College Football Discussion - Franklin to Virginia Tech

[Kerb Hohl]

Now there's pushback saying the qb was promised 100k and wasn't paid. So who knows which side is the truth. A giant mess

Obviously who knows who is telling the truth, but they're claiming they paid him and there are stories he had hired an agent. But obviously still could be lies.

[ReasonablySober]

Thamel:

Former UNLV QB Matthew Sluka’s NIL representation, Marcus Cromartie of Equity Sports, told ESPN that Sluka was verbally promised a minimum of $100,000 from a UNLV assistant coach for transferring there. None of that money was paid, per Cormartie.

Once Sluka enrolled there, there was no effort by the UNLV’s collective to formalize a contract at that amount. Months after Sluka enrolled and Cormartie made multiple efforts with the staff and school to address the issue.

He said the school and collective came back with a contract of $3,000 per month for the next four months. That’s $88,000 less than what Cromartie said UNLV verbally promised up front.

The only money Sluka has received from UNLV, per Cromartie, is a $3,000 re-location stipend for his move. Cromartie said there was never an ask for more money after UNLV's hot start, only the initial amount he was promised up front.

When that didn’t come, he evaluated his options and decided play elsewhere next year. The redshirt will allow him to play a full spring at a new school and develop with a trainer this fall. He enrolled in July at UNLV after graduating from Holy Cross and missed spring.

Good for the kid. I'd be telling UNLV to piss off too.

[MVP2110]

Someone here is the bad guy, but with conflicting stories it's impossible to know which side is truly in the wrong

[Kerb Hohl]

Marcus Cromartie mention!

[ReasonablySober]

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This is the Jaden Rashada situation on a much smaller scale.

[MVP2110]

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This is the Jaden Rashada situation on a much smaller scale.

I don't think we can really say for certain what happened here. This certainly wouldn't be the first time a school didn't pay a kid what they said they would. But also given the AJ Storr situation from this past basketball season it wouldn't be the first time a player was marketing himself around during the season either to try and make more $. Regardless of which side is truly in the wrong this whole thing is a big mess and a perfect example of players and schools should sign contracts to guard against either side backing out of their agreement

[Kerb Hohl]

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This is the Jaden Rashada situation on a much smaller scale.

I don't think we can really say for certain what happened here. This certainly wouldn't be the first time a school didn't pay a kid what they said they would. But also given the AJ Storr situation from this past basketball season it wouldn't be the first time a player was marketing himself around during the season either to try and make more $. Regardless of which side is truly in the wrong this whole thing is a big mess and a perfect example of players and schools should sign contracts to guard against either side backing out of their agreement

This is one good reason to have the contracts, but the problem is going to have to get much, much worse for everyone to want to put that in place.

Because right now it is perfect for almost everyone. The only ones currently getting screwed are the non-top 20 schools (translation: nobody cares) and maybe a handful of players.

[ReasonablySober]

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This is the Jaden Rashada situation on a much smaller scale.

I don't think we can really say for certain what happened here. This certainly wouldn't be the first time a school didn't pay a kid what they said they would. But also given the AJ Storr situation from this past basketball season it wouldn't be the first time a player was marketing himself around during the season either to try and make more $. Regardless of which side is truly in the wrong this whole thing is a big mess and a perfect example of players and schools should sign contracts to guard against either side backing out of their agreement

This is one good reason to have the contracts, but the problem is going to have to get much, much worse for everyone to want to put that in place.

Because right now it is perfect for almost everyone. The only ones currently getting screwed are the non-top 20 schools (translation: nobody cares) and maybe a handful of players.

Do you want a list of high profile players bailing on schools like Florida, Oklahoma, and Alabama?

It's happening to literally everyone.

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Yup.

[Kerb Hohl]

I don't think we can really say for certain what happened here. This certainly wouldn't be the first time a school didn't pay a kid what they said they would. But also given the AJ Storr situation from this past basketball season it wouldn't be the first time a player was marketing himself around during the season either to try and make more $. Regardless of which side is truly in the wrong this whole thing is a big mess and a perfect example of players and schools should sign contracts to guard against either side backing out of their agreement

This is one good reason to have the contracts, but the problem is going to have to get much, much worse for everyone to want to put that in place.

