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Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October

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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#881 » by drsd » Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:22 pm

Knightro wrote:I'm very confident the following 9 players will, if healthy, open the season in the rotation...

Suggs, KCP, Franz, Paolo, Carter
Cole, Harris, Isaac, Moritz

The only question for me is the 10th spot. I think it's either Black in a three-guard situation or it's TDS as the backup SF. I don't believe Jett or Caleb are in the mix for a rotation spot right now.

If any of Suggs/KCP/Cole/Gary miss games, Black gets the minutes

If any of Franz/Paolo/Isaac miss games, TDS gets the minutes

If either of Carter/Moritz miss games, Goga gets the minutes

If multiple of Suggs/KCP/Cole/Gary miss games or Black is unavailable, Jett would get the minutes

If multiple of Franz/Paolo/Isaac miss games or TDS is unavailable, Caleb would get the minutes

Etc.



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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#882 » by RookieStar » Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:42 pm

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T-Cat wrote:
I'm sorry but JI defense is too valuable to having him come off the bench! Too many games last season we gotta play catch up because of the lack of interior defense.


Are you that confident that JI can handle 30+ minutes of a regular NBA season grind and not suffer from either injuries or production-drop in defense?


Yes! He's been working on his game all off season and I don't see why he would play 30 plus minutes because of our depth! I expect him to play all 82 games if we play him 20-25 minutes a game. Same goes for Suggs, Paolo and others...no need to play guys major minutes throughout season because we need them fresh for playoffs.


Well im glad someone here has the confidence that JI can withstand an 82-game RS. As for me, Im fine with his 20mins plus PT and just sic him to the opponents best player. No need for hum to be the starting C and letting him get bumped and bruised downlow all the time. It just tempting the basketball gods.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#883 » by Residual-Heat » Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:44 pm

I see a lot people saying Paolo, Franz and Suggs need to do this or that for the team to improve offensively, but what about Mosley? There are other ways to improve our offense than just player improvment, and this comes down to Mosley.

We're so young and athletic, we should be scoring more in transition. KCP should help a little with that.

We dont really expose mismatches for players other than Franz and Paolo. You got a 270 pound center in WCJ, perhaps you could use him when he's being guarded by a 210 lb center instead of telling him to sit and wait at the 3pt line?

Maybe you emphasize more ball and player movement?

I expect Suggs to improve again offensively. I expect Paolo to improve a little bit. I expect Franz to shoot better. I expect KCP to improve our transition offense and just all around upgrade over Harris. I expect Da Silva to get minutes sooner than later. I expect Black and Jett to improve. But Mosley needs to improve as well. All of that combined, plus maybe a Cole Anthony upgrade can make us a much better offensive team.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#884 » by SOUL » Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:03 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:I see a lot people saying Paolo, Franz and Suggs need to do this or that for the team to improve offensively, but what about Mosley? There are other ways to improve our offense than just player improvment, and this comes down to Mosley.

We're so young and athletic, we should be scoring more in transition. KCP should help a little with that.

We dont really expose mismatches for players other than Franz and Paolo. You got a 270 pound center in WCJ, perhaps you could use him when he's being guarded by a 210 lb center instead of telling him to sit and wait at the 3pt line?

Maybe you emphasize more ball and player movement? Instead of standing around.

I expect Suggs to improve again offensively. I expect Paolo to improve a little bit. I expect Franz to shoot better. I expect KCP to improve our transition offense and just all around upgrade over Harris. I expect Da Silva to get minutes sooner than later. I expect Black and Jett to improve. But Mosley needs to improve as well. All of that combined, plus maybe a Cole Anthony upgrade can make us a much better offensive team.


Everybody has to improve year-to-year, including FO, coaching, (assistant coaching as well). Basically a full team effort. Mazzulla had a 100 page thread on him on the Celtics forum with people killing him all year, and now they've completely changed their tune on him. Dallas fans suddenly don't want to fire Kidd anymore. It's really all about the players at the end of the day because they're who make their coaches look good or not. As long as you don't have a trash can, totally-out-of-their-depth coach, there's small things teams can do, but let's be honest, most teams are running variations of the same stuff with wildly different personnel. The hardest part is making your team have an identity, which we have, so now comes a lot of the smaller things we want to see out of Mose and the team.

Not sure about the WCJ stuff though, seems like the smallest thing to really bring up considering there are not many scenarios where WCJ is just some dominant inside force against some way smaller guy. I mean, sure? But for the most part, it's better for WCJ to be at the three point line while Franz has a lane considering he's a way better finisher. If any of our guys have some guy sealed off and an easy paint touch, our players should instinctively throw it inside, but not everyone has the vision either.

I agree about KCP though, his stats show he's a great transition player. I think he'll also bring a lot more movement considering Harris isn't really that sort of guy. I think posters underestimate how much plays are done/not done because of personnel, not because the coaches don't want to do it.

