KAT To The Knicks Part 2

[Wildcat]

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He had to go. It was like walking on eggshells around this dude. Chemistry will be a lot better.

I'm gonna side with his teammates on this one. We've seen time after time these guys have gone to bat for this dude. Even today. For all accounts, he was beloved in that locker room.

[Guano]

if we didnt lose Donte this trade could been a landslide win

The loss of white donte is being overblown. While I get it sucks losing a player you like it will have little to no impact on the teams success.

He's one of the 5 biggest spot up threats in the league and when Randle went out he averaged 21/4/3 on 58 TS% when Randle was out (4.6/12 from deep per night!) and averaged 18 PPG in the playoffs on 56 TS% while maintaining his overall efficiency (his turnovers were down in the playoffs so he had a 120 ORTG in both the playoffs and regular season).

It cannot be understated how much losing Donte brings our offense back. The only players over him in expected points off spot up attempts (which takes efficiency and volume into account to determine how many points the player contributed above the median player) are PG13, Norman Powell, CJ McCollum, and Jalen Brunson.

It really can't be understated how much having 2 of the 5 most dangerous spot up threats carried our offense and made things easy for people and the idea of a 5 out offense with Josh Hart at the 2 instead of Donte is laughable. Maybe we'll have the use Deuce, but last year is by far his best season spotting up can he recreate that?

Also I'll mention this again, Donte scored more PPG against Indy than KAT has ever scored against anybody in the playoffs at 1/5th of his cost. There's a reason Minny wanted him, and it's because when you take contracts into account he's the most valuable player in the deal. Minny has a great squad now.

Idk how much thibs is going to lean into that 5 out stuff with the big purr as a C. If mitch comes back or we land a legit C we are prolly seeing a lot of mikal at the 2 spot. if 5 out is happening Hart is going to be important for rebounding.

Donte shot lights out last year. I just think with the addition of the big purr and mikal that will not drop off. He wasn't a great perimeter defender and Deuce will do better there. I just don't see his production being missed with how this team is constructed.

That said, he was on a great deal. And including him in this trade kinda sucks cause it takes away some depth. But I just don't think he was a needle mover.

[Im Coming Home]

Like goddamn let's discuss Karl-Anthony Towns. The man making $224 million the next 4 years. The subject of the thread. Not the guy who was on the bench half of last season.

Subject of the thread is the Randle/Divo for KAT trade. This isn't a KAT only discussion thread genius.

Be man enough to type direct rebuttals instead of doing the hoe **** next time.

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I'm responding to multiple posts, so I didn't bother quoting multiple posts. People can read broski. I'm clearly not scared to call people out here, why would I suddenly be scared to do so with you bro when I've quoted you multiple times?

[Im Coming Home]

This **** ain't even on the team man stop talking about him unless y'all wanted to give him $56 million to be our starting C for the next 4 years.

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Its in rebuttal to all the KAT defense questions, people acting like we replaced a lockdown defender in Randle, with a turnstile in KAT, most stats show both are bad defenders but Randle is a lot worse.

Enough with trying to police people discussing the two major pieces in the TRADE thread.

I posted some clips about KAT's defense. You said "since we wanna post KAT defense clips as if Randle..." And right there I stopped reading because I didn't post clips because of Randle. The clips I sent had nothing to do with Randle. Stop deflecting. That **** not on the team.

And if you're going to post **** in direct responses to me don't get mad I tell you you're deflecting and posting nonsense when you are. Nobody said Randle was a good defender in here. Nobody implied it. Randle being a bad defender doesn't make KAT more worth $56 million a year.

It is implied. People bringing up KATs defense as if Randle wasn't worse, is very very stupid since they were directly replaced for eachother, so again its not like our defense is going to take a hit because of KAT vs Randle. Also the money LITERALLY DOESN'T MATTER. KAT or Randle we'd be capped out for the foreseeable future, difference is KAT is locked in to a longer deal, Randle could've walked for nothing and we'd still be capped out, so we'd literally have no way to improve the team further, where as KAT now allows us to lock in our top 6 basically for the next 3-4 years and make small incremental improvements.

[Iron Mantis]

I guess if KAT doesn't have the right 'hard' make up to handle NY I'm going to need that compilation video filled of him feuding with an arena full of fans, teammates, assistant coaches, random electronic devices so I have it ready for reference material...thanks in advance...I'll wait.

Listen, Randle can shoot someone on 5th ave rn and he will not lose a single supporter

Randle stans are often misunderstood.

The raw, palpable emotion of this video will help you understand better the type of relationship they had with Randle.

[god shammgod]

being bad at defense while playing center is very different than being bad at defense while playing the 4

[NYKinMIA]

in the distant future, when you're men, you'll wonder why you have arthritic hands.

remember this thread and be not sad. you showed everyone the error of their ways.

[Im Coming Home]

being bad at defense while playing center is very different than being bad at defense while playing the 4

Good thing both would've been asked to play the 5 this season. You can play KAT next to anyone you would've played Randle next to as well. Difference is KAT can actually play the 5, where as Randle we didn't know.

[E-Balla]

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It's funny because I've got hella clips of terrible KAT defense in my bookmarks I've been collecting for 8 years. He's so awful it's actually fascinating to watch. Never expected us to trade for him especially not with Thibs coaching.

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2017? KAT in 2017 on defense was a very different player than KAT in 2024 . Players grow and often improve, he has especially on defense

KAT's worst defensive season is 2021. The last 2 seasons he's been at PF with Gobert helping him but the Nuggets did a lot of inverted pick and rolls to take advantage of his lack of awareness of the rim on defense.

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Basically his whole career it's been the same story, if the play isn't in front of him it isn't happening. For a PG, SG, SF, and PF that can be acceptable but a C needs awareness of the rim at all times.