Because right now it is perfect for almost everyone. The only ones currently getting screwed are the non-top 20 schools (translation: nobody cares) and maybe a handful of players.

Do you want a list of high profile players bailing on schools like Florida, Oklahoma, and Alabama?

It's happening to literally everyone.

But most of those guys are still cashing in elsewhere and the schools are still buying elite players. So everyone is happy.

[MikeIsGood]

Thamel:

Spoiler:

Former UNLV QB Matthew Sluka’s NIL representation, Marcus Cromartie of Equity Sports, told ESPN that Sluka was verbally promised a minimum of $100,000 from a UNLV assistant coach for transferring there. None of that money was paid, per Cormartie.

Once Sluka enrolled there, there was no effort by the UNLV’s collective to formalize a contract at that amount. Months after Sluka enrolled and Cormartie made multiple efforts with the staff and school to address the issue.

He said the school and collective came back with a contract of $3,000 per month for the next four months. That’s $88,000 less than what Cromartie said UNLV verbally promised up front.

The only money Sluka has received from UNLV, per Cromartie, is a $3,000 re-location stipend for his move. Cromartie said there was never an ask for more money after UNLV's hot start, only the initial amount he was promised up front.

When that didn’t come, he evaluated his options and decided play elsewhere next year. The redshirt will allow him to play a full spring at a new school and develop with a trainer this fall. He enrolled in July at UNLV after graduating from Holy Cross and missed spring.

Good for the kid. I'd be telling UNLV to piss off too.

100% same if this is true. I think it's notable though that the source is his new NIL agent.

In either case, it doesn't change how much I **** hate all of this. It's really disenchanting - and maybe for the best, but can save that part of the discussion for another day.

Between all of this crap, travel (for me), and the state of the UW program in the grand scheme of things, my dad and I are considering ditching our football tickets. Which just feels ****.

[ReasonablySober]

There really does need to be some regulation here, and the current deal negotiated with the NCAA ain't it.

[Kerb Hohl]

There really does need to be some regulation here, and the current deal negotiated with the NCAA ain't it.

It would take the federal government and (probably?) only the federal government, which everyone yas queen'ed when Charles Barkley made fun of the idea last year. Or some major players getting torched. Otherwise, it ain't happening.

[ReasonablySober]

There really does need to be some regulation here, and the current deal negotiated with the NCAA ain't it.

It would take the federal government and (probably?) only the federal government, which everyone yas queen'ed when Charles Barkley made fun of the idea last year. Or some major players getting torched. Otherwise, it ain't happening.

You're crazy if you think this isn't driving current coaches at Alabama and Oklahoma insane. Just look at what Venables had to say this week. Saban up and quit over NIL. Bama lost a likely top five pick and their replacement was a Hunter Wohler level guy.

Nobody in power wants this current reality. The system works for no one.

[Kerb Hohl]

There really does need to be some regulation here, and the current deal negotiated with the NCAA ain't it.

It would take the federal government and (probably?) only the federal government, which everyone yas queen'ed when Charles Barkley made fun of the idea last year. Or some major players getting torched. Otherwise, it ain't happening.

You're crazy if you think this isn't driving current coaches at Alabama and Oklahoma insane. Just look at what Venables had to say this week. Saban up and quit over NIL. Bama lost a likely top five pick and their replacement was a Hunter Wohler level guy.

Nobody in power wants this current reality. The system works for no one.

We had this argument last year and for the life of me I don't get it.

The Yankees occasionally lose a free agent. But the system absolutely **** rules for them because they get the good/better guys 90% of the time.

You're saying the Yankees should ask for a hard salary cap because in theory Juan Soto left and they hoped he'd stay?

Any rules that Alabama agrees to will still allow them to heavily dominate the landscape. Otherwise, this is their best possible way to operate and they're not going to come to the table, therefore, nothing changes because these teams run the sport.

