tsherkin wrote:ShootersShoot wrote:Oof my bad..porter is a much better comparison but volume assists was just one aspect.
Absolutely just one aspect. I'm sure he's there just to illustrate how volume assists can be kind of empty, as with Rondo. Also, he's not exactly a household name.Porter never had a a/to ratio like stockton
Well, they didn't track turnovers until relatively late into his career. During his 13.4 apg season, he averaged 4.1 tpg, or 21.5% TOV. Stockton's career average was 20.8%, so yeah, that was actually fairly similar. Porter's was a little worse over his career at 22.4%, but again, fairly similar, and only comparable usage.nor was he going to score 15-17ppg on pretty much elite efficiency.
No, he was up and down with his efficiency and not as efficient as Stockton, for sure. It was a notable separation.Yea averaging 10apg per game for a couple seasons is nice. 13.4apg one time is impressive..but stockton had a five year stretch averaging more assists than that per season with less turnovers each year. Literally no one has matched that in nba history.
Yes. He also shot 9.1 FGA/g on his career and peaked at 11.9. During his 88-96 peak, when he averaged 13.1 apg, he posted 10.8 FGA/g. On a team which frequently struggled to find a quality second postseason scorer of value. Trading FGA for APG is a thing to a point, but at some point, you need to get it done. He averaged 20+ ppg on a postseason once in that stretch, and it was over a 3-game series. Scoring was not really his jam. He picked his spots to shoot very carefully and didn't do it very much, which was one contributing factor to his efficiency. There was more to it, of course, but it was a component.The same people that say stockton cant create separation today are the same kind of people that would say steph curry cant get a shot off in the 90s..just utter unintelligent nonsense. If 90s defense is supposed to be tougher back then, how does it make any sense that stockton wouldnt be able to create separation today?
Stockton could create separation. He had a handle. It didn't look like Kyrie's, but it was functional. He was also very sharp about using screens and the threat of his shot. He was quite capable in transition, with end-to-end speed which might surprise people. Did you want him rocking a clear-out isolation against a set defense? No, but then, you're better off entering into a PnR set at that point anyhow. Was he a great broken-set player? No, but he could move off ball, catch and shoot well enough, or camp in the corner while other action happened. He knew how to leverage his skills.
But again, like I said earlier, no one is really trying to envision Stockton as a focal offensive player in the sense of a guy like Shai or Luka, so that was always a false equivalency, right? He wouldn't NEED to have individual self-shot creation ability like those guys because he would never be deployed as a focal scorer. So the tools he had would remain fine for the role he'd fill in today's environment. And he wasn't incapable of getting a shot for himself, either.
Porters ast/to ratio for the 4 seasons they started tracking turnovers was 9.9 to 3.5..or 2.8 ast/to
Stocktons career average is 3.75..thats a stark difference. If we cherry pick during stocktons prime years the number is even higher.
If we just count porters 13.4 assist season, it was 3.26. Stocktons during the five year stretch he averaged over 13apg per season was 14 to 3.5, or an ast/to ratio of 4.0 during a five year stretch.
Basically what im trying to say is porters volume and efficiency of assists overall was nothing special, whereas stocktons was. I agree volume assists in of itself is not necessarily impressive, but when we are talking literally the highest volumes all time per season combined with all time efficiency in terms of ast/to..it becomes another bad faith comparison.
LeBron is 0-7 in game winning/tying FGs in the finals. And is 20/116 or 17% in game winning/tying FGs in the 4th/OT for his career. That's historically bad 
