T Mann Signs a 3 Year/$47 Million Extension

[TrueLAfan]

Good value. A lot of T Mann's future, both with the team and in terms of value, will dictated by if he steps up when given more opportunities this year. If he plays like he's played in the past, it's a good deal. If he makes any steps forward, it's a great deal.

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[Roscoe Sheed]

I think it is a good deal- very solid defender and athletic. A bit too reluctant on offense for my liking, but hopefully he steps up with PG gone.

I wonder if the FO is pondering a trade- packaging some of these guys for somebody like Lavine or Ingram?

[KL2]

Good deal and he can be traded now too. Not saying they should but it’s interesting.

[NickP]

I think it is a good deal- very solid defender and athletic. A bit too reluctant on offense for my liking, but hopefully he steps up with PG gone.

I wonder if the FO is pondering a trade- packaging some of these guys for somebody like Lavine or Ingram?

I would love for that to happen.

[esqtvd]

Nice rotation guy, and he's missed only 9 games in the last 3 years, which is a big deal for this org, lol. Far from "untouchable" money, though.

Good on his agents. Could have "bet on himself" and hit the open market next summer but this deal is fully guaranteed. T-Mann's made almost $30M counting this coming season but now he's truly set for life.

[donemilio21]

it's a good deal for us, and for Mann. roughly 10% of the 2026 cap. He brings consistency to a team that is full of injury prone players.

[madmaxmedia]

Considering how the cap is moving, $15.5M per year is a very good deal- it's barely about the midlevel. We certainly weren't going to get him for less.

[madmaxmedia]

I think it is a good deal- very solid defender and athletic. A bit too reluctant on offense for my liking, but hopefully he steps up with PG gone.

I wonder if the FO is pondering a trade- packaging some of these guys for somebody like Lavine or Ingram?

I think he can play the same way he always has (team guy with pretty good overall court awareness) and end up with somewhat more shots now that PG is gone. That's probably more realistic than us hoping he becomes significantly more assertive on offense.

Even if it's mainly a byproduct of losing PG, we now have more tradeable contracts before so who knows what the future holds. I don't think we will chase anything, but if a good value deal comes along...

[esqtvd]

I think it is a good deal- very solid defender and athletic. A bit too reluctant on offense for my liking, but hopefully he steps up with PG gone.

I wonder if the FO is pondering a trade- packaging some of these guys for somebody like Lavine or Ingram?

I think he can play the same way he always has (team guy with pretty good overall court awareness) and end up with somewhat more shots now that PG is gone. That's probably more realistic than us hoping he becomes significantly more assertive on offense.

Even if it's mainly a byproduct of losing PG, we now have more tradeable contracts before so who knows what the future holds. I don't think we will chase anything, but if a good value deal comes along...

Everybody knows I'm not a huge T-Mann fan. But I've never denied that whatever role he was given, he did it adequately, and not only that, he was the best man on the roster for that job. He's EARNED every dollar he ever made in the NBA.

DJJ and KPJ are both better theoretically, but not both to the exclusion of Mann. Especially if Kawhi is MIA.

One note, though---plus/minus isn't everything, but it's not nothing. And the 2-man lineup tool is a crude tool and has too many unaccounted-for variables. But although you'd expect Harden-Powell to be a disaster and Harden-Mann to be the best fit, last year [per 100 possessions] Beard + Norm = plus+9.1 whereas Beard + Mann was only plus+4.5.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional?GroupQuantity=2&PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746&dir=D&slug=traditional&sort=PLUS_MINUS

Which is only to say Ty has a LOT of experimenting to do. Norm wants to start. And he might not be wrong. Mann is a great glue guy but struggles to score in double figures whereas but Norm can go off for 20 any night.

If Norm wins the SG job and Kawhi is playing, some of the other guys have a higher ceiling. OTOH, T-Mann has always been a pretty good floor.

[madmaxmedia]

Which is only to say Ty has a LOT of experimenting to do. Norm wants to start. And he might not be wrong. Mann is a great glue guy but struggles to score in double figures whereas but Norm can go off for 20 any night.

If Norm wins the SG job and Kawhi is playing, some of the other guys have a higher ceiling. OTOH, T-Mann has always been a pretty good floor.

