Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The last couple years of them punting on the draft has come back to bite them in the ass, with how injury prone Mitch is they should have made it a point to get a center sometime in the last 3 years as an insurance policy. In 2022 Walker Kessler went 22, now if we want to get him we're gonna need to dance with the devil, if they want Nick Richards it's going to be more costly than it would have been to just buy a pick and draft him.

How they viewed the draft was really shortsighted.

[3toheadmelo]

The last couple years of them punting on the draft has come back to bite them in the ass, with how injury prone Mitch is they should have made it a point to get a center sometime in the last 3 years as an insurance policy. In 2022 Walker Kessler went 22, now if we want to get him we're gonna need to dance with the devil, if they want Nick Richards it's going to be more costly than it would have been to just buy a pick and draft him.

How they viewed the draft was really shortsighted.

Extending Mitch was short sighted too

[Capn'O]

The last couple years of them punting on the draft has come back to bite them in the ass, with how injury prone Mitch is they should have made it a point to get a center sometime in the last 3 years as an insurance policy. In 2022 Walker Kessler went 22, now if we want to get him we're gonna need to dance with the devil, if they want Nick Richards it's going to be more costly than it would have been to just buy a pick and draft him.

How they viewed the draft was really shortsighted.

What? You have no faith in Hukporti? We could have had Duren too if they managed their cap better.

Generally, this front office has been pretty good but actually using the picks has been a blind spot.

[KnixinSix]

I am not saying Randle is a bad player. But his next contract can be atrocious considering the price-performance ratio.

Randle
- will earn 40M+/y
- will be over 30 years old
- plays a very physical style (that may regress fast) and he is getting injured more often lately.
- does not play defense every game
- isn't very much efficient, especially from deep.
- his playing style struggles against strong opponents, especially on playoff/important games.
- does not have trade value because besides all his flaws, everyone underestimates what he does well (intensity, stamina, bully ball, good playmaking/ballhandling skills for a big, good team player) and his game is aesthetically ugly to be a ticket seller. It can be an "asset" very hard to move at any time.
- the roster has glaring holes, especially at the center position.
- With his salary on the books, as a first or second-apron franchise that does not have good picks, it will be tough to get any help at all.

Would you take Ayton at 4 years around 35M AAV or KAT at 4 years around 55-57M AAV or 1 year of Randle at 30M AAV and then potentially lose him for nothing.

Would you take Jabari Smith and Steve Adams for Randle?

[Ray Williams]

History repeats itself. While Mitch is out, Jericho steps up.He is an athletic beast. This is his first healthy offseason with us. He’s been working out with Mark Bryant and Mike Bibby this off-season, putting in the work.
It may be improbable but it’s not impossible. Jericho snatches the starting job and Mitch comes off the bench.
All he has to do is get his head right because he has ALL the physical tools to be great. We’ve seen glimpses, time for him to break out.

[3toheadmelo]

History repeats itself. While Mitch is out, Jericho steps up.He is an athletic beast. This is his first healthy offseason with us. He’s been working out with Mark Bryant and Mike Bibby this off-season, putting in the work.
It may be improbable but it’s not impossible. Jericho snatches the starting job and Mitch comes off the bench.
All he has to do is get his head right because he has ALL the physical tools to be great. We’ve seen glimpses, time for him to break out.

Jericho stealing Mitch's starting spot would basically prove that the sham plague is real and undeniable at that point

[Enzo954]

It blows my mind how so many Knicks fans think that all of a sudden Sims is going to become our guy at center. He has all the athletic ability in the world but lacks the drive to be great. Kind of reminds of Knox. Talented but does just enough to hang around in the NBA.

[spree2kawhi]

I am not saying Randle is a bad player. But his next contract can be atrocious considering the price-performance ratio.

Randle
- will earn 40M+/y
- will be over 30 years old
- plays a very physical style (that may regress fast) and he is getting injured more often lately.
- does not play defense every game
- isn't very much efficient, especially from deep.
- his playing style struggles against strong opponents, especially on playoff/important games.
- does not have trade value because besides all his flaws, everyone underestimates what he does well (intensity, stamina, bully ball, good playmaking/ballhandling skills for a big, good team player) and his game is aesthetically ugly to be a ticket seller. It can be an "asset" very hard to move at any time.
- the roster has glaring holes, especially at the center position.
- With his salary on the books, as a first or second-apron franchise that does not have good picks, it will be tough to get any help at all.

You’ll pay the price for this reasonable, undeniably accurate post. Disgusting.

[spree2kawhi]

How many on this list could have taken the Knicks to a #4seed as a first option , the way Randle did a few years back? In my opinion most could not.

The entire top 11 could have… ok, Murray might be debatable. But I’d trade Randle for JJJ, Sengun and Wagner. The bottom of that list features some odd choices.

[8516knicks]

So, again, what is it?

Brunson's not a top 10 player
Randle's the 14th best second option
Thibs is barely a top 10 coach

So why are we a top 10 team?

Ryan Arcidiacono.

