OT: Clinton or Bush?

[Pointgod]

Do you feel the US should cut all ties with Saudi Arabia?

yes

If the U.S. completely leaves the Middle East and their allies do you believe that:

1. The countries in conflict deescalate and the region becomes stable
2. The situation gets worse for everyone, especially civilians
3. Don’t give a **** as long as all US government and business interests leave the region

[Luv those Knicks]

I forget who I had this conversation with, and I don't feel like digging it up, but somebody pointed out to me that "power corrupts" and "how could I not know that", to which I replied, ofcourse I know that That wasn't my point. I even said that questioning government was fine . . . so, that happened. I, in a general sense, defended government without completely and entirely absolving government of any and all things.

I don't think power corrupts

I think unchecked power corrupts. At least it can tempt. Our system is full of checks and balances and opposition parties. That was the founding father's intent, well, the checks and balances anyway. They didn't anticipate political parties.

I think power reveals. That's a quote from someone, is that when you get power, you find out what you wanted to do the whole time. It's just that the people who tend to be corrupt also tend to accumulate power.

Power corrupts is the quote, but power reveals might be more accurate. Like how Trump promised to go after WallStreet, but once he was in office, he only did them favors. Revealing his true intension

As for accumulating power. I don't know. That's a whole different conversation. What percentage of people in power do you think are corrupt vs sincere public servants? I'm sure there are skeptics out there who'll say that 98% are corrupt, but I don't think it's that high. There are also levels of corruption,

Like I said with W Bush. I don't think he went into Iraq because he was corrupt. I think he went in because he believed it was the right thing to do. You can call him wrong for doing that, but I don't think you can call him corrupt. If you want to call Cheney corrupt, then, I won't argue with you. I mostly agree with that assessment.

You could say Trump was corrupt, going buddy-buddy with Putin or not giving any sanctions against the saudis, because he had personal things to gain there. Obama wasn't corrupt for supporting the rebellion against Gaddafi or considering stronger support for Syria, because he had nothing to personally gain from those actions, that was just him doing what he thought was right. Or in the case of Syria, not entirely sure how to respond. Corruption is more self serving (see Trump). You can call Obama wrong, but I don't think anything he did on the international stage was corrupt.

Cheney was also a more traditional power pursuit that you describe. W. Bush was kind of lucky. He road the red-wave over Ann Richards, despite being advised not to run for Gov. then he had better people working for him and he upset McCain. I don't think Bush did any of that himself. I think it wsa Karl Rove who toppled McCain.

Obama's another one. A fast riser who ran for president at the right time and was instantly popular. That's not the traditional way to seek power, but maybe president is different. It's about wining the popularity contest. Biden got into office step by step, but W, Obama, Trump all didn't, they kind of caught fire, but as I said, maybe the president isn't the best example the traditional corrupt power seeker. It seems to be part luck and running at the right time.

anyway, I worry that I'm kind of going on and on, I welcome disagreement or correction.

[Pointgod]

I think it is that simple.

They aren't a major strategic US ally anymore. We don't need to be in that area any longer. It's just making more countries turn to China and Russia.

We just have war-mongering politicians and/or politicians bought out by a foreign lobby + "defense companies". They are fiending for another great war in the middle east. I guess they didn't make enough money from Afghanistan or Iraq.

Israel is fully capable defending itself. We know that. But if they want to go to war with multiple surrounding countries, that's 100% their problem.

Do you feel the US should cut all ties with Saudi Arabia? Another strategic U.S. ally in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia leadership has committed a lot of atrocities including:
- killing hundreds of thousands over civilians in a decade long war
-escalating a proxy war with Iran
-murdering a U.S. based journalist with a bone saw because he criticized the crown prince

I could go on. The point isn’t whataboutism, but to point out that being an influential and powerful ally lets you get away with a ton of ****. If the U.S. were to abandon the allies in the Middle East then imagine Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia all unrestrained, except this time influenced by China and Russia. It’s not an answer most left leaning people like but sometimes the choice is between the bad guy and the worse guy. Like Mr Dollarbills said, it’s highly complicated and complex. We know for a fact Saudi Arabia helped prevent a terrorist attack against the U.S. Israel had a spy in ISIS who Trump probably got killed. Don’t assume that getting out of the Middle East means there wont be impacts on people in the U.S. or it’s even better for the region.

