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[Sixteen]

Hurts is so frustrating to watch these days.

For sure. Feels like once these players get paid they lose their edge and hunger. Thank goodness for Saquan because he has absolutely carried us offensively

For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's the issue with Hurts. I just don't think he's very good. He had a career year with a stacked team and almost won a Super Bowl. And that will be the highlight of his career IMO.

Yeah you're probably right. It really makes you appreciate Donovan Mcnabb and consistent high level of play that he gave us.

[ProcessDoctor]

Hurts is so frustrating to watch these days.

For sure. Feels like once these players get paid they lose their edge and hunger. Thank goodness for Saquan because he has absolutely carried us offensively

For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's the issue with Hurts. I just don't think he's very good. He had a career year with a stacked team and almost won a Super Bowl. And that will be the highlight of his career IMO.

I think he can return to looking above average once AJ returns. He's just not good enough to put the team on his back. Doesn't help having Siriani as a head coach either.

[Embiid P]

For sure. Feels like once these players get paid they lose their edge and hunger. Thank goodness for Saquan because he has absolutely carried us offensively

For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's the issue with Hurts. I just don't think he's very good. He had a career year with a stacked team and almost won a Super Bowl. And that will be the highlight of his career IMO.

Yeah you're probably right. It really makes you appreciate Donovan Mcnabb and consistent high level of play that he gave us.

The main problem with McNabb is that despite his talent, he lacked that killer instinct and regularly choked in big moments namely the SB and three straight NFC championship games. The main issue with Hurts is although he is highly athletic and has a tough as nails mentality, he lacks the ideal arm strength and field vision needed to be an elite QB. If you were to combine McNabb's talent with Hurts's toughness and leadership, you'd have one of the greatest QBs of all time but alas...

That said, Hurts is still playing without his top receiver and just lost his second best receiver which doesn't help his cause along with Sirianni's repeated bone-headed decisions to leave points on the field as well.

[Arsenal]

Hurts needs to cut down on the turnovers, no doubt. However the biggest problem is that the head coach is a stone cold moron. He's already cost us one game with his idiocy, and will likely cost us several more.

[the_process]

Sirianni is between a rock and a hard place at this point. And it's pretty clear at this point Hurts processes information at a sub-optimal speed.

They both really need to go.

[Arsenal]

Sirianni is between a rock and a hard place at this point. And it's pretty clear at this point Hurts processes information at a sub-optimal speed.

They both really need to go.

It's much easier to replace Siri since he's a bottom-tier coach. Bill Belichick has been salivating over the job and is waiting in the wings. Or just promote Kellen Moore, which we'll need to do otherwise we'll lose him.

Hurts meanwhile is around #10 overall in the QB ranks. Good enough to win with the right gameplan and team around him. Not very easy to upgrade.

[Embiid P]

Sirianni is between a rock and a hard place at this point. And it's pretty clear at this point Hurts processes information at a sub-optimal speed.

They both really need to go.

It's much easier to replace Siri since he's a bottom-tier coach. Bill Belichick has been salivating over the job and is waiting in the wings. Or just promote Kellen Moore, which we'll need to do otherwise we'll lose him.

Hurts meanwhile is around #10 overall in the QB ranks. Good enough to win with the right gameplan and team around him. Not very easy to upgrade.

Belichick hasn't won jack without Brady, and quite frankly, I think the game has passed him by. Besides he'd want full control of personnel decisions and I honestly can't see Lurie and Roseman going for that after the Chip Kelly fiasco.

If we're getting rid of Sirianni, I'd rather give Moore a shot.

As far as Hurts goes, yeah, he's probably not going to be a guy who can carry an offense without sufficient talent around him hence why getting Saquon was so huge to take pressure off him.

He's only played with a full arsenal (no pun intended lol) for one game and that was the Brazil game with no preseason to shake the rust off. Minus the final INT (he never should have been in that position to begin with), he played quite well vs. the Falcons.

[mjkvol]

Hurts is so frustrating to watch these days.

For sure. Feels like once these players get paid they lose their edge and hunger. Thank goodness for Saquan because he has absolutely carried us offensively

For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's the issue with Hurts. I just don't think he's very good. He had a career year with a stacked team and almost won a Super Bowl. And that will be the highlight of his career IMO.

Agree. I watched a ton of Hurts' games at Alabama and Oklahoma, and always loved his intangibles, but before he was drafted my thinking was that any team would be fortunate to have him in their locker room and as a backup QB, much like Josh Dobbs. I never envisioned him as a QB1.

