Shams: KAT to the Knicks

[Raptors Realtor]

Masai is terrible now. Randle gets you KAT while Siakam gets you…Bruce Brown? Fire Ujiri please

You forgot the 3 1sts, Brown was just to match salary and maybe get another pick for him.

Correct, you are. And those picks ended up being 19th pick in 2024, projected to be one of the worst draft in years! Late pick in 2024 that ended up being Isiah Collier, projected #1 pick at one point, for UTAH f'ing JAZZ! And we got Agbaji AND re-signed Olynyk both of whom bombed like none other during summer plays. And last-but-certain-to-be-the-least... A mystery mid-to-low pick in 2026!

Did I mention Ja'Kobe Walter is now injured alongside Bruce Brown? Both of them come from the great Siakam tree, the garbage that keeps on giving~!

What great returns they are. So worthless.

Uh I was just correcting the other poster who stated we only got Brown for Siakam... Secondly, we don't know what Walter will turn out to be in the future, too early, and who cares if he's injured now, that has zero impact on whatever future value a rookie has. Also, there's no idea to know what we'll get with the Pacers '26 pick. I'm not saying the immediate value was great, but based on the rumors nobody was offering anything better, would you have preferred the hawks offer of Hunter, Griffin & a 1st, or how about Sac's offer of Barnes, Huerter & a 1st?

[Los_29]

Masai is terrible now. Randle gets you KAT while Siakam gets you…Bruce Brown? Fire Ujiri please

You forgot the 3 1sts, Brown was just to match salary and maybe get another pick for him.

Correct, you are. And those picks ended up being 19th pick in 2024, projected to be one of the worst draft in years! Late pick in 2024 that ended up being Isiah Collier, projected #1 pick at one point, for UTAH f'ing JAZZ! And we got Agbaji AND re-signed Olynyk both of whom bombed like none other during summer plays. And last-but-certain-to-be-the-least... A mystery mid-to-low pick in 2026!

Did I mention Ja'Kobe Walter is now injured alongside Bruce Brown? Both of them come from the great Siakam tree, the garbage that keeps on giving~!

What great returns they are. So worthless.

Wow, a professional athlete got injured? What a disaster.

[hyper316]

This trade hinges on a healthy OG covering so many holes on defense.

[HumbleRen]

If we traded Pascal, a top 9 protected pick and a player similar to DDV for Towns this entire message board would explode.

The reality is Towns is on a terrible contract and his game has completely stagnated, if not gotten worse the past few years. He is no longer a good shot blocker and his rebounding has dropped considerably. He is also a guy that has a questionable motor, work ethic and can’t be trusted to deliver in the playoffs.

With that said, I still like this for the Knicks. They desperately needed size. Towns will be an important piece for them. Their team is looking very good.

Yeah, this board would have killed Masai over that. I think Towns was a bit underrated before when he was putting up numbers on a bad team but the drop off the last 2 years is a bit of a concern not just in production but in advanced metrics where he went from excellent to about neutral. The massive contract as well for someone 29 with 4 years left and he's actually been kind of injury prone the last 5 years averaging just 50 games played.

The Knicks can afford to take a risk like this especially with not wanting to pay Randle anyways and it's very possible Towns with a change of scenery and in a role more well suited for him can end up reclaiming his form. Brunson and him is a potential dynamic 1-2 punch.

We would have killed Masai because it’s a dumb move to make when we should go in the direction of a rebuild.

If we were a competent team, I’d be pretty happy with the trade. KAT is an upgrade on Siakam on almost every level.

[Scase]

We kind of see Randle’s value already. Had to attach DDV + a pick to him to get a quality though flawed starter on one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

With that said, I’ve always maintained that Pascal is a better player simply because he can blend into more offenses and doesn’t cap your ceiling, unlike Randle. But I know consensus sees them as similar players.

Calling KAT a quality though flawed starter is kinda wild. Randle is clearly a tier below KAT, so adding sweetner is pretty understandable. Evidently DDV wanted out and the pick is pretty worthless, so it's a pretty solid return.