[thebuzzardman]

We're back to criticizing Knick drafts. Season is about ready to happen.

[RHODEY]

How many on this list could have taken the Knicks to a #4seed as a first option , the way Randle did a few years back? In my opinion most could not.

The entire top 11 could have… ok, Murray might be debatable. But I’d trade Randle for JJJ, Sengun and Wagner. The bottom of that list features some odd choices.

Many havent done it as 2nd options why would you think they accomplish it with less talent as a first option?

[thebuzzardman]

39 wins. Knicks are doomed.

[Iron Mantis]

How many on this list could have taken the Knicks to a #4seed as a first option , the way Randle did a few years back? In my opinion most could not.

The entire top 11 could have… ok, Murray might be debatable. But I’d trade Randle for JJJ, Sengun and Wagner. The bottom of that list features some odd choices.

Many havent done it as 2nd options why would you think they accomplish it with less talent as a first option?

Looking at the explanations they give for the top guys, they're also taking postseason play into account. That's likely why they give the edge to those other guys.

Until Randle has at least a half-decent performance in the playoffs he will continue to be underrated.

All the guys rated above him have rings, have made it further in
the playoffs, or at the very least have flat out better playoff stats than Randle.

[Richard4444]

So, again, what is it?

Brunson's not a top 10 player
Randle's the 14th best second option
Thibs is barely a top 10 coach

So why are we a top 10 team?

We are a top 10 team because:

- We have a great defense system.
- Mikal is one of the best third options in the league.
- OG, Donte and Hart must be the best 4th, 5th and 6th options of the league.

[Ray Williams]

It blows my mind how so many Knicks fans think that all of a sudden Sims is going to become our guy at center. He has all the athletic ability in the world but lacks the drive to be great. Kind of reminds of Knox. Talented but does just enough to hang around in the NBA.

This was the first offseason he wasn’t injured, assuming he lacks drive is premature.

[Wildcat]

It blows my mind how so many Knicks fans think that all of a sudden Sims is going to become our guy at center. He has all the athletic ability in the world but lacks the drive to be great. Kind of reminds of Knox. Talented but does just enough to hang around in the NBA.

We gain nothing by hoping he fails, mate. I hope he turns a corner.

[RHODEY]

The entire top 11 could have… ok, Murray might be debatable. But I’d trade Randle for JJJ, Sengun and Wagner. The bottom of that list features some odd choices.

Many havent done it as 2nd options why would you think they accomplish it with less talent as a first option?

Looking at the explanations they give for the top guys, they're also taking postseason play into account. That's likely why they give the edge to those other guys.

Until Randle has at least a half-decent performance in the playoffs he will continue to be underrated.

All the guys rated above him have rings, have made it further in
the playoffs, or at the very least have flat out better playoff stats than Randle.

Better playoff stats as 2nd options, playing with better talent (*until now), and playing healthy. In other words like so many accolades in the NBA , they are based on happenstance over substance.

[robillionaire]

The last couple years of them punting on the draft has come back to bite them in the ass, with how injury prone Mitch is they should have made it a point to get a center sometime in the last 3 years as an insurance policy. In 2022 Walker Kessler went 22, now if we want to get him we're gonna need to dance with the devil, if they want Nick Richards it's going to be more costly than it would have been to just buy a pick and draft him.

How they viewed the draft was really shortsighted.

the way I look at it, if they can move someone like McBride(who we drafted in the second round) and get a center back, it works out. We are too guard heavy for him to really get meaningful minutes, and on top of that we even drafted more guards so if we get injuries why not try Kolek? Of course it will cost more to trade for a known quantity than to buy a pick for an unknown, no surprise there. No guarantee the guy they hypothetically bought would be a rotation player either. We drafted Jericho Sims and he sucks.

Their biggest blunder was not moving Mitchell Robinson for value years ago. This was entirely predictable and preventable. I could type an essay about why but everyone probably knows at this point.

[WargamesX]

I am not saying Randle is a bad player. But his next contract can be atrocious considering the price-performance ratio.

Randle
- will earn 40M+/y
- will be over 30 years old
- plays a very physical style (that may regress fast) and he is getting injured more often lately.
- does not play defense every game
- isn't very much efficient, especially from deep.
- his playing style struggles against strong opponents, especially on playoff/important games.
- does not have trade value because besides all his flaws, everyone underestimates what he does well (intensity, stamina, bully ball, good playmaking/ballhandling skills for a big, good team player) and his game is aesthetically ugly to be a ticket seller. It can be an "asset" very hard to move at any time.
- the roster has glaring holes, especially at the center position.
- With his salary on the books, as a first or second-apron franchise that does not have good picks, it will be tough to get any help at all.

Would you take Ayton at 4 years around 35M AAV or KAT at 4 years around 55-57M AAV or 1 year of Randle at 30M AAV and then potentially lose him for nothing.

Would you take Jabari Smith and Steve Adams for Randle?

Outside of KAT are the rest of these deals involving CAA clients?