Like you said, he rode a stacked roster and managed games, but even that year he couldn't carry the team himself in some big spots. He is what he always was, a great kid and competitor that has the ability to win some games as a mobile QB, but not a franchise QB. The money has nothing to do with it.

[Embiid P]

For sure. Feels like once these players get paid they lose their edge and hunger. Thank goodness for Saquan because he has absolutely carried us offensively

For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's the issue with Hurts. I just don't think he's very good. He had a career year with a stacked team and almost won a Super Bowl. And that will be the highlight of his career IMO.

Agree. I watched a ton of Hurts' games at Alabama and Oklahoma, and always loved his intangibles, but before he was drafted my thinking was that any team would be fortunate to have him in their locker room and as a backup QB, much like Josh Dobbs. I never envisioned him as a QB1.

Like you said, he rode a stacked roster and managed games, but even that year he couldn't carry the team himself in some big spots. He is what he always was, a great kid and competitor that has the ability to win some games as a mobile QB, but not a franchise QB. The money has nothing to do with it.

Hurts took advantage of a near MVP season in 2022 and cashed in. Can't fault him for that. Hell, he's made it farther in the playoffs than Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott and Trevor Lawrence, all of whom are paid more than him. You can throw stats out there all you want to, but at the end of the day, winning the SB is all that really matters. In another year or two, Hurts's salary will be the league average for starting QBs and won't look bad in hindsight.

I think he deserves until at least the end of the season when hopefully all of his weapons are back before we run him out of town. Realistically though, he probably gets another year after this assuming we fall short and Sirianni gets fired after this season.

[mjkvol]

For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's the issue with Hurts. I just don't think he's very good. He had a career year with a stacked team and almost won a Super Bowl. And that will be the highlight of his career IMO.

Agree. I watched a ton of Hurts' games at Alabama and Oklahoma, and always loved his intangibles, but before he was drafted my thinking was that any team would be fortunate to have him in their locker room and as a backup QB, much like Josh Dobbs. I never envisioned him as a QB1.

Like you said, he rode a stacked roster and managed games, but even that year he couldn't carry the team himself in some big spots. He is what he always was, a great kid and competitor that has the ability to win some games as a mobile QB, but not a franchise QB. The money has nothing to do with it.

Hurts took advantage of a near MVP season in 2022 and cashed in. Can't fault him for that. Hell, he's made it farther in the playoffs than Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott and Trevor Lawrence, all of whom are paid more than him. You can throw stats out there all you want to, but at the end of the day, winning the SB is all that really matters. In another year or two, Hurts's salary will be the league average for starting QBs and won't look bad in hindsight.

I think he deserves until at least the end of the season when hopefully all of his weapons are back before we run him out of town. Realistically though, he probably gets another year after this assuming we fall short and Sirianni gets fired after this season.

I'm not suggesting that he didn't earn every bit of the success and the contract he was offered, and I take nothing away from his performance during the SB season. Quite the contrary, as he has overachieved by a mile what I thought he might end up being as a pro through hard work and a natural leadership quality he always had.

My point is that what you're seeing with him now is more a regression toward the mean as the talent has thinned out a bit on the Eagles roster and they had to lean more on their franchise QB. He was never going to be the kind of QB1 that could carry a team, but because of his rise to the starting job and phenomenal SB season, expectations were naturally going to be sky high. He is what he always was, but his contract says otherwise.

[Sixerscan]

He's already down to 9th in AAV and is 91st in cap hit this year. His contract is fine.

Daniel Jones now there's a bad contract.

[the_process]

He's already down to 9th in AAV and is 91st in cap hit this year. His contract is fine.

Daniel Jones now there's a bad contract.

Hurts is not anywhere near the ninth best player in the league, though.

You don't give 50M+ to game managers.

But he's not going anywhere for at least the next two seasons, anyway. Just like when we all knew Glenn would be back after losing to Miami, even though we all also knew nothing would change or improve.

[Sixerscan]

He's already down to 9th in AAV and is 91st in cap hit this year. His contract is fine.

Daniel Jones now there's a bad contract.

Hurts is not anywhere near the ninth best player in the league, though.

You don't give 50M+ to game managers.

But he's not going anywhere for at least the next two seasons, anyway. Just like when we all knew Glenn would be back after losing to Miami, even though we all also knew nothing would change or improve.