Eh, I guess subjective. Neither KAT or Randle make the RealGM top 30 while Siakam has been a mainstay. I want to be clear that I think both are below Siakam and consensus on this forum (on the GB) agrees with me.

With that said, DDV wanting out is irrlevant. OG also wanted out. Point remains that KAT has a claim for the worst contract in the league. In my opinion, our return was “better”.

With that said, I will again say that I think Siakam is a more valuable player than both and therefore I still think we should have gotten more for Siakam.

The real GM top 30 means quite literally nothing lol. This entire forum is dominated by the Raps board, so that is unsurprising. Personally, I think KAT is a tier above both Randle/Siakam whom of which I consider to be the same level of player, but I can understand different people value different skills.

But ultimately we are in agreement, that our return was not very good and should have been better.

[TGM]

The hate on KAT on this forum is hilarious. kAT is a legit ball player and much better than Pascal ever could be. People picking his game saying his blocking and rebounds are down from the past. Clearly these folks just reading stat lines and don’t watch the games. Ninny’s offense has KAT playing at the top of the key cause they got Rudy at the middle and trying to create space for Antman.

Would have love to get KAT for the Raps. He is one of those Centers that can really blow up offensively like guards. Not many of those in the league. Knicks bought low and great for them to get KAT in his prime.

[WaltFrazier]

Hasn't KAT been labeled the best big man shooter ever? Isn't OG near the top in corner threes? McBride is a good shooter too and will play more with DDV gone, and he's a good defender too.

There are risks of course, no roster is perfect. But it's refreshing to see a team really go all in

KAT labeled himself as the greatest big man shooter ever.

Brunson Hart og bridges KAT

Pretty sure this is their ideal closing lineup

Brunson Kat and 3 big small forward types

Defensive switchability

[WaltFrazier]

Not enough shooting in your lineup, yes og Mikal and even Kat can hit the 3, but not really snipers

Hasn't KAT been labeled the best big man shooter ever? Isn't OG near the top in corner threes? McBride is a good shooter too and will play more with DDV gone, and he's a good defender too.

There are risks of course, no roster is perfect. But it's refreshing to see a team really go all in

KAT labeled himself as the greatest big man shooter ever.

Does that make it less true?

[Los_29]

The hate on KAT on this forum is hilarious. kAT is a legit ball player and much better than Pascal ever could be. People picking his game saying his blocking and rebounds are down from the past. Clearly these folks just reading stat lines and don’t watch the games. Ninny’s offense has KAT playing at the top of the key cause they got Rudy at the middle and trying to create space for Antman.

Would have love to get KAT for the Raps. He is one of those Centers that can really blow up offensively like guards. Not many of those in the league. Knicks bought low and great for them to get KAT in his prime.

Blocks and rebounds were trending down even before Gobert got there. No one is saying KAT is a bad player. He’s a great player but his contract is awful and he’s failed to deliver in the playoffs. Still a good trade for the Knicks. He’s a great fit for them.

[TorontoBarneys]

This trade hinges on a healthy OG covering so many holes on defense.

This NYK team has the potential to flounder in the most epic way possible. We could be seeing a historical trainwreck soon.

[nikster]

The hate on KAT on this forum is hilarious. kAT is a legit ball player and much better than Pascal ever could be. People picking his game saying his blocking and rebounds are down from the past. Clearly these folks just reading stat lines and don’t watch the games. Ninny’s offense has KAT playing at the top of the key cause they got Rudy at the middle and trying to create space for Antman.

Would have love to get KAT for the Raps. He is one of those Centers that can really blow up offensively like guards. Not many of those in the league. Knicks bought low and great for them to get KAT in his prime.

I dont know about that, the argument kinda falls apart when we look at the playoffs. Whats the best series hes ever had? A hyper efficient 19 ppg as 2nd option in a sweep of the suns? The 21-22 where had 21 ppg against Memphis? Pascal literally just had a better playoff run. You remember the clowning on Siakam when he got eliminated in a playoff series with a TS% below 50%? At least Siakam had the excuse of the bubble.