Yeah this sums up what I was going to say way better. Geopolitical alliances and agreements are not a simple, black and white matter. Everyone has red on their ledgers, especially us. It doesn't make anything right, but that's the reality of the situation. We're not allies with Israel and the Saudis because we share common values or because we like their governing bodies. All of these alliances are strategic relationships of give and take, with moving parts involved that honestly I'm not even qualified to speak on.

We've been seeing the same song and dance between the Israelis and Palestinians our entire lifetimes. I would dare say that the Israelis might have already completely massacred the Palestinians by now if it wasn't for the fact that it wouldn't fly with Washington under sane leadership, which is why Bibi is desperate for Trump to regain power. It's not a coincidence that the relationship between us and Bibi has been contentious under Democrat leadership. Bibi was absolutely racist towards Obama for supporting a 2 State solution and he has been a massive pain in Biden's ass throughout this entire ordeal.

If this was a simple matter, it would have been solved a long time ago.

Because everyone has the memory of a gold fish there’s a direct line between Trump ripping up the Iran deal, completely cutting out Palestinians and moving the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem and the current escalation in conflict we see today.

Actions have consequences and all of the people who voted third party or sat out should realize elections have consequences and Trump becoming President did unmeasurable damage to foreign policy.

[Stannis]

Do you feel the US should cut all ties with Saudi Arabia?

yes

If the U.S. completely leaves the Middle East and their allies do you believe that:

1. The countries in conflict deescalate and the region becomes stable
2. The situation gets worse for everyone, especially civilians
3. Don’t give a **** as long as all US government and business interests leave the region

I feel like I'm derailing this thread so I can talk with you more on the CA board if you like.

I'm not sure if you are asking 3 questions or asking me to pick one of your options.

But... I don't know what will happen in that region. But I don't think it matters for the USA. This idea that the middle east needs western powers in there is just war-mongering, imho.

I do know that we spent 2 trillion dollars and 20 years in Afghanistan, 2500 soldiers, and lost. And the Taliban ended up taking over anyways. Disclosure, I respect Biden pulling out and think it was the best thing he's done as POTUS. But all that will be undone if we just go to war with Lebanon + Iran. And reading my news feed, it's looking that way.

[Luv those Knicks]

Because everyone has the memory of a gold fish there’s a direct line between Trump ripping up the Iran deal, completely cutting out Palestinians and moving the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem and the current escalation in conflict we see today.

Actions have consequences and all of the people who voted third party or sat out should realize elections have consequences and Trump becoming President did unmeasurable damage to foreign policy.

I understand the alure of the 3rd party, and I love it that you're trashing Trump. I don't know that Trump tearing up the Iran deal was any better than Obama making it in the first place. I tend to think it was worse, but I'm not well read enough to know.

I also think (not your quote but ones before you) that Saudi Arabia is a very questionable ally. But where I disagree with you is any implication that a 3rd party would somehow be better.

Israel and Hammas would still be at each other's throats, non-interventionist 3rd party or no.

If the US is involved, the US can act as a deterrent, to a degree. If the US is non-interventionist, we can't. Some people might think that's better, but I'm not convinced. Do you remember what happened when Trump pulled troops out of Syria? Erdogan began a genocide against the Kurds. Trump had to reverse his decision in days. Erdogan promised Trump that he'd leave them in peace. It was an lie, but Trump bought it and that's an example of what a moron Trump is. The Kurds might not be popular in that region, but if they didn't have US troops to support them, they'd probably all be killed. So, I guess it depends on what you consider important. I don't think the US is the "bad guy" in Syria. The Kurds are fighting Isis. They're the only ones pointing guns at Isis and shooting.