Terance has generally deferred to the better offensive players on the floor, but has good court awareness and is always trying to make the right decision. I wonder whether routinely having lesser scorers on the floor around him now will change his decision making? It might. I don't mean him turning into a ball dominant guy, I just mean generally taking all the open shots and downhill opportunities when they are there for him. Just doing that can raise his output a bit without hurting his efficiency.

This is also the most athletic team we will have had in a long time. Much less skilled too, but it changes the types of shot opportunities we can get. So yeah I think Ty does have a lot of experimenting to do this year.

[og15]

Which is only to say Ty has a LOT of experimenting to do. Norm wants to start. And he might not be wrong. Mann is a great glue guy but struggles to score in double figures whereas but Norm can go off for 20 any night.

If Norm wins the SG job and Kawhi is playing, some of the other guys have a higher ceiling. OTOH, T-Mann has always been a pretty good floor.

Terance has generally deferred to the better offensive players on the floor, but has good court awareness and is always trying to make the right decision. I wonder whether routinely having lesser scorers on the floor around him now will change his decision making? It might. I don't mean him turning into a ball dominant guy, I just mean generally taking all the open shots and downhill opportunities when they are there for him. Just doing that can raise his output a bit without hurting his efficiency.

This is also the most athletic team we will have had in a long time. Much less skilled too, but it changes the types of shot opportunities we can get. So yeah I think Ty does have a lot of experimenting to do this year.

Mann being a 15.5 ppg guy in 35 mpg over 20 G-League games was what indicated to me that Mann is simply not a scorer at the NBA level.

He just has not been at any level.

College max: 12.6 ppg in 29 mpg
G-League: 15.5 ppg in 35 mpg
NBA max: 10.8 ppg in 28.6 mpg

It's just the reality that not every guy has a scoring mentality, and Mann does not. Of course him focusing on being a glue guy and on defense, etc is probably what has kept him in the league vs the guys who try to be scorers, neglecting other things and just out up inefficient volume.

So it has worked for him, but I don't think he has the mentality to really take more shots regardless of who he is playing with. Maybe he changes the narrative and proves me wrong, but far more likely that he doesn't.

[esqtvd]

Which is only to say Ty has a LOT of experimenting to do. Norm wants to start. And he might not be wrong. Mann is a great glue guy but struggles to score in double figures whereas but Norm can go off for 20 any night.

If Norm wins the SG job and Kawhi is playing, some of the other guys have a higher ceiling. OTOH, T-Mann has always been a pretty good floor.

Terance has generally deferred to the better offensive players on the floor, but has good court awareness and is always trying to make the right decision. I wonder whether routinely having lesser scorers on the floor around him now will change his decision making? It might. I don't mean him turning into a ball dominant guy, I just mean generally taking all the open shots and downhill opportunities when they are there for him. Just doing that can raise his output a bit without hurting his efficiency.

This is also the most athletic team we will have had in a long time. Much less skilled too, but it changes the types of shot opportunities we can get. So yeah I think Ty does have a lot of experimenting to do this year.

Mann being a 15.5 ppg guy in 35 mpg over 20 G-League games was what indicated to me that Mann is simply not a scorer at the NBA level.

He just has not been at any level.

College max: 12.6 ppg in 29 mpg
G-League: 15.5 ppg in 35 mpg
NBA max: 10.8 ppg in 28.6 mpg

It's just the reality that not every guy has a scoring mentality, and Mann does not. Of course him focusing on being a glue guy and on defense, etc is probably what has kept him in the league vs the guys who try to be scorers, neglecting other things and just out up inefficient volume.

So it has worked for him, but I don't think he has the mentality to really take more shots regardless of who he is playing with. Maybe he changes the narrative and proves me wrong, but far more likely that he doesn't.

Last year, Mann tried to increase his volume and his %ages cratered. If you remember, he was shooting well under 30% from 3 at one point. In the second half of the year, he returned to normal--basically taking only the gimmes--and everything stabilized.

As you can see, his lousy first half dragged his numbers below his career averages but he did well enough in the 2nd half to bring them within range. You is what you is.

