2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation

[mkot]

Still can't believe what TWolves did.

Trade 2nd best player to save tax.

Imagine if we traded Devin Booker for Dejonte Murray for cap relief.

They are moving their focus on their young core of Edwards, McDaniels and Naz Reid. KAT is not on the same timeline as them and he makes too much. Now they can have the money to re-sign Reid and McDaniels and some flexibility moving forward. Just a little surprising how little draft capitals they got back for KAT seeing how picks get throw around these days. I guess his contract/value is more "toxic" than we realize

[Saberestar]

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Any interest in Nurkic for Mitchell Robinson?

I think that Robinson probably had a higher value than Nurkic BEFORE his big time injury but ATM they could have about the same value on the market.

Mitchell wouldn't provide any type of spacing and he isn’t a good passer but he is a constant lob threat and a defensive upgrade over Nurkic.

All in all an interesting option if we aren't sold on Nurkic.

[Bogyo]

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Any interest in Nurkic for Mitchell Robinson?

I think that Robinson probably had a higher value than Nurkic BEFORE his big time injury but ATM they could have about the same value on the market.

Mitchell wouldn't provide any type of spacing and he isn’t a good passer but he is a constant lob threat and a defensive upgrade over Nurkic.

All in all an interesting option if we aren't sold on Nurkic.

Availability is a talent. If he were healthy yes - but he is far from it, so no. He plays 54 games a year eversince he got in the league. Also it seems on trade machine that NY is also over the luxury tax line, so they can not take on Nurkic in pretty much any scenario.

[Saberestar]

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Any interest in Nurkic for Mitchell Robinson?

I think that Robinson probably had a higher value than Nurkic BEFORE his big time injury but ATM they could have about the same value on the market.

Mitchell wouldn't provide any type of spacing and he isn’t a good passer but he is a constant lob threat and a defensive upgrade over Nurkic.

All in all an interesting option if we aren't sold on Nurkic.

Availability is a talent. If he were healthy yes - but he is far from it, so no. He plays 54 games a year eversince he got in the league. Also it seems on trade machine that NY is also over the luxury tax line, so they can not take on Nurkic in pretty much any scenario.

Yeah, after thinking a minute about it I wouldn't trade Nurk for him.

Like you have said he is currently injured probably for the next 3-4 months and when playing he is a liability on offense because of his lack of shooting (worst FT shooter in the league) and overall low basketball IQ.

He is not THAT good on defense to make up for his terrible offense.

[Saberestar]

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[bwgood77]

Knicks Acquire Karl-Anthony Towns From Wolves For Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo
Sep 27, 2024 10:21 PM

Knicks Acquire Karl-Anthony Towns From Wolves For Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo
The New York Knicks have agreed to a trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves of Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo and a first round pick via the Detroit Pistons for Karl-Anthony Towns. The Knicks will also send DaQuan Jeffries and draft compensation to the Charlotte Hornets to facilitate the trade.

The two sides intensified discussions on a deal over the past 24 hours. The Knicks have long been linked with Towns, but were set to enter the season particularly thin at center following the free agent departure of Isaiah Hartenstein and the injury to Mitchell Robinson.

Towns is entering Year 1 of his four-year, $220 million supermax extension with a $49.3 million salary this season. During the 23-24 season, Towns averaged 21.8 points, 8.3 rebounds and 3.1 assists in 32.7 minutes. Towns also previously played for Tom Thibodeau and was represented by Leon Rose until the agent left CAA to run the Knicks. Towns' camp was reportedly "stunned" by the trade to the Knicks.

Randle is on a $28.9 contract this season with a player option for 25-26 worth $30.9 million. According to Ian Begley, the Knicks also discussed Randle trade scenarios with the Pistons, Atlanta Hawks and Miami Heat.

DiVincenzo signed a four-year, $50 million contract with the Knicks during the 2023 offseason and had a career season with 15.5 points, 3.7 rebounds and 2.7 assists while shooting 40.1 percent from three.