I don't think international politics is simple. It's a giant mess. Sometimes nations get away with stuff, like that time Saudi Arabia killed the Turkish Washington post journalist (Tried to say it wasn't them because the assassin wore a false mustache, but it was obviously them) or the killing of over 100 foreign nationals, or the support for Yemen against the Houthis. Mostly the US will issue sanctions, not get directly involved. Saudi Arabia sometimes gets a free pass. Trump gave them a free pass so he could build a hotel there. what a guy.

But I'm not convinced that a 3rd party non-intervention strategy would make things better.

[Luv those Knicks]

If the U.S. completely leaves the Middle East and their allies do you believe that:

1. The countries in conflict deescalate and the region becomes stable
2. The situation gets worse for everyone, especially civilians
3. Don’t give a **** as long as all US government and business interests leave the region

I feel like I'm derailing this thread so I can talk with you more on the CA board if you like.

I'm not sure if you are asking 3 questions or asking me to pick one of your options.

But... I don't know what will happen in that region. But I don't think it matters for the USA. This idea that the middle east needs western powers in there is just war-mongering, imho.

I do know that we spent 2 trillion dollars and 20 years in Afghanistan, 2500 soldiers, and lost. And the Taliban ended up taking over anyways. Disclosure, I respect Biden pulling out and think it was the best thing he's done as POTUS. But all that will be undone if we just go to war with Lebanon + Iran. And reading my news feed, it's looking that way.

I think derailing this thread is a good thing. Only so much can be said about the gunman and Trump and I've derailed this thread as well, It's general all purpose international politics now - so, why not.

I also don't care for teh CA board, but go there if you want. I might not follow.

I think Pointgod is asking the right questions, but those aren't easy to answer, I don't know what would happen, but I think de-escallation is unlikely. Those nations don't exactly get along with or without US intervention.

A war in the middle east, a big one would affect oil exports. We're not big oil buyers from the middle east, but the prices would go up everywhere because it's a global comodity, just as how the price for oil went up when the Ukrain war started. A spike in oil prices would cause inflation and well, presidents don't like inflation, so that's one thing that could happen. I don't think the US has a ton of business interests in the middle east, it's more about the stability of the price of oil and concerns about terrorist organizations like Isis which are often funded by middle east oil. Those are the 2 major concerns as I see it.

Would those 2 things be better (less terrorism / more oil price stability) if the US pulls out of the middle east completely? My guess is probably not, at least, not initially. In 10 or 15 years would those things be better? Would Isis become weaker in time if the US pulls out? Maybe, but I don't think anyone can say with any confidence.

[Stannis]

I think derailing this thread is a good thing. Only so much can be said about the gunman and Trump and I've derailed this thread as well, It's general all purpose international politics now - so, why not.

I think Pointgod is asking the right questions, but those aren't easy to answer, I don't know what would happen, but I think de-escallation is unlikely. Those nations don't exactly get along with or without US intervention.

A war in the middle east, a big one would affect oil exports. We're not big oil buyers from the middle east, but the prices would go up everywhere because it's a global comodity, just as how the price for oil went up when the Ukrain war started. A spike in oil prices would cause inflation and well, presidents don't like inflation, so that's one thing that could happen. I don't think the US has a ton of business interests in the middle east, it's more about the stability of the price of oil and concerns about terrorist organizations like Isis which are often funded by middle east oil. Those are the 2 major concerns as I see it.

Would those 2 things be better (less terrorism / more oil price stability) if the US pulls out of the middle east completely? My guess is probably not, at least, not initially. In 10 or 15 years would those things be better? Would Isis become weaker in time if the US pulls out? Maybe, but I don't think anyone can say with any confidence.

I'll let our men in blue decide if this is a all purpose politics thread lol

So to address your questions and points... ok more like a rant so putting it in spoilers

Spoiler:

I think we are focusing too much on would could or could not happen if the USA leaves the Middle East. And not on actually what USA is actually accomplishing or have accomplished.

