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sol537 wrote:1) Start Precious at the "4" next to KAT
2) Have Hart finish off both halves with the death line-up
3) Let Mitch get 110% healthy with our new health doc so he can play the Rudy Gobert role next to KAT
4) Evaluate the team for 1-2 months before the Feb deadline before making one final roster upgrade
No need to go crazy. We are in a great position.
Knicksfan1992 wrote:The Pels roster is so crazy imbalanced that I could see them doing something pretty crazy just to get Mitch in. That being said I don't think they would like to part with either Herb or Trey but they may just be desperate enough to try to balance the roster out a bit. Right now their best true big on the team is freakin Daniel Theis. Unless Missi really breaks out as a rookie opposing bigs are going to dominate them. They can't expect to make the playoffs in the West without any real NBA size outside of Zion.
I generally don't understand what Griffin has been cooking up down there now for 5 years. Like the general outline of it makes some sense but the actual moves have been kind of disastrous. Okay you got a bunch of "two way wings" but they couldn't play them all and most of them are too light to scale up on defense. They've never once given priority to getting a real PG next to Zion which seems like the most obvious position to prioritize given what Zion's skillset is. CJ McCollum is somehow still on this team. Then they make this pointless trade IMO for Dejounte who isn't really a PG and likes to have the ball in his hands a lot...Meanwhile Brandon Ingram doesn't want to be there either and he likes to have the ball in his hands. It's just all kind of a mess. They had Lonzo there and just let him walk (no they don't get credit for him randomly having his knee explode lol). Jrue Holiday was there and they let him walk.
I just think Griffin kind of stinks at actually building a roster out. He may be dumb enough to take advantage of in a trade.
sol537 wrote:1) Start Precious at the "4" next to KAT
2) Have Hart finish off both halves with the death line-up
3) Let Mitch get 110% healthy with our new health doc so he can play the Rudy Gobert role next to KAT
4) Evaluate the team for 1-2 months before the Feb deadline before making one final roster upgrade
No need to go crazy. We are in a great position.
BowlRips wrote:sol537 wrote:1) Start Precious at the "4" next to KAT
2) Have Hart finish off both halves with the death line-up
3) Let Mitch get 110% healthy with our new health doc so he can play the Rudy Gobert role next to KAT
4) Evaluate the team for 1-2 months before the Feb deadline before making one final roster upgrade
No need to go crazy. We are in a great position.
Murphy fits the bill as a Knicks potential acquisition, as we heard they wanted him desperately in the 2021 draft.
I know Pels could use a Center, but he only makes $5.1m next year, they would too need to add Hawkins and mins on on top as they are awfully close to the 1st apron.
Its far from ideal for them, so I imagine they would require attaching significant assets.
I think this is the most likely path, not necessarily starting Precious, but evaluating before you make a move.
We could assume the top 5 now are safe and Mitch is REALLY the only remaining salary slot we have.
See where the need is and where the market develops.
Aggregated with Precious, Dadiet, and any of the minimums, we could take back a range of salaries between 14 and 22m whether that is 1 player or 2.
Time is on our side here.
If I recall correctly, we were totally cool 5 days ago, barely having a center to start, but now its a perceived problem that the 8th and 9th men in the rotation is in flux.
Wildcat wrote:BowlRips wrote:sol537 wrote:1) Start Precious at the "4" next to KAT
2) Have Hart finish off both halves with the death line-up
3) Let Mitch get 110% healthy with our new health doc so he can play the Rudy Gobert role next to KAT
4) Evaluate the team for 1-2 months before the Feb deadline before making one final roster upgrade
No need to go crazy. We are in a great position.
Murphy fits the bill as a Knicks potential acquisition, as we heard they wanted him desperately in the 2021 draft.
I know Pels could use a Center, but he only makes $5.1m next year, they would too need to add Hawkins and mins on on top as they are awfully close to the 1st apron.
Its far from ideal for them, so I imagine they would require attaching significant assets.
I think this is the most likely path, not necessarily starting Precious, but evaluating before you make a move.
We could assume the top 5 now are safe and Mitch is REALLY the only remaining salary slot we have.
See where the need is and where the market develops.
Aggregated with Precious, Dadiet, and any of the minimums, we could take back a range of salaries between 14 and 22m whether that is 1 player or 2.
Time is on our side here.
If I recall correctly, we were totally cool 5 days ago, barely having a center to start, but now its a perceived problem that the 8th and 9th men in the rotation is in flux.