[ReasonablySober]

It would take the federal government and (probably?) only the federal government, which everyone yas queen'ed when Charles Barkley made fun of the idea last year. Or some major players getting torched. Otherwise, it ain't happening.

You're crazy if you think this isn't driving current coaches at Alabama and Oklahoma insane. Just look at what Venables had to say this week. Saban up and quit over NIL. Bama lost a likely top five pick and their replacement was a Hunter Wohler level guy.

Nobody in power wants this current reality. The system works for no one.

We had this argument last year and for the life of me I don't get it.

The Yankees occasionally lose a free agent. But the system absolutely **** rules for them because they get the good/better guys 90% of the time.

You're saying the Yankees should ask for a hard salary cap because in theory Juan Soto left and they hoped he'd stay?

What don't you understand about parity and leveling the playing field? Alabama thrived pre-NIL. Occasionally you'd have a challenger like Clemson pop up or an Auburn when Cam Newton arrived.

NIL allowed deep pocket boosters at other programs to get in the game. You think it's a coincidence that all of the sudden Miami is back? They bought the best QB on the transfer market and two new lines. Or that Michigan has finally won after years of being a joke? They've got some of the deepest pockets in college football. Tennessee is now a massive spending juggernaut. That doesn't happen in 2019.

NIL has woken sleeping giants.

[MVP2110]

Fwiw this UNLV beat writer says that the player is the one who backed out, not the player. Where the truth lies, who knows

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[humanrefutation]

These top programs were paying players for years. Now it's just above board, and now everyone wants a piece. Which is how it should be.

I don't think you can institute a cap of any sort without a CBA, which requires a players union. Otherwise it's a flagrant violation of antitrust law.

However, as programs continue to navigate these growing pains, I think everyone is going to get sick of the lack of any kind of consistency and predictability from year to year. Even bigger programs will get frustrated by it.

At the end of the day, we're going to get to a place where there's two gigantic conferences - B1G and SEC - who join under one umbrella (ala AFL and NFL) and they'll all pool the revenue and split it in exchange for a cap. The players will unionize. You'll get a CBA. And that'll be that.

[Kerb Hohl]

You're crazy if you think this isn't driving current coaches at Alabama and Oklahoma insane. Just look at what Venables had to say this week. Saban up and quit over NIL. Bama lost a likely top five pick and their replacement was a Hunter Wohler level guy.

Nobody in power wants this current reality. The system works for no one.

We had this argument last year and for the life of me I don't get it.

The Yankees occasionally lose a free agent. But the system absolutely **** rules for them because they get the good/better guys 90% of the time.

You're saying the Yankees should ask for a hard salary cap because in theory Juan Soto left and they hoped he'd stay?

What don't you understand about parity and leveling the playing field? Alabama thrived pre-NIL. Occasionally you'd have a challenger like Clemson pop up or an Auburn when Cam Newton arrived.

NIL allowed deep pocket boosters at other programs to get in the game. You think it's a coincidence that all of the sudden Miami is back? They bought the best QB on the transfer market and two new lines. Or that Michigan has finally won after years of being a joke? They've got some of the deepest pockets in college football. Tennessee is now a massive spending juggernaut. That doesn't happen in 2019.

NIL has woken sleeping giants.

I mean it seems like nothing has changed to me. There's 5-10 absolute rocket powerhouse teams and they're brand names and have always been paying players, now they can do it easier. The people that like making money are happy about it.

Georgia dominated just before NIL and still look dominant.

Yeah, maybe it woke up some sleeping giants but those sleeping giants make money and therefore the system will remain the same because the teams with money are winning, kind of like before, just with slightly different teams at times.

Whether the other teams in the mix are Miami because they're paying a bunch of money or Wisconsin because they develop players well probably doesn't matter much.

[MikeIsGood]

Statement from UNLV's NIL collective. TLDR we never agreed to $100k in the first place, and did uphold everything we agreed to.

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