KAT To The Knicks Part 2

[F N 11]

Thibs bout to go crazy with how he use defenders

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[E-Balla]

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You seem like you need a situation where you can be in control of the outcome.

No sign of Smash lately. IJS.

lmao y'all already know why I dipped. Bish a perfect commissioner, I won't be grabbing a team while he still commish though. Once it hit the point where I was about to publicly post DMs to show how he was lying I decided it wasn't even worth it anymore.

[2010]

I still contend after Randle eventually signs his new deal KAT will be a more attractive piece in a future trade especially as the cap continues to rise. He is just a more seamless fit with the modern NBA. He has his quirks but I think most FO don't see KAT as a lose cannon as much as Randle. So I just feel in the future his contract will be more easier to move especially if he's player well here rather than Randles new extension contract.

Minny made there bed with the Gobert trade...if they tried to re-trade him there is zero chance they would re-coup even close to the draft equity they lost. So that made KAT's contract the odd man out now they need to pay NAW and Naz.

I think the position they were in with Ant Edwards contract kicking in along with McDaniels and still having Gobert...you got to make choices unless you are going to pay obscene tax which Minny clearly wasn't willing to do.

You're still comparing KAT to Randle. If that's the standard for this deal then sure I guess. To me the standard for this deal is did you give up positive assets for a positive asset. We gave up positive assets for a player the Wolves couldn't find any other suitors for because his contract is awful.

Minny didn't make **** with the Gobert trade, KAT is on the way out because for all the "modern NBA" talk Gobert fits the modern NBA way more. KAT is a tweener on defense, he's never won **** as the best player on a team and he's making $56 million a year. Nobody wants to give a player that's not even top 30 Steph, Embiid, and Jokic money with the current CBA and the 2nd apron. Besides his old agent apparently.

And for the second bold part I think Minny doesn't mind paying the tax. They mind paying the tax for a guy that's significantly less productive than NAW, Naz, and Donte combined. KAT the concept and KAT the player ain't the same. We've seen Minny without him for large parts of the last two seasons and last year they went 14-6 without him (a higher win percentage than with him), 2023 they went 15-14 with him and 27-26 without him (about even), and looking at his on off they've played +11.4 points per 100 better with him on the bench. Last year in the regular season they were +0.2 points per 100 better with him on the bench. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Naz is probably looking to get about 4/100 and he averaged 18/7/2 as a starter with similar percentages to KAT and slightly better defense IMO. He's just not that much better than guys that can be grabbed at half his cost, and it's not hard to find shooting PFs that can't protect the rim (which is what he is in Minny) so they cut bait.

Trust me, Naz is finna get a lot more than 4/100. Look at what iHart just got ($29 m per) and Naz is better.

Even IQ got more than $30 m’s per. I think 4/$120 is the starting point for Naz, maybe more. Dude may end up at like $35 or 36 per.

[god shammgod]

kat's 29 in a month but he's gonna pass a lot more now, he's gonna play defense, i hear he's gonna start performing surgery at cornell weill too on his off days

[Knicksfan1992]

Blows my mind that people are still ignoring the fact that we very likely take the celtics 6 or 7 if we just have OG out there. Bottom line is that we traded away all our depth and picks for pieces we didn't really NEED. All we NEEDED was a center replacement for iHart after he left us for OKC and a secondary PG to facilitate things while Brunson rests

We didn't NEED mikal and we definitely didn't NEED kat. We were already a top 3 team in the league as is.

If you applied this logic to the Boston Celtics they likely don't win a title last year because they wouldn't have traded for Jrue and KP because they didn't "need' either of them. They gave up useful depth pieces and assets to get them and were clearly a top 3-5 team when healthy already.

Not saying this is the exact same situation but, you shouldn't avoid improving your talent level just because you may lose some depth in the process.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Blows my mind that people are still ignoring the fact that we very likely take the celtics 6 or 7 if we just have OG out there. Bottom line is that we traded away all our depth and picks for pieces we didn't really NEED. All we NEEDED was a center replacement for iHart after he left us for OKC and a secondary PG to facilitate things while Brunson rests

We didn't NEED mikal and we definitely didn't NEED kat. We were already a top 3 team in the league as is.

