Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[KnixinSix]

That's your best response to a pointed and simple question?

You could have just sat this one out, lil buddy.

Oh, you wound me, sir. I just wanted to meme in peace, but you have besmirched my honor, so en garde.

You are not right, nor are wrong, for we know little of the closed door negotiations. There are finite reasons why a deal hasn't been inked that's left up to speculation. But when compared to other players in this very situation, i.e., Brandon Ingram, who has skipped the "volunteer" mini-camp for obvious reasons (stir the boat), I see no signs that a breakup in imminent. That disgruntled factor just isn't there.

On the other hand, we don't see anything similar happening on the Randle/Knicks front. He signed with CBA earlier in the year, Thibs has spoken about how he's going to use Randle, Randle voicing excitement with playing with this version of the Knicks, this school opening, and while speculation on my part, I'd bet money that MSG had something to do with the production of the Randle video and/or series.

Ian and/or Katz reported earlier in the Summer that despite the eligibility (some people keep thinking it's a deadline), neither side are in a rush to ink a new deal, which suggests to me that it's an inevitability. CA loves him, Leon loves him, Dolan loves him, his teammates love him. With the information available to us, a deal gets done. The why doesn't manner.

While I can still see a trade still happening, This scenario is certainly possible as well.

[KnixinSix]

I think Jericho is going to show significant improvement this year, Precious is a good backup ,we’ll be ok until Mitch gets back.
But if we want to make a move because of Mitch’s injury history, how about
Mitch and Deuce and picks for
Sengun and S.Adams.

Houston hangs up the phone. They would want Randle in any deal involving Sengun.

[spree2kawhi]

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randle at 14....well damn
https://sports.yahoo.com/ranking-the-nbas-no-2-options-lakers-celtics-boast-the-leagues-best-co-stars-160133431.html

RJ #24 if anyone cares.

Towns at #8. They are clearly full of sh*t, that is uncalled for. We’re taking these things personal here.

[spree2kawhi]

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randle at 14....well damn
https://sports.yahoo.com/ranking-the-nbas-no-2-options-lakers-celtics-boast-the-leagues-best-co-stars-160133431.html

... Siakim a # 2, option, huh? Despite averaging more PPGs and taking more shots than Haliburton, huh?? Okay, Yahoo!. Be it him or Haliburton, I'm sure as **** ain't ranking them over Randle.

They’re both better than Randle, but you’re right, Indiana is lacking a #1.

[El Poochio]

Mitch is a negative asset at this point, we should have cut loose when teams like Pelicans were desperate for bigs

[R-DAWG]

Randle is clearly the odd man out here

But at the same time, he could potentially fit really well

So obviously they're in a wait-and-see approach with him. If it works, we'll figure something out. If it doesn't, he's the first to go.

I don’t think Randle is the odd man out here at all. I think this whole thing is built around him being the #2 option on offense. Bridges and Anunoby are at their best as lockdown wings and knockdown shooters, with Bridges being a tertiary ball handler/scorer.

Sure, given his contract situation if it doesn’t work he will be the first to go. But if it doesn’t work with Randle, the paths to upgrading his role are very limited if not impossible

[R-DAWG]

That's your best response to a pointed and simple question?

You could have just sat this one out, lil buddy.

Oh, you wound me, sir. I just wanted to meme in peace, but you have besmirched my honor, so en garde.

You are not right, nor are wrong, for we know little of the closed door negotiations. There are finite reasons why a deal hasn't been inked that's left up to speculation. But when compared to other players in this very situation, i.e., Brandon Ingram, who has skipped the "volunteer" mini-camp for obvious reasons (stir the boat), I see no signs that a breakup in imminent. That disgruntled factor just isn't there.

On the other hand, we don't see anything similar happening on the Randle/Knicks front. He signed with CBA earlier in the year, Thibs has spoken about how he's going to use Randle, Randle voicing excitement with playing with this version of the Knicks, this school opening, and while speculation on my part, I'd bet money that MSG had something to do with the production of the Randle video and/or series.

Ian and/or Katz reported earlier in the Summer that despite the eligibility (some people keep thinking it's a deadline), neither side are in a rush to ink a new deal, which suggests to me that it's an inevitability. CA loves him, Leon loves him, Dolan loves him, his teammates love him. With the information available to us, a deal gets done. The why doesn't manner.

While I can still see a trade still happening, This scenario is certainly possible as well.

Given the Knicks lack of assets, limited front court depth, and need for shot creation the Knicks need Randle.