5 days ago the Knicks had a strong bench. Now we're talking about Hart to the starting lineup and you're already missing Divo, the Knicks are officially at the bench. Deuce, Precious, and Robinson is a weak bench when we were looking at Josh/Divo/Deuce/Robinson.
Wildcat wrote:BowlRips wrote:sol537 wrote:1) Start Precious at the "4" next to KAT
2) Have Hart finish off both halves with the death line-up
3) Let Mitch get 110% healthy with our new health doc so he can play the Rudy Gobert role next to KAT
4) Evaluate the team for 1-2 months before the Feb deadline before making one final roster upgrade
No need to go crazy. We are in a great position.
Murphy fits the bill as a Knicks potential acquisition, as we heard they wanted him desperately in the 2021 draft.
I know Pels could use a Center, but he only makes $5.1m next year, they would too need to add Hawkins and mins on on top as they are awfully close to the 1st apron.
Its far from ideal for them, so I imagine they would require attaching significant assets.
I think this is the most likely path, not necessarily starting Precious, but evaluating before you make a move.
We could assume the top 5 now are safe and Mitch is REALLY the only remaining salary slot we have.
See where the need is and where the market develops.
Aggregated with Precious, Dadiet, and any of the minimums, we could take back a range of salaries between 14 and 22m whether that is 1 player or 2.
Time is on our side here.
If I recall correctly, we were totally cool 5 days ago, barely having a center to start, but now its a perceived problem that the 8th and 9th men in the rotation is in flux.
5 days ago the Knicks had a strong bench. Now we're talking about Hart to the starting lineup and you're already missing Divo, the Knicks are officially at the bench. Deuce, Precious, and Robinson is a weak bench when we were looking at Josh/Divo/Deuce/Robinson.
BowlRips wrote:Wildcat wrote:BowlRips wrote:
Murphy fits the bill as a Knicks potential acquisition, as we heard they wanted him desperately in the 2021 draft.
I know Pels could use a Center, but he only makes $5.1m next year, they would too need to add Hawkins and mins on on top as they are awfully close to the 1st apron.
Its far from ideal for them, so I imagine they would require attaching significant assets.
I think this is the most likely path, not necessarily starting Precious, but evaluating before you make a move.
We could assume the top 5 now are safe and Mitch is REALLY the only remaining salary slot we have.
See where the need is and where the market develops.
Aggregated with Precious, Dadiet, and any of the minimums, we could take back a range of salaries between 14 and 22m whether that is 1 player or 2.
Time is on our side here.
If I recall correctly, we were totally cool 5 days ago, barely having a center to start, but now its a perceived problem that the 8th and 9th men in the rotation is in flux.
5 days ago the Knicks had a strong bench. Now we're talking about Hart to the starting lineup and you're already missing Divo, the Knicks are officially at the bench. Deuce, Precious, and Robinson is a weak bench when we were looking at Josh/Divo/Deuce/Robinson.
They lost 1 player. Randle was replaced by KAT.
He was great in his role, but at the end of the day he was a 6th/7th man on this version of the team.
Deuce is good enough to fill his minutes on a consistent basis.
They'll shop Robinson eventually to find a better fit for that salary slot, but there is absolutely no rush.
sol537 wrote:Wildcat wrote:BowlRips wrote:
Murphy fits the bill as a Knicks potential acquisition, as we heard they wanted him desperately in the 2021 draft.
I know Pels could use a Center, but he only makes $5.1m next year, they would too need to add Hawkins and mins on on top as they are awfully close to the 1st apron.
Its far from ideal for them, so I imagine they would require attaching significant assets.
I think this is the most likely path, not necessarily starting Precious, but evaluating before you make a move.
We could assume the top 5 now are safe and Mitch is REALLY the only remaining salary slot we have.
See where the need is and where the market develops.
Aggregated with Precious, Dadiet, and any of the minimums, we could take back a range of salaries between 14 and 22m whether that is 1 player or 2.
Time is on our side here.
If I recall correctly, we were totally cool 5 days ago, barely having a center to start, but now its a perceived problem that the 8th and 9th men in the rotation is in flux.
5 days ago the Knicks had a strong bench. Now we're talking about Hart to the starting lineup and you're already missing Divo, the Knicks are officially at the bench. Deuce, Precious, and Robinson is a weak bench when we were looking at Josh/Divo/Deuce/Robinson.