Nobody was going 6 with the Celtics last year, the only team that had any shot would have been a healthy Nuggets team, because they could go at KP directly and no amount of switching helped them against Jokic. The Mavs had elite creators and rim runners, they got their culos blasted, we would have been beaten down by them if we stayed the same, they are built to exploit rim running teams and it's why we were 1-4 against them last year.

[sol537]

Blows my mind that people are still ignoring the fact that we very likely take the celtics 6 or 7 if we just have OG out there. Bottom line is that we traded away all our depth and picks for pieces we didn't really NEED. All we NEEDED was a center replacement for iHart after he left us for OKC and a secondary PG to facilitate things while Brunson rests

We didn't NEED mikal and we definitely didn't NEED kat. We were already a top 3 team in the league as is.

If you applied this logic to the Boston Celtics they likely don't win a title last year because they wouldn't have traded for Jrue and KP because they didn't "need' either of them. They gave up useful depth pieces and assets to get them and were clearly a top 3-5 team when healthy already.

Not saying this is the exact same situation but, you shouldn't avoid improving your talent level just because you may lose some depth in the process.

100%

Plus... I still don't think any team with Randle as their #2 guy can win a title. Way too risky.

[SelbyCobra]

All signs point to Randle leaving Minny in free agency after one season in Minny (who knows, maybe they win it all?). Minny holds on to DDV, NAW and Reid after that and keeps themselves under the second apron, while still being a solid team led by Ant.

Randle probably signs in CHA, DET or WAS for 4/200 or something.

I think all signs point to Minnesota trading Randle at the deadline so they get some assets back before they let him go in free agency.

I think it all depends on how Ant feels. Its his team and on social media he was trying to link up with Randle so idk maybe it all depends

Nah, it's 100% about the money. Ant LOVES Towns. If Julius is going to want $50M per, then they're probably right back in the same situation they were with KAT.

[E-Balla]

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You seem like you need a situation where you can be in control of the outcome.

No sign of Smash lately. IJS.

He's thinking about it. If he weren't I'd already be on blast.

I'm serious though - SIM GMs have been making moves with no regard for the SIM for a year now without anyone to rip them a new butthole. It's dire times.

I broke BaF? Lmao. I'm sure MPH got another ring though. Deep ass roster, if anyone knows the value of having a deep team it's his ass.

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[3toheadmelo]

kat's 29 in a month but he's gonna pass a lot more now, he's gonna play defense, i hear he's gonna start performing surgery at cornell weill too on his off days

And they say we the crazy ones lol

[Knicksfan1992]

kat's 29 in a month but he's gonna pass a lot more now, he's gonna play defense, i hear he's gonna start performing surgery at cornell weill too on his off days

Nobody (in good faith anyways) is arguing that KAT is going to transform his game just because he's joining the Knicks. The point of the trade, from the Knicks perspective, is that KAT's positives and flaws are better fits than Randle's are even if you think they're similar level of players. The added spacing as a big in and of itself is going to make life for Brunson, Hart and OG easier on offense.

I'm not the biggest fan of the trade because I think they overpaid a bit and KAT does have flaws you need to work around but arguing that KAT is a worse basketball fit than Randle is certainly a choice...

[F N 11]

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You think having a point guard not going to help Kat? The corpse of Mike Conley don’t count.

[Context]

EDIT: I'll throw Context in too I know that's his guy lol.

why are you throwing me in?

[E-Balla]

I still contend after Randle eventually signs his new deal KAT will be a more attractive piece in a future trade especially as the cap continues to rise. He is just a more seamless fit with the modern NBA. He has his quirks but I think most FO don't see KAT as a lose cannon as much as Randle. So I just feel in the future his contract will be more easier to move especially if he's player well here rather than Randles new extension contract.

Minny made there bed with the Gobert trade...if they tried to re-trade him there is zero chance they would re-coup even close to the draft equity they lost. So that made KAT's contract the odd man out now they need to pay NAW and Naz.