Given the projected lack of cap space this summer Randle needs the Knicks.

[Wildcat]

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randle at 14....well damn
https://sports.yahoo.com/ranking-the-nbas-no-2-options-lakers-celtics-boast-the-leagues-best-co-stars-160133431.html

... Siakim a # 2, option, huh? Despite averaging more PPGs and taking more shots than Haliburton, huh?? Okay, Yahoo!. Be it him or Haliburton, I'm sure as **** ain't ranking them over Randle.

They’re both better than Randle, but you’re right, Indiana is lacking a #1.

As a 2nd option? Hell no. There ain't no one Siakim is #9 and a better player than Randle. And in the context of co-star, JB/Randle > Hali/Siakim.

[Iron Mantis]

Oh, you wound me, sir. I just wanted to meme in peace, but you have besmirched my honor, so en garde.

You are not right, nor are wrong, for we know little of the closed door negotiations. There are finite reasons why a deal hasn't been inked that's left up to speculation. But when compared to other players in this very situation, i.e., Brandon Ingram, who has skipped the "volunteer" mini-camp for obvious reasons (stir the boat), I see no signs that a breakup in imminent. That disgruntled factor just isn't there.

On the other hand, we don't see anything similar happening on the Randle/Knicks front. He signed with CBA earlier in the year, Thibs has spoken about how he's going to use Randle, Randle voicing excitement with playing with this version of the Knicks, this school opening, and while speculation on my part, I'd bet money that MSG had something to do with the production of the Randle video and/or series.

Ian and/or Katz reported earlier in the Summer that despite the eligibility (some people keep thinking it's a deadline), neither side are in a rush to ink a new deal, which suggests to me that it's an inevitability. CA loves him, Leon loves him, Dolan loves him, his teammates love him. With the information available to us, a deal gets done. The why doesn't manner.

While I can still see a trade still happening, This scenario is certainly possible as well.

Given the Knicks lack of assets, limited front court depth, and need for shot creation the Knicks need Randle.

Given the projected lack of cap space this summer Randle needs the Knicks.

It didn't appear the Knicks were at a disadvantage without Randle's shot creation.

Jalen Brunson is a superstar.

The Knicks looked just fine In the regular season and in the playoffs. OG is the one the Knicks "need". Now they added Mikal to the offense and defense.

Mikal has shown he can get his scoring-wise when push comes to shove, at the same time he's a player who can get out the way and play off the ball when others have it going.

If Randle wants to be "the man" again there are teams with cap space who can pay him superstar money, but if he wants to win a championship he needs to take the Brunson route with the Knicks.

[3toheadmelo]

Mitch is a negative asset at this point, we should have cut loose when teams like Pelicans were desperate for bigs

We should have traded him years ago for Myles Turner

[Richard4444]

I am not saying Randle is a bad player. But his next contract can be atrocious considering the price-performance ratio.

Randle
- will earn 40M+/y
- will be over 30 years old
- plays a very physical style (that may regress fast) and he is getting injured more often lately.
- does not play defense every game
- isn't very much efficient, especially from deep.
- his playing style struggles against strong opponents, especially on playoff/important games.
- does not have trade value because besides all his flaws, everyone underestimates what he does well (intensity, stamina, bully ball, good playmaking/ballhandling skills for a big, good team player) and his game is aesthetically ugly to be a ticket seller. It can be an "asset" very hard to move at any time.
- the roster has glaring holes, especially at the center position.
- With his salary on the books, as a first or second-apron franchise that does not have good picks, it will be tough to get any help at all.

[R-DAWG]

While I can still see a trade still happening, This scenario is certainly possible as well.

Given the Knicks lack of assets, limited front court depth, and need for shot creation the Knicks need Randle.

Given the projected lack of cap space this summer Randle needs the Knicks.

It didn't appear the Knicks were at a disadvantage without Randle's shot creation.

Jalen Brunson is a superstar.

The Knicks looked just fine In the regular season and in the playoffs. OG is the one the Knicks "need". Now they added Mikal to the offense and defense.

Mikal has shown he can get his scoring-wise when push comes to shove, at the same time he's a player who can get out the way and play off the ball when others have it going.

If Randle wants to be "the man" again there are teams with cap space who can pay him superstar money, but if he wants to win a championship he needs to take the Brunson route with the Knicks.

Did we watch the same playoff games? Most possessions ended with Brunson getting the ball outside the 3 point arch inside of 10 seconds left on the shot clock resulting in him taking difficult shots. And that was against poor defensive teams.