We used to run that back-cut pass on the baseline to Ross where he would dunk it (after the defender turns his head at the three point line), and also run him off of a bunch of curls so get a shot, where a lot would even be decently contested, but he got up so damn high it didn't matter. Didn't run any of that for Gary because he's not that player.

A lot of players are getting packages that they're comfortable with, and hopefully season by season they add to it.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#885 » by drsd » Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:03 am

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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#886 » by MasterGMer » Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:42 am

i haven't seem much discussion here: Is Franz Wagner a talented and underrated defender on this Magic team?

JI is certainly the best defender on this team. But so is Suggs and AB plus maybe Franz. I like the makeup of our young talent. Our identity is Magic's defense.

Can't wait to see it in person!
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#887 » by basketballRob » Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:16 pm

Knightro wrote:I'm very confident the following 9 players will, if healthy, open the season in the rotation...

Suggs, KCP, Franz, Paolo, Carter
Cole, Harris, Isaac, Moritz

The only question for me is the 10th spot. I think it's either Black in a three-guard situation or it's TDS as the backup SF. I don't believe Jett or Caleb are in the mix for a rotation spot right now.

If any of Suggs/KCP/Cole/Gary miss games, Black gets the minutes

If any of Franz/Paolo/Isaac miss games, TDS gets the minutes

If either of Carter/Moritz miss games, Goga gets the minutes

If multiple of Suggs/KCP/Cole/Gary miss games or Black is unavailable, Jett would get the minutes

If multiple of Franz/Paolo/Isaac miss games or TDS is unavailable, Caleb would get the minutes

Etc.
I think TDS will be the 10th player. I'm sure there will be injuries, and Caleb, Goga, and AB will all get minutes. Goga is our 8th highest paid player, so I don't think they'll hide him on the bench this season.



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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#888 » by eyriq » Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:42 pm

MasterGMer wrote:i haven't seem much discussion here: Is Franz Wagner a talented and underrated defender on this Magic team?

JI is certainly the best defender on this team. But so is Suggs and AB plus maybe Franz. I like the makeup of our young talent. Our identity is Magic's defense.

Can't wait to see it in person!
I think Franz is our second best defender, behind JI.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#889 » by Skybox » Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:06 pm

eyriq wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:i haven't seem much discussion here: Is Franz Wagner a talented and underrated defender on this Magic team?

JI is certainly the best defender on this team. But so is Suggs and AB plus maybe Franz. I like the makeup of our young talent. Our identity is Magic's defense.

Can't wait to see it in person!
I think Franz is our second best defender, behind JI.


I think the world (including All-Defensive Team voters) will disagree with you about Suggs' spot in the defensive pecking order.

I'm glad that Franz is a capable defender, but Suggs and KCP (historically at least) are on another level, IMO. Isaac is generational and, if he can stay healthy and ORL wins enough to be visible nationally...should be a perennial DPOY contender.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#890 » by eyriq » Thu Sep 26, 2024 4:36 pm

My takes:

JI should start at center
Franz is our second best defender
AB is our backup PG
Cole will be traded and replaced by Jett
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#891 » by Knightro » Thu Sep 26, 2024 4:41 pm

eyriq wrote:My takes:

JI should start at center
Franz is our second best defender
AB is our backup PG
Cole will be traded and replaced by Jett


0/4.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#892 » by zaymon » Thu Sep 26, 2024 4:44 pm

If i want someone to torture opposing player all game i choose Suggs. If i want to stop one last play i choose Franz. He is much more disciplined and sticks to plan. Jalen improvises a lot but makes a lot of mistakes, is too aggressive for his own good.

I am not so sure about Cole/Gary backcourt. Cole was losing his role and minutes, played especially bad without Inles when he had more on ball responsibilities. I expect more of the same this year. He wont become smarter and its a must in todays nba.
I predict he will lose his minutes before allstar break if he gets any.
I love Gary Harris but i am not so sure he will play from the start. I think we can save him for playoffs and until then he will be in more of a mentor role unless our young projects sucks.
Black/Howard/DaSilva is the most logical lineup overall.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#893 » by eyriq » Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:05 pm

zaymon wrote:If i want someone to torture opposing player all game i choose Suggs. If i want to stop one last play i choose Franz. He is much more disciplined and sticks to plan. Jalen improvises a lot but makes a lot of mistakes, is too aggressive for his own good.

I am not so sure about Cole/Gary backcourt. Cole was losing his role and minutes, played especially bad without Inles when he had more on ball responsibilities. I expect more of the same this year. He wont become smarter and its a must in todays nba.
I predict he will lose his minutes before allstar break if he gets any.
I love Gary Harris but i am not so sure he will play from the start. I think we can save him for playoffs and until then he will be in more of a mentor role unless our young projects sucks.
Black/Howard/DaSilva is the most logical lineup overall.
Bingo. Cole, Harris, and WCJ are all trending in the wrong direction, AB, JI, and Jett in the right direction. How soon the changes are implemented is the only question, not whether or not we'll see the changes.