That is **** nuts.

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Hart
Towns

[bwgood77]

Mitch Robinson has always been massively overrated here.

[Mulhollanddrive]

They're not paying Randle the max either if they want Reid to start eventually so Towns was just dumped for a bench piece and pick

[lilfishi22]

Wolves really jumped the gun on this trade imo. Given they were a WC finalist, they really should've added to the core. That being said, moving on from KAT does potentially kill 3 birds with one stone. It solves the issue with KAT/Ant viability long term (although may introduce a new one with Randall), it lowers their future tax bill and move on from KAT's super max extension which is only just beginning this season and is owed $221m.

[Mulhollanddrive]

OKC to win the West at $4.20 who's beating them

[sunsbg]

OKC to win the West at $4.20 who's beating them

Your Phoenix Suns ?

Interestingly bookies have MEM with better odds for playoff seeding, but with worse odds of winning the West than us.

[bullsaficianado]

Knicks Acquire Karl-Anthony Towns From Wolves For Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo
Sep 27, 2024 10:21 PM

Knicks Acquire Karl-Anthony Towns From Wolves For Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo
The New York Knicks have agreed to a trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves of Julius Randle, Donte DiVincenzo and a first round pick via the Detroit Pistons for Karl-Anthony Towns. The Knicks will also send DaQuan Jeffries and draft compensation to the Charlotte Hornets to facilitate the trade.

The two sides intensified discussions on a deal over the past 24 hours. The Knicks have long been linked with Towns, but were set to enter the season particularly thin at center following the free agent departure of Isaiah Hartenstein and the injury to Mitchell Robinson.

Towns is entering Year 1 of his four-year, $220 million supermax extension with a $49.3 million salary this season. During the 23-24 season, Towns averaged 21.8 points, 8.3 rebounds and 3.1 assists in 32.7 minutes. Towns also previously played for Tom Thibodeau and was represented by Leon Rose until the agent left CAA to run the Knicks. Towns' camp was reportedly "stunned" by the trade to the Knicks.

Randle is on a $28.9 contract this season with a player option for 25-26 worth $30.9 million. According to Ian Begley, the Knicks also discussed Randle trade scenarios with the Pistons, Atlanta Hawks and Miami Heat.

DiVincenzo signed a four-year, $50 million contract with the Knicks during the 2023 offseason and had a career season with 15.5 points, 3.7 rebounds and 2.7 assists while shooting 40.1 percent from three.

That is **** nuts.

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Hart
Towns

Knicks can make the Finals if they can stay healthy and Brunson keeps playing at that MVP like level he played at last season.

[Saberestar]

[bwgood77]

OKC to win the West at $4.20 who's beating them

I think they likely have the 1 seed with ease barring injury to Shai or something.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Mitch Robinson has always been massively overrated here.

Probably because we've seen what he does to Deandre Ayton.

[bwgood77]

Mitch Robinson has always been massively overrated here.

Probably because we've seen what he does to Deandre Ayton.

I don't recall what he did to Ayton, but I do know he can't even get over 60% from shots at the rim and only took 10 shots away from the rim last year, none longer than 10 ft, and was 2-10, and shoots 40% from the line. He goes for blocks and gets out of positon, fouls a lot and is a so so rebounder.

I don't understand the appeal.

I remember I wanted us to draft Luka and him but he's not a good basketball player. He's an ok backup. The difference between the Knicks play with Hartenstein vs him in the lineup is massive.

Plus he was injured a lot, playing in around 30 games last year, though that probably helped the Knicks.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Mitch Robinson has always been massively overrated here.

Probably because we've seen what he does to Deandre Ayton.

I don't recall what he did to Ayton, but I do know he can't even get over 60% from shots at the rim and only took 10 shots away from the rim last year, none longer than 10 ft, and was 2-10, and shoots 40% from the line. He goes for blocks and gets out of positon, fouls a lot and is a so so rebounder.

I don't understand the appeal.