So far, they have been on a long losing streak. On paper, it might be a "W" in that we killed more people and caused a lot of destruction. But did we defeat "terrorism" or just create more terrorists + extremists? Why is it that there's usually a civil war after we invade/bomb these nations?

Libya, Yemen, Syria, etc. Are these places better since the USA got involved? I don't think so.

In lot of cases, we've seen cases of unity between these Muslim nations and sometimes even between Sunni and Shia sects (like when they did the oil embargoes in the 70s), but once the USA gets involved, it turns into a **** again.

Yeah, I get if we leave and no longer influence some of these Middle East governments, we get higher gas prices. But to me, so be it? Since when is trading oil for blood ok? I'd like to think America is better than that. If they aren't, I want them to be because I still live here and I'm a citizen

And with all due respect, the people who keep responding "it's more complicated than that". To me, that just translates to "we gotta go into the Middle East and do fcked up **** so US citizens get to pay lower gas prices".

Now we got lunatics in office signing bombs, taking photos with war criminals , posting in on social media. WTF is this?

We already know there's a bunch of scandals and corruptions when it comes to foreign dealings. So anyways, yeah, I'm super skeptical when it comes to America and international affairs. It's about a lot of things, but I know peace isn't one of them.

This kind of globalization will work can work sometimes. Like the smaller Middle Eastern countries like Kuwait. Or with European countries like Bosnia and Kosovo. The people have to overwhelming welcome it. But there's a cultural clash if we are talking about large Islamic states in the East. You are just wasting your time or influencing them through bombs and fear.

Looking forward at what is happening now... going to war with these Shia Muslim countries would not be something I would want to do. No, I don't think they will defeat USA. But they'll fight harder than Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya. And it will be a bigger black hole sucking up more time and money. Dare I say, 10 times worse than Iraq + Afghanistan.

[Stannis]

For the native New Yorkers on here, what are your opinions on Eric Adams?

New York City Mayor Eric Adams indicted, two sources say
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/us/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-indicted/index.html

[Pointgod]

yes

If the U.S. completely leaves the Middle East and their allies do you believe that:

1. The countries in conflict deescalate and the region becomes stable
2. The situation gets worse for everyone, especially civilians
3. Don’t give a **** as long as all US government and business interests leave the region

I feel like I'm derailing this thread so I can talk with you more on the CA board if you like.

I'm not sure if you are asking 3 questions or asking me to pick one of your options.

But... I don't know what will happen in that region. But I don't think it matters for the USA. This idea that the middle east needs western powers in there is just war-mongering, imho.

I do know that we spent 2 trillion dollars and 20 years in Afghanistan, 2500 soldiers, and lost. And the Taliban ended up taking over anyways. Disclosure, I respect Biden pulling out and think it was the best thing he's done as POTUS. But all that will be undone if we just go to war with Lebanon + Iran. And reading my news feed, it's looking that way.

I’m banned from the CA board lol so our conversation won’t continue over there. And I get not derailing tbis thread so happy to leave this here. The only thing I’d say is that isolationism sounds good in abstract, but there are always unintended consequences of actions that end up being worse than outcomes you were hoping to prevent in the first place.

[Pointgod]

For the native New Yorkers on here, what are your opinions on Eric Adams?

New York City Mayor Eric Adams indicted, two sources say
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/us/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-indicted/index.html

Not a New Yorker but it just shows how Biden’s DOJ has been weaponized against nother Republican! Oh wait he’s a Democrat? Doesn’t matter Republicans will still lie and cry about being held accountable

[Luv those Knicks]

For the native New Yorkers on here, what are your opinions on Eric Adams?

New York City Mayor Eric Adams indicted, two sources say
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/us/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-indicted/index.html

Not a New Yorker but it just shows how Biden’s DOJ has been weaponized against nother Republican! Oh wait he’s a Democrat? Doesn’t matter Republicans will still lie and cry about being held accountable

I haven't read up on it yet, so I know nothing. I find it hard to believe he'd be charged if there's nothing there, but my impression of Adams is that he seems like a reasonable enough guy who cares about the city.