Cole lost minutes consistently as the season went on and dramatically in the playoffs. He's a mid-range playmaker and undersized, while we need a three-point specialist.

Harris lost the starting job, earned it back, was replaced in the off-season, and took a massive pay cut.

Jett is a three-point specialist that we desperately need.

AB is a 6'8 point guard that is already elite defensively, shot 39% from 3, is terrific at getting to the line, has great off-ball IQ, and was a great playmaker in college.

JI took WCJ's starting job and is our most impactful per minute player, and has been training as a center for over a year now.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#894 » by VFX » Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:41 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:My takes:

JI should start at center
Franz is our second best defender
AB is our backup PG
Cole will be traded and replaced by Jett


0/4.


:lol:

Seems like a lot of wishful thinking.

1- JI cannot be starting due to limitations concerning his injury history. He's more valuable as a backup PF considering the roster is without another one unless you do mental gymnastics with other players. Even then, JI is a little rich as a backup PF considering his contract and his maximum potential for minutes behind Orlando's 35mpg+ allstar. The Magic probably shouldn't be paying 3 Centers to sit on the bench if JI started.

2- Suggs and JI are Orlando's first and second best defenders on the team. Franz is third, maybe fourth by the end of the season depending on where AB or TDS land.

3- Cole Anthony exists on the roster despite what half this forum thinks. So no.

4- Why would Orlando's backup point guard be replaced with a 6'8 SG/SF? They aren't even competing for the same roster spot.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#895 » by Skybox » Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:56 pm

I've got a couple...

- da Silva will play more minutes this season than AB, Houstan, or Jett...maybe all combined. This isn't a terrible knock on them, TdS's just entering the NBA with a skillset and maturity that is ready to plug right in to our rotation.
- AB is our backup PG...but we don't have a starter so he'll be waiting a while to be subbed in :lol:
- I like JI getting some minutes at C...but we have THREE capable Centers under contract. I think Goga has another level coming...not likely, imo, as a high-level starter, but he could be on par with WCJ pretty soon and a significantly better defender than Mo. I believe that IND had him pegged as a floor-spreader but it didn't really gain any traction - that may still be a thing we could see.
- Franz & Paolo will both add 1.5 more assists per game, largely because we'll have fewer non-shooters on the roster, so this could happen with very little "development" on Franz & Paolo's part. I think the idea that their versatile skill sets make a PG unnecessary will hit some kind of wall by the trade deadline...it can work, but only take you so far. If Cole or AB haven't taken a big step (in terms of initiating offense for themselves & others), I'll expect a trade and one or both of them could be on the move. We'll have to keep an eye on what other teams struggle to see who might be likely acquisitions...not necessarily elite starting PG's - but maybe.
-Our defense will be top 3 (barring significant injuries) but we'll still be fighting for a solid playoff slot and out of the play-in unless our offense takes some miraculous turn for the better (miraculous because we haven't really addressed it this summer).
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#896 » by anothermagicfan » Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:48 pm

I think in this upcoming season that TDS will be among the top 6 or 7 in total minutes played for the magic
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#897 » by DiplomaticMagic » Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:48 pm

Just saw ESPN lay off Zach Lowe, what a complete joke!!!

ESPN clearly doesnt care about insight or knowledge. IMO ESPN, is a big reason why the sport is held back. They have such a large chunk of NBA coverage with marquee games, playoffs, finals and draft and when you tune in, you have clowns like Kendrick Perkins and Stephen A Smith on tv instead of any intelligence. I hope NBA on NBC hits and has good analysts. Because ESPN is literally trash.
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#898 » by fendilim » Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:54 pm

Lol not magic related but ag seriously has to stop smoking




He’s not good enough to begin with lol. Never was
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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#899 » by fendilim » Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:54 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Just saw ESPN lay off Zach Lowe, what a complete joke!!!

ESPN clearly doesnt care about insight or knowledge. IMO ESPN, is a big reason why the sport is held back. They have such a large chunk of NBA coverage with marquee games, playoffs, finals and draft and when you tune in, you have clowns like Kendrick Perkins and Stephen A Smith on tv instead of any intelligence. I hope NBA on NBC hits and has good analysts. Because ESPN is literally trash.

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Re: Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October 

Post#900 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Sep 27, 2024 1:47 am

fendilim wrote:Lol not magic related but ag seriously has to stop smoking




He’s not good enough to begin with lol. Never was


May not be good enough to be a star, but was a solid NBA starter on a championship team.
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