A bench of Hart, McBride and (eventually) Mitch Robinson is actually one of the stronger benches out there... if we start Precious. Then guys like Kolek, Payne, Shamet, Sims can also be leaned on. We have, at worst, an adequate bench which can be upgraded by the trade deadline.
Knicksfan1992 wrote:The Pels roster is so crazy imbalanced that I could see them doing something pretty crazy just to get Mitch in. That being said I don't think they would like to part with either Herb or Trey but they may just be desperate enough to try to balance the roster out a bit. Right now their best true big on the team is freakin Daniel Theis
I generally don't understand what Griffin has been cooking up down there now for 5 years. Like the general outline of it makes some sense but the actual moves have been kind of disastrous. Okay you got a bunch of "two way wings" but they couldn't play them all and most of them are too light to scale up on defense. They've never once given priority to getting a real PG next to Zion which seems like the most obvious position to prioritize given what Zion's skillset is. CJ McCollum is somehow still on this team. Then they make this pointless trade IMO for Dejounte who isn't really a PG and likes to have the ball in his hands a lot...Meanwhile Brandon Ingram doesn't want to be there either and he likes to have the ball in his hands. It's just all kind of a mess. They had Lonzo there and just let him walk (no they don't get credit for him randomly having his knee explode lol). Jrue Holiday was there and they let him walk.
I just think Griffin kind of stinks at actually building a roster out. He may be dumb enough to take advantage of in a trade.
Wildcat wrote:sol537 wrote:Wildcat wrote:
5 days ago the Knicks had a strong bench. Now we're talking about Hart to the starting lineup and you're already missing Divo, the Knicks are officially at the bench. Deuce, Precious, and Robinson is a weak bench when we were looking at Josh/Divo/Deuce/Robinson.
A bench of Hart, McBride and (eventually) Mitch Robinson is actually one of the stronger benches out there... if we start Precious. Then guys like Kolek, Payne, Shamet, Sims can also be leaned on. We have, at worst, an adequate bench which can be upgraded by the trade deadline.
Until I hear otherwise, Hart is starting, so their bench is Deuce/Robinson/Precious and whoever is fighting for that 9th spot. That is significantly weaker than what we had projected last week. This is not something open to debate.
WaltFrazier wrote:Polk377 wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:If Mitch gets traded for a non center the team is back to being small. Mitch is needed to play Embiid in the playoffs and to give the option of going big or small. I wouldn't want him traded for a 6'8 forward. For a 7 footer like to Kessler would be different
Having 3 6'7-6'8 wings in the same lineup does not make you a small team. Especially when your C is still 7'0 tall and a floor spacer.
If Sims takes a huge leap forward then I'll agree, but otherwise I believe a team needs a true back-up C who can step in for an injured starter. Like iHart did last season
R-DAWG wrote:Wildcat wrote:sol537 wrote:
A bench of Hart, McBride and (eventually) Mitch Robinson is actually one of the stronger benches out there... if we start Precious. Then guys like Kolek, Payne, Shamet, Sims can also be leaned on. We have, at worst, an adequate bench which can be upgraded by the trade deadline.
Until I hear otherwise, Hart is starting, so their bench is Deuce/Robinson/Precious and whoever is fighting for that 9th spot. That is significantly weaker than what we had projected last week. This is not something open to debate.
You need 8 playoff guys, a 9th guy for the regular season, and insurance for Mitch/OG. Who starts is less important.
Right now NY has 7 playoff guys - Brunson, Towns, Bridges, Anunoby, Hart, Robinson, McBride
The 9th guy - who’s a 15-20 MPG regular season guy who falls out of the playoff rotation - is a competition between Landry Shamet and Dadiet. Not great but with the top end talent on the roster it’s fine.
Precious is fine as a regular season innings eater when Mitch and OG miss games. Both guys need to be healthy in the playoffs for NY to have a run.
In summary, NY is one playoff guy short of having a complete rotation
R-DAWG wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:The Pels roster is so crazy imbalanced that I could see them doing something pretty crazy just to get Mitch in. That being said I don't think they would like to part with either Herb or Trey but they may just be desperate enough to try to balance the roster out a bit. Right now their best true big on the team is freakin Daniel Theis
I generally don't understand what Griffin has been cooking up down there now for 5 years. Like the general outline of it makes some sense but the actual moves have been kind of disastrous. Okay you got a bunch of "two way wings" but they couldn't play them all and most of them are too light to scale up on defense. They've never once given priority to getting a real PG next to Zion which seems like the most obvious position to prioritize given what Zion's skillset is. CJ McCollum is somehow still on this team. Then they make this pointless trade IMO for Dejounte who isn't really a PG and likes to have the ball in his hands a lot...Meanwhile Brandon Ingram doesn't want to be there either and he likes to have the ball in his hands. It's just all kind of a mess. They had Lonzo there and just let him walk (no they don't get credit for him randomly having his knee explode lol). Jrue Holiday was there and they let him walk.