[Luv those Knicks]

I'll let our men in blue decide if this is a all purpose politics thread lol

So to address your questions and points...

I tried to keep the spoiler, but with all the quotes it kind of blew up - oh well.



I think we are focusing too much on would could or could not happen if the USA leaves the Middle East. And not on actually what USA is actually accomplishing or have accomplished.

So far, they have been on a long losing streak. On paper, it might be a "W" in that we killed more people and caused a lot of destruction. But did we defeat "terrorism" or just create more terrorists + extremists? Why is it that there's usually a civil war after we invade/bomb these nations?

So, you had to go there. You had to ask what's been accomplished . . I kid, of course. That's essential. You don't have to look too far back in history to see that America used to do good things. World War I and II, arguably. Standing up to the Russian aggression . . . arguably. But it gets harder to keep praising, you know. Vietnam was costly and of iffy benefit and everything you say about the middle east is true.

Did we accomplish anything in Afghanistan after 20 years? Maybe not. what about Iraq, again? Maybe made it worse, though I don't know that if Saddam was still there, if that would be better, but that doesn't make US involvement a win. Yes, good point. The history in the middle east isn't on our side. It's hard to argue that.

Libya, Yemen, Syria, etc. Are these places better since the USA got involved? I don't think so.

Libya is tricky. That was during the Arab spring. The revolt against Qaddafi was sizable and Qaddafi was bringing in foreign mercenaries and he had like 100,000 in prisons. Had Obama not gotten involved, it would have been a bloodbath. But getting involved, created an instability in the country? Was that better? I don't know. What's more, Obama doesn't know. I heard one of his aids talking about how that US military intervention changed him. He became less certain in using US military. Benghazi also happened, which may have cost Hillary the election. I still say it would have been a bloodbath without US intervention, but it wasn't pretty with US intervention. I don't know.

Syria, now this one, Trump pulled us out of Syria and it immediately got worse. A genocide started. It was so bad that Trump reversed his decision. So when you say "what good has the US done", just having a presence in Syria is saving lives. It is, and I know this because when that presence was removed, Kurds were massacred.

Don't know much about Yemen. Isn't that Saudi Arabia's war, not ours? But, I've not read up on it. The US is discouraging Saudi involvement, but not with very much force.

In lot of cases, we've seen cases of unity between these Muslim nations and sometimes even between Sunni and Shia sects (like when they did the oil embargoes in the 70s), but once the USA gets involved, it turns into a **** again.

Saddam was once the US's guy in Iraq. We put him there, so. . . that's on us for sure.

But how is that different than the Russian's backing Assad in Syria? He's their guy. Assad would have been thrown out if Syria had their way. Russia came to his support. Obama wasn't sure what to do. I think he wanted to go in and stand against Russia, but he know it was risky. He put the vote to congress, which, on the one hand, I respect, on the other hand, congress is a bunch of sellouts to whatever gets them votes, so I don't think they're reliable.

I'm not saying Obama should have sent support to the Syrian people to stand up against Russia and Assad, but I sometimes wish that had happened. Nobody wanted to stand up to Putin in 2014 or whenever this was. Now, just 9 or 10 years later, Europe can kick Putin's ass, well, he still has nukes, but army to army, Europe would wipe the floor with Putin. How things change . . . but I digress.

Did you hear about Russia's missile test? The missile didn't even get out of the ground. It blew up the silo. They're not doing well.

Yeah, I get if we leave and no longer influence some of these Middle East governments, we get higher gas prices. But to me, so be it? Since when is trading oil for blood ok? I'd like to think America is better than that. If they aren't, I want them to be because I still live here and I'm a citizen

You might be right. Do you remember what a big deal inflation was just a year or two ago? It wasn't nothing, but, even so, you mgiht be right. It's a tough thing for a president to let that happen on their watch, but I'll give you some points for this, for letting the chips fall where they may.