I remember I wanted us to draft Luka and him but he's not a good basketball player. He's an ok backup. The difference between the Knicks play with Hartenstein vs him in the lineup is massive.

Plus he was injured a lot, playing in around 30 games last year, though that probably helped the Knicks.

Home game against the Knicks a couple seasons ago, when Cam Jo went off after Randle tried to take him out - Robinson embarrassed Deandre, who couldn't box him out if you paid him $100 million (literally!). I remember it well because I lost faith in Ayton for good that game. It was an embarrassment to basketball.

But yeah, Robinson has never impressed me outside of his matchups with DA. His health issues make him a negative asset. Nurk is so much better I thought it not worth discussing (even if it were feasible).

[bwgood77]

Probably because we've seen what he does to Deandre Ayton.

I don't recall what he did to Ayton, but I do know he can't even get over 60% from shots at the rim and only took 10 shots away from the rim last year, none longer than 10 ft, and was 2-10, and shoots 40% from the line. He goes for blocks and gets out of positon, fouls a lot and is a so so rebounder.

I don't understand the appeal.

I remember I wanted us to draft Luka and him but he's not a good basketball player. He's an ok backup. The difference between the Knicks play with Hartenstein vs him in the lineup is massive.

Plus he was injured a lot, playing in around 30 games last year, though that probably helped the Knicks.

Home game against the Knicks a couple seasons ago, when Cam Jo went off after Randle tried to take him out - Robinson embarrassed Deandre, who couldn't box him out if you paid him $100 million (literally!). I remember it well because I lost faith in Ayton for good that game. It was an embarrassment to basketball.

But yeah, Robinson has never impressed me outside of his matchups with DA. His health issues make him a negative asset. Nurk is so much better I thought it not worth discussing (even if it were feasible).

I guess there is a way to check their matchup #s. Ayton did have 2 bad games against him aside from his first matchup. And they were 2 of the last 3. But the one in between it looks like Ayton dominated him. Before that Ayton seemed to have some huge games against him, including a 26/21 game.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/ayton-vs-mitchell-robinson

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/mitchell-robinson-vs-ayton

[Mr Puddles]

Still can't believe what TWolves did.

Trade 2nd best player to save tax.

Imagine if we traded Devin Booker for Dejonte Murray for cap relief.

Imagine trading Joe Johnson because we're 2 mil a year apart in salary negotiations.

Imagine getting Robert Horried out of the playoffs and then trading Kurt Thomas plus two first round picks for a trade exception.

Imagine selling first rounders.

Let the TWolves and Nuggets ownership be a reminder to people what many ownerships in the NBA looks like. Say what you want about Matt, atleast he doesn't penny pinch.

[bigfoot]

Training camp deal ...
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2024/9/26/24255399/report-suns-sign-frank-kaminsky-to-training-camp-deal

Yeah highly doubt he takes the final roster spot but it's good to have Vibes Kaminsky back in Phoenix.

Frank is what he is. You don't want him to play heavy minutes but he was always a good character guy during his last stint in Phoenix. Don't mind having him around. Plus he's just so damn sexy.

The PG position has depth, playmaking, three point shooting (Tyus and Monte)
The SG position has depth, playmaking, three point shooting (Booker, Beal, and Grayson)
The SF position has depth, playmaking, three point shooting (Booker, Beal, and Grayson)
The PF position has depth and three point shooting (Durant, O'Neale, and Bol)
The C position has depth but lacks three point shooting ... Bud needs a five who can reliably shoot the three.

Nurk ... maybe on threes
Plumlee ... no three point shot
Bol ... maybe on threes but too skinny to be a backup 5
Ighodaro ... unknown on threes and too small to be a backup 5

Frank is a safety net for the stretch 5. Currently this is the biggest need on the team.

I would guess Frank has the upper hand on the 15th roster spot. Perfect glue guy and the Suns could offer a non-guaranteed contract which would become fully guaranteed on Jan 7.