[og15]

Terance has generally deferred to the better offensive players on the floor, but has good court awareness and is always trying to make the right decision. I wonder whether routinely having lesser scorers on the floor around him now will change his decision making? It might. I don't mean him turning into a ball dominant guy, I just mean generally taking all the open shots and downhill opportunities when they are there for him. Just doing that can raise his output a bit without hurting his efficiency.

This is also the most athletic team we will have had in a long time. Much less skilled too, but it changes the types of shot opportunities we can get. So yeah I think Ty does have a lot of experimenting to do this year.

Mann being a 15.5 ppg guy in 35 mpg over 20 G-League games was what indicated to me that Mann is simply not a scorer at the NBA level.

He just has not been at any level.

College max: 12.6 ppg in 29 mpg
G-League: 15.5 ppg in 35 mpg
NBA max: 10.8 ppg in 28.6 mpg

It's just the reality that not every guy has a scoring mentality, and Mann does not. Of course him focusing on being a glue guy and on defense, etc is probably what has kept him in the league vs the guys who try to be scorers, neglecting other things and just out up inefficient volume.

So it has worked for him, but I don't think he has the mentality to really take more shots regardless of who he is playing with. Maybe he changes the narrative and proves me wrong, but far more likely that he doesn't.

Last year, Mann tried to increase his volume and his %ages cratered. If you remember, he was shooting well under 30% from 3 at one point. In the second half of the year, he returned to normal--basically taking only the gimmes--and everything stabilized.

As you can see, his lousy first half dragged his numbers below his career averages but he did well enough in the 2nd half to bring them within range. You is what you is.

Honestly just looked like his shot was off to start the season, he wasn't taking different shots or shooting more then either.

First 25 games:
6.5 FGA / 3.1 3PA in 26 mpg
19.5% 3PT

Rest of season:
6.6 FGA / 2.5 3PA in 24.5 mpg
44% 3PT

"Technically" his FGA/minute was higher in the better shooting part of his season. The guy is just not a scorer, and that's okay, and he's paid like a guy who isn't a scorer, and that's okay.

[esqtvd]

Mann being a 15.5 ppg guy in 35 mpg over 20 G-League games was what indicated to me that Mann is simply not a scorer at the NBA level.

He just has not been at any level.

College max: 12.6 ppg in 29 mpg
G-League: 15.5 ppg in 35 mpg
NBA max: 10.8 ppg in 28.6 mpg

It's just the reality that not every guy has a scoring mentality, and Mann does not. Of course him focusing on being a glue guy and on defense, etc is probably what has kept him in the league vs the guys who try to be scorers, neglecting other things and just out up inefficient volume.

So it has worked for him, but I don't think he has the mentality to really take more shots regardless of who he is playing with. Maybe he changes the narrative and proves me wrong, but far more likely that he doesn't.

Last year, Mann tried to increase his volume and his %ages cratered. If you remember, he was shooting well under 30% from 3 at one point. In the second half of the year, he returned to normal--basically taking only the gimmes--and everything stabilized.

As you can see, his lousy first half dragged his numbers below his career averages but he did well enough in the 2nd half to bring them within range. You is what you is.

Honestly just looked like his shot was off to start the season, he wasn't taking different shots or shooting more then either.

First 25 games:
6.5 FGA / 3.1 3PA in 26 mpg
19.5% 3PT

Rest of season:
6.6 FGA / 2.5 3PA in 24.5 mpg
44% 3PT

"Technically" his FGA/minute was higher in the better shooting part of his season. The guy is just not a scorer, and that's okay, and he's paid like a guy who isn't a scorer, and that's okay.

Yes, I was using pre- and post-ASG. Same deal. He's not a volume scorer in the first place--2.4 3PAs in 2022-23. After upping his 3PAs to 3.1 in 2023-24--peaking at 3.6 in December--the results were abominable. After that, he started scaling down, reaching 2.5 attempts after the ASG and hitting a nice 43.7%.

Like I said, as long he sticks to the gimmes, his percentages are ace. You is what you is. I think we're agreeing that scaling up to any kind of 15+ ppg scoring threat is unlikely. Year after year, his FGA% and points per 36 [and other stats too, like only about one FTA a game] remain around his career average plus or minus 10%. It's possible but unlikely that someone breaks out at age 28.