It's worth pointing out that the US wants stability, not war, so it's not exactly trading oil for blood, so much as trading being the hall monitor for steady oil prices. We're the worlds hall monitor . . . good for us. The US also wants to try to limit support for terrorists, so our presence in the middle east isn't without any benefit, but I hear your point.

And with all due respect, the people who keep responding "it's more complicated than that". To me, that just translates to "we gotta go into the Middle East and do fcked up **** so US citizens get to pay lower gas prices".

I'm going to disagree with you here. Lets go back to Obama. Obama went into Libya to get Qaddafi because he wanted to prevent a larger conflict. Libya lost stability when the government fell, there was a wave of immigration into Europe, Obama had 2nd thoughts and as a result, Obama was hesitant to go into Syria when their people tried to overthrow Assad and Russia stepped in to support Assad.

Obama would say it's complicated. Saying it's not complicated is not being honest. Libya and Syria aren't even oil nations, though I think Libya has some. saying it's complicated doesn't mean "lower gas prices" it means, it's a powder keg in several of those nations and terrorist groups can get a footing there. Knowing what to do isn't easy.

Now we got lunatics in office signing bombs, taking photos with war criminals , posting in on social media. WTF is this?

You've got me here. I don't know anything about this. I guess my current affairs knowledge is a bit dated.

We already know there's a bunch of scandals and corruptions when it comes to foreign dealings. So anyways, yeah, I'm super skeptical when it comes to America and international affairs. It's about a lot of things, but I know peace isn't one of them.

Examples?

I mean, the Trump whitehouse, sure. Biden? Obama? What scandals and corruptions? Don't say Hunter because he's nobody.

Are you talking about Snowden? US spying on everyone? Yeah, that happened. That wasn't a good look.

This kind of globalization will work can work sometimes. Like the smaller Middle Eastern countries like Kuwait. Or with European countries like Bosnia and Kosovo. The people have to overwhelming welcome it. But there's a cultural clash if we are talking about large Islamic states in the East. You are just wasting your time or influencing them through bombs and fear.

Looking forward at what is happening now... going to war with these Shia Muslim countries would not be something I would want to do. No, I don't think they will defeat USA. But they'll fight harder than Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya. And it will be a bigger black hole sucking up more time and money. Dare I say, 10 times worse than Iraq + Afghanistan.

well, if you're going to go back to Kuwait, yes, that wasn't a nation. The way the lines were drawn in the middle east - when was that done? 1920s? 1930s? That was a mess that caused all kinds of problems.

and, are we going to war with Shia Muslim countries? The US pulled out of it's recent wars. had a one or two week intervention in Libya, didn't get into Syria beyond a presence that's mostly a peace keeping force . . . I don't want to go to war either. I think we've learned that fighting a war thousands of miles from home doesn't give us the advantage.

I don't think the US is planning to go to war with any middle east nations anytime soon. The question is whether our presence, a few military bases, some trade agreements, is beneficial or harmful. I don't know where I come down on that. I do think that full blown non-interventionism is the same thing as showing the world our cards at the poker game where everyone is cheating, so I don't support that approach. But beyond "lets withdraw everywhere" being something that I'm skeptical of, I'm not sure what the right approach is.

I have mad respect for Obama, and I think he tried. Even then, was the peace deal with Iran a good thing? Trump just undid it, so . . . I don't know. They already got paid, so what did Trump accomplish?

I have ZERO respect for Trump and even Trump didn't do what he said he'd do, closing down a bunch of military bases. And Trump screwed us in Afganistansh by showing the Taliban our cards, telling them all about our retreat and scheduling it the week Biden took office (a dik move that cost American lives, which he could blame Biden for). Biden delayed the withdrawl, but it was still a mess. They knew we were pulling out. They prepared for it.

If you want to say we should have never gone into Afganistan, you might be right, though, after 9-11, that would have been a tough sell. But knowing what to do with an inherited war, I'm sorry, but that's hard. it's not a simple question. Certainly what we shouldn't do is what Trump did and show the Taliban our cards and say, OK, I'm going to pull out, just letting you know. And, you'll be nice to me, right?