I think the position they were in with Ant Edwards contract kicking in along with McDaniels and still having Gobert...you got to make choices unless you are going to pay obscene tax which Minny clearly wasn't willing to do.

You're still comparing KAT to Randle. If that's the standard for this deal then sure I guess. To me the standard for this deal is did you give up positive assets for a positive asset. We gave up positive assets for a player the Wolves couldn't find any other suitors for because his contract is awful.

Minny didn't make **** with the Gobert trade, KAT is on the way out because for all the "modern NBA" talk Gobert fits the modern NBA way more. KAT is a tweener on defense, he's never won **** as the best player on a team and he's making $56 million a year. Nobody wants to give a player that's not even top 30 Steph, Embiid, and Jokic money with the current CBA and the 2nd apron. Besides his old agent apparently.

And for the second bold part I think Minny doesn't mind paying the tax. They mind paying the tax for a guy that's significantly less productive than NAW, Naz, and Donte combined. KAT the concept and KAT the player ain't the same. We've seen Minny without him for large parts of the last two seasons and last year they went 14-6 without him (a higher win percentage than with him), 2023 they went 15-14 with him and 27-26 without him (about even), and looking at his on off they've played +11.4 points per 100 better with him on the bench. Last year in the regular season they were +0.2 points per 100 better with him on the bench. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Naz is probably looking to get about 4/100 and he averaged 18/7/2 as a starter with similar percentages to KAT and slightly better defense IMO. He's just not that much better than guys that can be grabbed at half his cost, and it's not hard to find shooting PFs that can't protect the rim (which is what he is in Minny) so they cut bait.

Trust me, Naz is finna get a lot more than 4/100. Look at what iHart just got ($29 m per) and Naz is better.

Even IQ got more than $30 m’s per. I think 4/$120 is the starting point for Naz, maybe more. Dude may end up at like $35 or 36 per.

Hartenstein got that because OKC can spend it. IQ got 5/160 because he's young with upside (20/5/6 in Toronto and I think the best player in the trade). Who has the cap and need to throw that type of money at Naz? The Nets the only team I can think of.

OKC did it because they think it makes them contenders (it does, they're one of the best teams I've ever seen on paper right now).

[thebuzzardman]

Been away for an hour and 6 pages. Knicks get Kessler and/or Tre Murphy yet?

[DaGawd]

kat's 29 in a month but he's gonna pass a lot more now, he's gonna play defense, i hear he's gonna start performing surgery at cornell weill too on his off days

Nobody (in good faith anyways) is arguing that KAT is going to transform his game just because he's joining the Knicks. The point of the trade, from the Knicks perspective, is that KAT's positives and flaws are better fits than Randle's are even if you think they're similar level of players. The added spacing as a big in and of itself is going to make life for Brunson, Hart and OG easier on offense.

I'm not the biggest fan of the trade because I think they overpaid a bit and KAT does have flaws you need to work around but arguing that KAT is a worse basketball fit than Randle is certainly a choice...

this. mfers are looking at things way too black and white. it’s more nuisance to it than meets the eye, probably why you get so many varying views about who won the trade if anyone did

[Capn'O]

You seem like you need a situation where you can be in control of the outcome.

No sign of Smash lately. IJS.

He's thinking about it. If he weren't I'd already be on blast.

I'm serious though - SIM GMs have been making moves with no regard for the SIM for a year now without anyone to rip them a new butthole. It's dire times.

I broke BaF? Lmao. I'm sure MPH got another ring though. Deep ass roster, if anyone knows the value of having a deep team it's his ass.

He did

His bigs beat me like a drum in the playoffs. I made my choices in response. I live with those choices.

[Knicksfan1992]

Hot take: This all is stupid fighting and arguing because Brunson is currently a top 5-10 (at worst) player in the league. He can make almost any situation work at a high effin' level.

I love what Randle brought to the Knicks and appreciate him more than most but KAT is a much better big partner to work with Brunson IMO. I think if you're debating that you're moreso looking for a reason to hate the trade rather than giving objective analysis.

[KnixinSix]

Been away for an hour and 6 pages. Knicks get Kessler and/or Tre Murphy yet?

Knick Richards and Trey INCOMING!!!!