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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#341 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:28 pm

DOT wrote:I feel like you can't complain about KAT underperforming in the playoffs if you're mad we traded away the guy who has the worst FG% in the playoffs since the Truman administration.

Again talking about Randle to attempt to justify the trade.

Donte averaged 22.7 ppg with 4.4 3pm a game at 46% against the Pacers.

KAT's career high for a single playoff series is 21.8 ppg with 1.7 3pm at 46%.

So we downgraded without even mentioning Jules but ight.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#342 » by prophet_of_rage » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:29 pm

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NiceLikeChrist wrote:Blows my mind that people are still ignoring the fact that we very likely take the celtics 6 or 7 if we just have OG out there. Bottom line is that we traded away all our depth and picks for pieces we didn't really NEED. All we NEEDED was a center replacement for iHart after he left us for OKC and a secondary PG to facilitate things while Brunson rests

We didn't NEED mikal and we definitely didn't NEED kat. We were already a top 3 team in the league as is.
This is my feeling. I think we got too clever and also too bland. You're putting a lot on the shoulders of a 5'11 guy.

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KAT is bland and doesn't really have wiggle. We're assuming that people will send double teams at Jalen. I think they just put a tall defender on him and make him score tpugh baskets.

Nobody else needs a double team at all. Juliua required a double inside and that opened up a lot of people. Five out has been countered by people staying home. Boston's 5 out works because Jaylen and Tatum are big and have wiggle.



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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#343 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:30 pm

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Im Coming Home wrote:All this, except for the 'soft' part which I'd argue Randle is pretty 'soft' in his own right, mentality wise anyways, applies to Randle 10x more than Towns though.

At least Towns will try on defense, he won't just lazily walk around out there and then when the opponent scores shrug his shoulders or stare down his teammates like its their fault.

KAT played great this post season until Dallas as well. He was huge for them against the Nuggets.

Man please stop comparing him to Randle... We been through this already outside of Melo nobody here hates this trade because they like Randle.

???

The post you replied to was talking about comparing them and how you think one is better than the other, and you brought up points about KAT's negatives.. :lol:

So my point was those points all apply to Randle too, so its a moot point.

My reply was me literally saying it has nothing to do with Randle, so yes you replying by mentioning Randle, ignoring what I said completely, is going to get talked down on. Nobody cares about him, I wouldn't trade Donte and a first for him. Minny clearly values Donte and his contract over KAT I don't even think they resign Randle.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#344 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:32 pm

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people mad at something that's not even explainable. nobody has any idea what he's talking about. :lol:



I'm just so happy you have to do clean up for his social media stuff because he acts like a passive aggressive teenage girl, you get a glimpse into what it's like to be Kanye's PR manager, and I couldn't be happier. What a tremendous off-season.


i hope he does get traded to be honest. i want kat to have to try to play defense every night so i can laugh at the people who thought that would work. like you :D




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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#345 » by stuporman » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:32 pm

I think some of the negative feedback on this move is that the Knicks were so easy to love last season with how hard they played and wouldn't die, then added the final Novaboy so when they traded one of them away while brining in a guy who many view as a fake superstar the kneejerk reaction is to go back to the lolknicks attitude that was too easy to ride for a very long time.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#346 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:35 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:I'm not sure that is definitively true.

Per bball-ref he played 100% of his minutes at C in 2017-18 where they made the playoffs and led the West for a chunk of the season. Same in 2021-22 where they also made the playoffs.

Of course Minnesota's defense and record would be better by trading picks for Gobert. He's one of the best rim protectors in NBA history.

Lack of talent and poor management explained Minnesota's mediocrity to a large degree. Moreso than which position KAT played imo.

They never got past the first round with KAT at C. Their defensive ratings were in the lower end of the league when he played C. These aren’t good signs man.

What was their talent for all these years?

They didn't have Anthony Edwards or Rudy Gobert. Jimmy Butler got hurt in his only full season with the team. Otherwise their second-best player was Andrew Wiggins who was RJ Barretting his way to 20 ppg before going to Golden State, where he only gave a speck of effort for one season. D'Angelo Russell? A young Zach Lavine?

I agree that the defense will suffer with him playing the 5 but the offense will benefit greatly.

I guess we will see but I think Minnesota's lack of success had more to do with a general lack of talent than any positional issues with KAT. They were 3rd in the West when Butler got hurt before the playoffs, and KAT was playing the 5 then. I think a lot of Minnesota's issues were contextual. Think who they even traded Butler for - Saric, Bayless and Covington lol.


The Timberwolves had a much better net rating with KAT off the court even in the 2024 playoffs. Doesn’t really sound promising especially when he got benched a decent amount of times because Naz Reid was better.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#347 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:37 pm

E-Balla wrote:
DOT wrote:I feel like you can't complain about KAT underperforming in the playoffs if you're mad we traded away the guy who has the worst FG% in the playoffs since the Truman administration.

Again talking about Randle to attempt to justify the trade.

Donte averaged 22.7 ppg with 4.4 3pm a game at 46%.

KAT's career high for a single playoff series is 21.8 ppg with 1.7 3pm at 46%.

So we downgraded without even mentioning Jules but ight.