And yeah Towns is rebounding and blocking are down, but Gobert saved his defensive reputation. As a Centre, when his rebounds and blocks were up, KAT was consistently leading the worst defenses in the league.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think KAT is better, but he's getting paid $8 million more. Which is why the Wolves gave him up for an expiring Randle and Divencenzo

[DLTGWH]

This trade hinges on a healthy OG covering so many holes on defense.

Bridges, Josh Hart, Money Mitch (assuming not traded) and Deuce are all good to great defensively. Team health and Thibs running guys into the ground is a much bigger/legitimate concern.

[Reeko]

Hasn't KAT been labeled the best big man shooter ever? Isn't OG near the top in corner threes? McBride is a good shooter too and will play more with DDV gone, and he's a good defender too.

There are risks of course, no roster is perfect. But it's refreshing to see a team really go all in

KAT labeled himself as the greatest big man shooter ever.

Does that make it less true?

In a world where Dirk Nowitzki exists, yes.

[DreamTeam09]

Kat was a -12 in the postseason last year

[bluerap23]

Ant and Randle won't work. That's a terrible trade by Minny imo.

this has little to do with Randle. I wouldn't be surprised if he is made 6th man on that team. Reid fits better than Kat on a defence first team. Don't expect to see Randle on the floor with Gobert very often.

I might be in the minority but I think both teams win this trade.

[DreamTeam09]

Ant and Randle won't work. That's a terrible trade by Minny imo.

this has little to do with Randle. I wouldn't be surprised if he is made 6th man on that team. Reid fits better than Kat on a defence first team. Don't expect to see Randle on the floor with Gobert very often.

I might be in the minority but I think both teams win this trade.

Naz
Randle
McDaniels
Ant
Donte

To close games. Still leaves Ant in a position to make decisions & plays for himself n others.

Leaves you to think why they didn't just go get Ingram + Alverado or something. Maybe they'd didn't want Kat in the west still, maybe they like Randle

[Tripod]

Masai is terrible now. Randle gets you KAT while Siakam gets you…Bruce Brown? Fire Ujiri please

No.

Randle, a good rotational shooter and a 1st got KAT....who most view as good but overpaid.

Say what you want, but Minny CHOSE to bench him at times during the playoffs.

[binjumper]

You forgot the 3 1sts, Brown was just to match salary and maybe get another pick for him.

Correct, you are. And those picks ended up being 19th pick in 2024, projected to be one of the worst draft in years! Late pick in 2024 that ended up being Isiah Collier, projected #1 pick at one point, for UTAH f'ing JAZZ! And we got Agbaji AND re-signed Olynyk both of whom bombed like none other during summer plays. And last-but-certain-to-be-the-least... A mystery mid-to-low pick in 2026!

Did I mention Ja'Kobe Walter is now injured alongside Bruce Brown? Both of them come from the great Siakam tree, the garbage that keeps on giving~!

What great returns they are. So worthless.

Wow, a professional athlete got injured? What a disaster.

word is on the street Masai took a bat to his shoulder, so he could piss off realgm posters.

[HiJiNX]

I would take Siakam over KAT 10 times out of 10. There’s really no argument for me. Siakam puts way more pressure on the defence and is a better defensive player. And he’s actually had some noteworthy playoff performances and sorta carried Indiana to an unlikely ECF appearance last year while Hali was busy being timid (or hurt).

[DG88]

I would take Siakam over KAT 10 times out of 10. There’s really no argument for me. Siakam puts way more pressure on the defence and is a better defensive player. And he’s actually had some noteworthy playoff performances and sorta carried Indiana to an unlikely ECF appearance last year while Hali was busy being timid (or hurt).

I'm in the same frame as you. I remember KAT prioritized getting a franchise record stat before winning a basketball game for his team. Can't remember if it was this past season or the previous. Still remember he was roasted by his coach for it.