Without Randle - go up a team like Boston and they will blitz Brunson to get the ball out of his hands. You need another shot creator if your going to have a deep playoff run.

[rajajackal]

Mitch is a negative asset at this point, we should have cut loose when teams like Pelicans were desperate for bigs

We should have traded him years ago for Myles Turner

as a mitch fan i've always been down for this just because myles turner is pretty rare variety of 2 way center

[RHODEY]

How many on this list could have taken the Knicks to a #4seed as a first option , the way Randle did a few years back? In my opinion most could not.

[Iron Mantis]

Given the Knicks lack of assets, limited front court depth, and need for shot creation the Knicks need Randle.

Given the projected lack of cap space this summer Randle needs the Knicks.

It didn't appear the Knicks were at a disadvantage without Randle's shot creation.

Jalen Brunson is a superstar.

The Knicks looked just fine In the regular season and in the playoffs. OG is the one the Knicks "need". Now they added Mikal to the offense and defense.

Mikal has shown he can get his scoring-wise when push comes to shove, at the same time he's a player who can get out the way and play off the ball when others have it going.

If Randle wants to be "the man" again there are teams with cap space who can pay him superstar money, but if he wants to win a championship he needs to take the Brunson route with the Knicks.

Did we watch the same playoff games? Most possessions ended with Brunson getting the ball outside the 3 point arch inside of 10 seconds left on the shot clock resulting in him taking difficult shots. And that was against poor defensive teams.

Without Randle - go up a team like Boston and they will blitz Brunson to get the ball out of his hands. You need another shot creator if your going to have a deep playoff run.

I watched the Knicks beat a championship caliber Sixers team 4-2 without Randle.

Did you see a version of the playoffs where the Knicks lost to the Sixers and Brunson didn't make history? cuz I didn't see that one...

I saw the Knicks up 2-0 on the Pacers series when OG played. OG went down and they still pushed it to seven games super short-handed.

As constructed, a healthy Knicks team without Randle would not collapse vs the Celtics. Brunson is an extremely high IQ Superstar and he knows how to handle defensive pressure. And You are ignoring how good Mikal is on both ends.

Randle has been historically terrible in the playoffs ... Blitzing him is an automatic turnover or bad shot...he's no savior... I don't know what playoff games you've been watching.

[3toheadmelo]

Mitch is a negative asset at this point, we should have cut loose when teams like Pelicans were desperate for bigs

We should have traded him years ago for Myles Turner

as a mitch fan i've always been down for this just because myles turner is pretty rare variety of 2 way center

Shamtopia continues to lose members on a daily basis

[3toheadmelo]

Given the Knicks lack of assets, limited front court depth, and need for shot creation the Knicks need Randle.

Given the projected lack of cap space this summer Randle needs the Knicks.

It didn't appear the Knicks were at a disadvantage without Randle's shot creation.

Jalen Brunson is a superstar.

The Knicks looked just fine In the regular season and in the playoffs. OG is the one the Knicks "need". Now they added Mikal to the offense and defense.

Mikal has shown he can get his scoring-wise when push comes to shove, at the same time he's a player who can get out the way and play off the ball when others have it going.

If Randle wants to be "the man" again there are teams with cap space who can pay him superstar money, but if he wants to win a championship he needs to take the Brunson route with the Knicks.

Did we watch the same playoff games? Most possessions ended with Brunson getting the ball outside the 3 point arch inside of 10 seconds left on the shot clock resulting in him taking difficult shots. And that was against poor defensive teams.

Without Randle - go up a team like Boston and they will blitz Brunson to get the ball out of his hands. You need another shot creator if your going to have a deep playoff run.

Yep, the consensus by most Knicks fans is that we desperately needed another shot creator in the playoffs. First time I’ve seen someone say we looked fine with just Brunson what games was dude watching?

[Iron Mantis]

They're really making me do this.

Behold Julius Randle the playoff savior "playmaker"...

Randle has the worst playoff PER in NBA History of any player putting up 12 shot attempts.

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I don't know what these guys are smoking claiming Randle is the playoff savior, but they better leave that stuff alone man.

Until he actually steps up when it matters, he's a playoff fraud. Mikal has been better than Randle in the playoffs.

[3toheadmelo]

How many on this list could have taken the Knicks to a #4seed as a first option , the way Randle did a few years back? In my opinion most could not.

Yeah, that was an insane carry job

[Capn'O]

So, again, what is it?

Brunson's not a top 10 player
Randle's the 14th best second option
Thibs is barely a top 10 coach

So why are we a top 10 team?