I know that I rant too much and I don't have much in the way of answers beyond pointing out the obvious (Trump is a dimwit).


I mentioned Trump a few times, but look at what his decision to pull of of Syria, because he trusted Erdogan's promise to maintain the peace, look what that got us:

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-syria-shambles/

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2019/10/trump-withdraws-troops-syria-fallout

That was just one pull-out. It wasn't pretty.

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[DOT]

For the native New Yorkers on here, what are your opinions on Eric Adams?

New York City Mayor Eric Adams indicted, two sources say
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/us/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-indicted/index.html

Not a New Yorker but it just shows how Biden’s DOJ has been weaponized against nother Republican! Oh wait he’s a Democrat? Doesn’t matter Republicans will still lie and cry about being held accountable

Nah, it's just proof the Dems are corrupt and we should vote for more Republicans

Also not a New Yorker, but all I know of him is he's basically a Thin Blue Line kinda guy. Like, look at his statement about the shooting in the subway last week, he's out here beating his chest about how great a job the police did and how brave they are, meanwhile it was the cops who shot 4 people including a cop because a guy jumped the turnstile. And it's another case of repeating the "he had a weapon and lunged at us!" line when body cam shows him standing still when the cops opened fire

[thebuzzardman]

For the native New Yorkers on here, what are your opinions on Eric Adams?

New York City Mayor Eric Adams indicted, two sources say
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/us/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-indicted/index.html

Not a New Yorker but it just shows how Biden’s DOJ has been weaponized against nother Republican! Oh wait he’s a Democrat? Doesn’t matter Republicans will still lie and cry about being held accountable

IT JUST SHOWS HOW CORRUPT THE DEMONRATS ARE!!!!!!!

But, yes, the Adams administration is corrupt as f*ck. Following on the DeBlasi administration, which was corrupt as f*ck.

[WargamesX]

We should change this to a politics thread cause I want to talk about Adam’s being corrupt idiot.

[MrDollarBills]

For the native New Yorkers on here, what are your opinions on Eric Adams?

New York City Mayor Eric Adams indicted, two sources say
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/us/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-indicted/index.html

Not a New Yorker but it just shows how Biden’s DOJ has been weaponized against nother Republican! Oh wait he’s a Democrat? Doesn’t matter Republicans will still lie and cry about being held accountable

Nah, it's just proof the Dems are corrupt and we should vote for more Republicans

Also not a New Yorker, but all I know of him is he's basically a Thin Blue Line kinda guy. Like, look at his statement about the shooting in the subway last week, he's out here beating his chest about how great a job the police did and how brave they are, meanwhile it was the cops who shot 4 people including a cop because a guy jumped the turnstile. And it's another case of repeating the "he had a weapon and lunged at us!" line when body cam shows him standing still when the cops opened fire

It's gonna take some getting used to having a President that is hot.

There. I said it. That has been sitting on my chest for weeks. I feel liberated.

You all can bonk me for being horny all yall want, but I will speak the truth!!!!

[Pointgod]

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[MrDollarBills]

For the native New Yorkers on here, what are your opinions on Eric Adams?

New York City Mayor Eric Adams indicted, two sources say
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/us/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-indicted/index.html

Not a New Yorker but it just shows how Biden’s DOJ has been weaponized against nother Republican! Oh wait he’s a Democrat? Doesn’t matter Republicans will still lie and cry about being held accountable

IT JUST SHOWS HOW CORRUPT THE DEMONRATS ARE!!!!!!!

But, yes, the Adams administration is corrupt as f*ck. Following on the DeBlasi administration, which was corrupt as f*ck.

Democrat corruption is the lifeblood of tri state area politics.

[Capn'O]

I'll let our men in blue decide if this is a all purpose politics thread lol

Shutdown point is typically when bad faith agitators put our regs at risk. Discussion is going well thus far.