Are there many more than 9 QBs clearly better than him? It's rough out there.

[mjkvol]

He's already down to 9th in AAV and is 91st in cap hit this year. His contract is fine.

Daniel Jones now there's a bad contract.

Hurts is not anywhere near the ninth best player in the league, though.

You don't give 50M+ to game managers.

But he's not going anywhere for at least the next two seasons, anyway. Just like when we all knew Glenn would be back after losing to Miami, even though we all also knew nothing would change or improve.

The level of QB play in the NFL has gone off a cliff since Brady, Ben, and Brees retired and Rodgers and Wilson aging and falling off haven't helped. Now, beyond Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, and maybe Burrow and Herbert, what is there? Love, Stroud, and Lawrence are still question marks, Tua can't stay on the field, and Dak is incredibly overrated. By default, Hurts is a top 10 QB who has won a lot of games and gotten to a SB.

[the_process]

You guys seem to want to limit the best players to QBs. I realize they get the biggest contracts, but if I’m going through a list of the 50 best players in the NFL, at least 80% play other positions.

Anyway, I put Hurts 12th on the QB list for now. Which says a lot more about how bad other teams QBs are rather than how good Hurts is.

[mjkvol]

You guys seem to want to limit the best players to QBs. I realize they get the biggest contracts, but if I’m going through a list of the 50 best players in the NFL, at least 80% play other positions.

Anyway, I put Hurts 12th on the QB list for now. Which says a lot more about how bad other teams QBs are rather than how good Hurts is.

Problem is, you're rarely winning championships without stellar QB play, which is why it is the most important position on the field even if most of the best players aren't QB's.

[Embiid P]

You guys seem to want to limit the best players to QBs. I realize they get the biggest contracts, but if I’m going through a list of the 50 best players in the NFL, at least 80% play other positions.

Anyway, I put Hurts 12th on the QB list for now. Which says a lot more about how bad other teams QBs are rather than how good Hurts is.

Problem is, you're rarely winning championships without stellar QB play, which is why it is the most important position on the field even if most of the best players aren't QB's.

True, but you can still win a SB without an elite QB. Look at Baltimore (with Dilfer and Flacco), the Giants (with Jeff Hostetler and Eli twice) thrice, and the Bucs in 2003 with Brad Johnson. The Seahawks did it once with Russell Wilson and almost again the following year had it not been for Pete Carroll's boneheaded decision not to run the ball at the goal line. Hell, we did it with Nick Foles and almost did it with Jalen Hurts both of whom balled out in their respective SBs.

The best ingredient though to overcoming a lack of an elite QB is an elite defense. Howie has two potential franchise players in Carter and Mitchell and an unexpected surprise in Zach Baun. He's just gotta fill in the rest particularly at the DE/edge positions because it doesn't appear that either Bryce Huff or Nolan Smith are it.

[mjkvol]

True, but you can still win a SB without an elite QB. Look at Baltimore (with Dilfer and Flacco), the Giants (with Jeff Hostetler and Eli twice) thrice, and the Bucs in 2003 with Brad Johnson. The Seahawks did it once with Russell Wilson and almost again the following year had it not been for Pete Carroll's boneheaded decision not to run the ball at the goal line. Hell, we did it with Nick Foles and almost did it with Jalen Hurts both of whom balled out in their respective SBs.

Okay, so we're talking about 8 times out of 58(?) SB's, and every one aside from Foles was with killer defenses, some of them (BAL, TB, SEA) among the best ever. I'll argue that Wilson was playing at an elite level the year they won, and Foles certainly was and needed to be in '17, so that's 6 where the defense flat out won the game. This Eagles defense is not on a level to carry a team the way some of those defenses did.

As an aside, I'll always believe that Wilson skated from blame on that INT. 1st and goal, and the play call was one that had resulted in no INT's all season, as safe a play as you could call - Wilson threw it in the only place he couldn't, high and behind the receiver. They had one TO left, and would have had to burn it if the run play didn't get in, so the argument can be made that it wasn't a bad call. It always bugged me that Wilson completely escaped blame that he at least should have shared.

[Sixteen]

Tough couple of days in the Keystone state for sports. Saquan should come out firing after seeing his guys fall to Notre Dame.

[Arsenal]

As far as the Sixers go, all I got to say is...

E A G L E S EAGLES!!!

Time for another chip!!!