I just think Griffin kind of stinks at actually building a roster out. He may be dumb enough to take advantage of in a trade.
I feel like Mitch to New Orleans only makes sense as a larger Brandon Ingram trade. Hard to see the money work elsewhere.
Wildcat wrote:sol537 wrote:Wildcat wrote:
5 days ago the Knicks had a strong bench. Now we're talking about Hart to the starting lineup and you're already missing Divo, the Knicks are officially at the bench. Deuce, Precious, and Robinson is a weak bench when we were looking at Josh/Divo/Deuce/Robinson.
A bench of Hart, McBride and (eventually) Mitch Robinson is actually one of the stronger benches out there... if we start Precious. Then guys like Kolek, Payne, Shamet, Sims can also be leaned on. We have, at worst, an adequate bench which can be upgraded by the trade deadline.
Until I hear otherwise, Hart is starting, so their bench is Deuce/Robinson/Precious and whoever is fighting for that 9th spot. That is significantly weaker than what we had projected last week. This is not something open to debate.
Polk377 wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:Polk377 wrote:If we are getting Jones or Murphy, I would give them Dadiet as an incentive. They don't have to give him minutes right away and can develop him into maybe another Murphy or Jones.
I’d like to hold onto Dadiet and there is not a big rush with trading Mitch. Let’s see how spelling KAT at the 5 (at times) with Precious, Hukporti and Jericho works. We don’t have many picks going forward and developing Dadiet as a wing (with OG’s injury problems) is important.
This is it for the Knicks. We have a 3-4 year window with how the team is built. If you can get an elite defensive wing in his prime right now to push us up than we do it. Dadiet could be great or he could be Frank 2.0. You don't hold him to find out.
KnixinSix wrote:R-DAWG wrote:Wildcat wrote:
Until I hear otherwise, Hart is starting, so their bench is Deuce/Robinson/Precious and whoever is fighting for that 9th spot. That is significantly weaker than what we had projected last week. This is not something open to debate.
You need 8 playoff guys, a 9th guy for the regular season, and insurance for Mitch/OG. Who starts is less important.
Right now NY has 7 playoff guys - Brunson, Towns, Bridges, Anunoby, Hart, Robinson, McBride
The 9th guy - who’s a 15-20 MPG regular season guy who falls out of the playoff rotation - is a competition between Landry Shamet and Dadiet. Not great but with the top end talent on the roster it’s fine.
Precious is fine as a regular season innings eater when Mitch and OG miss games. Both guys need to be healthy in the playoffs for NY to have a run.
In summary, NY is one playoff guy short of having a complete rotation
When those are your top 7 Precious and Payne are more than fine. Morris might be re-signed too.
ScienceOfLosing wrote:Polk377 wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:
I’d like to hold onto Dadiet and there is not a big rush with trading Mitch. Let’s see how spelling KAT at the 5 (at times) with Precious, Hukporti and Jericho works. We don’t have many picks going forward and developing Dadiet as a wing (with OG’s injury problems) is important.
This is it for the Knicks. We have a 3-4 year window with how the team is built. If you can get an elite defensive wing in his prime right now to push us up than we do it. Dadiet could be great or he could be Frank 2.0. You don't hold him to find out.
We can’t pay Murphy. You want to trade for him as a rental???
We would need to move more to free up salary.
sol537 wrote:1) Start Precious at the "4" next to KAT
2) Have Hart finish off both halves with the death line-up
3) Let Mitch get 110% healthy with our new health doc so he can play the Rudy Gobert role next to KAT
4) Evaluate the team for 1-2 months before the Feb deadline before making one final roster upgrade
No need to go crazy. We are in a great position.
KnixinSix wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:Polk377 wrote:This is it for the Knicks. We have a 3-4 year window with how the team is built. If you can get an elite defensive wing in his prime right now to push us up than we do it. Dadiet could be great or he could be Frank 2.0. You don't hold him to find out.
We can’t pay Murphy. You want to trade for him as a rental???
We would need to move more to free up salary.
His qualifying offer is 7.3M he can play on that next year. So you get him for 2 years.