They all keep deflecting to Randle whenever we criticize KAT. It’s weird behavior.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#348 » by TheGreenArrow » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:37 pm

god shammgod wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
people mad at something that's not even explainable. nobody has any idea what he's talking about. :lol:



I'm just so happy you have to do clean up for his social media stuff because he acts like a passive aggressive teenage girl, you get a glimpse into what it's like to be Kanye's PR manager, and I couldn't be happier. What a tremendous off-season.


i hope he does get traded to be honest. i want kat to have to try to play defense every night so i can laugh at the people who thought that would work. like you :D


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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#349 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:37 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

I'm just so happy you have to do clean up for his social media stuff because he acts like a passive aggressive teenage girl, you get a glimpse into what it's like to be Kanye's PR manager, and I couldn't be happier. What a tremendous off-season.


i hope he does get traded to be honest. i want kat to have to try to play defense every night so i can laugh at the people who thought that would work. like you :D




You won't be laughing if he's traded, you'll throw on Flesh of my flesh blood of my blood and listen to Slippin for about 3 hours straight before trying to put on a brave face. I've already won, you in here fighting the good fight, it's over no matter what happens, your despair fuels me.

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#350 » by god shammgod » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:38 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

I'm just so happy you have to do clean up for his social media stuff because he acts like a passive aggressive teenage girl, you get a glimpse into what it's like to be Kanye's PR manager, and I couldn't be happier. What a tremendous off-season.


i hope he does get traded to be honest. i want kat to have to try to play defense every night so i can laugh at the people who thought that would work. like you :D




You won't be laughing if he's traded, you'll throw on Flesh of my flesh blood of my blood and listen to Slippin for about 3 hours straight before trying to put on a brave face. I've already won, you in here fighting the good fight, it's over no matter what happens, your despair fuels me.


:lol: nah, i think we need a defensive center badly but i'll feel relived that everyone will finally stop mentioning him to me.

i always do find it strange how people talk about players beyond what they do the court though. i don't like kat as a player but i'm not mad at him as a person. seems like a nice kid. that's weirdo behavior to me. i don't know these motherf*ckers to be mad at them like that :lol:
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Post#351 » by dukeknicksirish » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:39 pm

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#352 » by Guano » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:40 pm

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people mad at something that's not even explainable. nobody has any idea what he's talking about. :lol:



I'm just so happy you have to do clean up for his social media stuff because he acts like a passive aggressive teenage girl, you get a glimpse into what it's like to be Kanye's PR manager, and I couldn't be happier. What a tremendous off-season.


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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#353 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:40 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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DOT wrote:I feel like you can't complain about KAT underperforming in the playoffs if you're mad we traded away the guy who has the worst FG% in the playoffs since the Truman administration.

Again talking about Randle to attempt to justify the trade.

Donte averaged 22.7 ppg with 4.4 3pm a game at 46%.

KAT's career high for a single playoff series is 21.8 ppg with 1.7 3pm at 46%.

So we downgraded without even mentioning Jules but ight.

They all keep deflecting to Randle whenever we criticize KAT. It’s weird behavior.

Otherwise they'd have to admit they're cheering about paying $56 million for a guy that can't outproduce Donte offensively just because he's tall.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#354 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:41 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:Maybe we can bring back Okafor vs Towns debates :lol:

Obi is so bad as a backup that the pacers went and signed Okafor. Very sad folks. Leon fleeced.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#355 » by god shammgod » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:41 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

I'm just so happy you have to do clean up for his social media stuff because he acts like a passive aggressive teenage girl, you get a glimpse into what it's like to be Kanye's PR manager, and I couldn't be happier. What a tremendous off-season.


i hope he does get traded to be honest. i want kat to have to try to play defense every night so i can laugh at the people who thought that would work. like you :D


The Sham curse continues Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mitch is staying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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down goes nodope again :lol:

seriously, i just hope the kid can stay healthy finally. here or wherever.
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Post#356 » by K_ick_God » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:42 pm

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#357 » by E-Balla » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:43 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:Maybe we can bring back Okafor vs Towns debates :lol:

The Pacers gave Jahlil a training camp deal the other day oh ****. :lol:
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#358 » by god shammgod » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:45 pm

i don't want to be negative to you guys who like this. but the kat trade just seems bad. it really does. it reminds me of the old knicks that people laughed at. it seems like we didn't want to pay randle and we just took the only other guy we could get for him who could produce similarly and ignored all the downsides.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#359 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:46 pm

god shammgod wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
i hope he does get traded to be honest. i want kat to have to try to play defense every night so i can laugh at the people who thought that would work. like you :D


The Sham curse continues Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mitch is staying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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down goes nodope again :lol:

seriously, i just hope the kid can stay healthy finally. here or wherever.




It's over sham, it's already over. You on an emotional rollercoaster of highs and lows all in a span of minutes, now you're hoping he does get traded so the saga can end. Nah bro, I hope they drag this on all season and you got no choice but to maybe hope he doesn't get traded and then they rip it right away from you. 8-)


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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#360 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:47 pm

Guano wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
people mad at something that's not even explainable. nobody has any idea what he's talking about. :lol:



I'm just so happy you have to do clean up for his social media stuff because he acts like a passive aggressive teenage girl, you get a glimpse into what it's like to be Kanye's PR manager, and I couldn't be happier. What a tremendous off-season.


Sham seeing a notification from mitch's ig
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sham still got a blackplanet page to backup his myspace page, I'm shocked he even knows what IG is.

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