All players have strengths and weaknesses. This is KAT's. As the back line of a defense he's food. Let's see how Thibs makes this work maybe we get a C to play behind him and Thibs hides KAT like he hid Boozer.

[sol537]

1) Start Precious at the "4" next to KAT
2) Have Hart finish off both halves with the death line-up
3) Let Mitch get 110% healthy with our new health doc so he can play the Rudy Gobert role next to KAT
4) Evaluate the full team for 1-2 months before the Feb deadline before making one final roster upgrade

No need to go crazy. We are in a great, great position.

[Knick4Real]

Give it a rest bozo. Randle is gone. See ya. Go to the T-Wolves board now instead of hating on the newest Knick who's a better player than your favorite player is.

Bro has just been crashing out for 2 days now.

Idk if it’s trolling or crashing out.

its both, he's trying to troll, failing because no matter what 'Randle was traded' tops any trolling he could do, but at the same time losing his mind because the thing he claimed would never happen(Randle being traded away) happened. He's spent the last half a season or so trolling people who liked RJ more than Randle and how he got traded and 'now the team is finally ready to compete, the cause of all the Knicks problems are gone, the cancer is gone' etc only to watch Randle get injured, RJ flourish in Toronto, Randle never play again in a Knick uniform for the rest of the season and then get traded in the offseason so he's very upset right now.

[E-Balla]

The loss of white donte is being overblown. While I get it sucks losing a player you like it will have little to no impact on the teams success.

He's one of the 5 biggest spot up threats in the league and when Randle went out he averaged 21/4/3 on 58 TS% when Randle was out (4.6/12 from deep per night!) and averaged 18 PPG in the playoffs on 56 TS% while maintaining his overall efficiency (his turnovers were down in the playoffs so he had a 120 ORTG in both the playoffs and regular season).

It cannot be understated how much losing Donte brings our offense back. The only players over him in expected points off spot up attempts (which takes efficiency and volume into account to determine how many points the player contributed above the median player) are PG13, Norman Powell, CJ McCollum, and Jalen Brunson.

It really can't be understated how much having 2 of the 5 most dangerous spot up threats carried our offense and made things easy for people and the idea of a 5 out offense with Josh Hart at the 2 instead of Donte is laughable. Maybe we'll have the use Deuce, but last year is by far his best season spotting up can he recreate that?

Also I'll mention this again, Donte scored more PPG against Indy than KAT has ever scored against anybody in the playoffs at 1/5th of his cost. There's a reason Minny wanted him, and it's because when you take contracts into account he's the most valuable player in the deal. Minny has a great squad now.

Idk how much thibs is going to lean into that 5 out stuff with the big purr as a C. If mitch comes back or we land a legit C we are prolly seeing a lot of mikal at the 2 spot. if 5 out is happening Hart is going to be important for rebounding.

Donte shot lights out last year. I just think with the addition of the big purr and mikal that will not drop off. He wasn't a great perimeter defender and Deuce will do better there. I just don't see his production being missed with how this team is constructed.

That said, he was on a great deal. And including him in this trade kinda sucks cause it takes away some depth. But I just don't think he was a needle mover.

I get that... He was certainly the needle mover for Minny and I think their FO made the right call here. Donte is going to be a 18-20 point scorer for them I think.

[E-Balla]

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Its in rebuttal to all the KAT defense questions, people acting like we replaced a lockdown defender in Randle, with a turnstile in KAT, most stats show both are bad defenders but Randle is a lot worse.

Enough with trying to police people discussing the two major pieces in the TRADE thread.

I posted some clips about KAT's defense. You said "since we wanna post KAT defense clips as if Randle..." And right there I stopped reading because I didn't post clips because of Randle. The clips I sent had nothing to do with Randle. Stop deflecting. That **** not on the team.

And if you're going to post **** in direct responses to me don't get mad I tell you you're deflecting and posting nonsense when you are. Nobody said Randle was a good defender in here. Nobody implied it. Randle being a bad defender doesn't make KAT more worth $56 million a year.

It is implied. People bringing up KATs defense as if Randle wasn't worse, is very very stupid since they were directly replaced for eachother, so again its not like our defense is going to take a hit because of KAT vs Randle. Also the money LITERALLY DOESN'T MATTER. KAT or Randle we'd be capped out for the foreseeable future, difference is KAT is locked in to a longer deal, Randle could've walked for nothing and we'd still be capped out, so we'd literally have no way to improve the team further, where as KAT now allows us to lock in our top 6 basically for the next 3-4 years and make small incremental improvements.

It is not implied. Randle was a PF. KAT is playing C for us. And I been saying Randle walking > giving KAT $224 million with the new cap rules and the 2nd apron. Under the old CBA id agree with you, under this CBA where now we gotta move Mitch to stay under the 2nd apron after making this trade nah. We can't make small incremental improvements. The 2nd apron is clapping all that.

We have to trade Mitch to make this work (we do) that's why I'm evaluating KAT's defense as a C.

[E-Balla]

being bad at defense while playing center is very different than being bad at defense while playing the 4

Good thing both would've been asked to play the 5 this season. You can play KAT next to anyone you would've played Randle next to as well. Difference is KAT can actually play the 5, where as Randle we didn't know.

Randle wasn't playing the 5. Thibs would rather call Taj Gibson to suit up than play Randle at the 5 we know this because he did it last year.

[HerSports85]

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[3toheadmelo]

This **** ain't even on the team man stop talking about him unless y'all wanted to give him $56 million to be our starting C for the next 4 years.

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Its in rebuttal to all the KAT defense questions, people acting like we replaced a lockdown defender in Randle, with a turnstile in KAT, most stats show both are bad defenders but Randle is a lot worse.

Enough with trying to police people discussing the two major pieces in the TRADE thread.

I posted some clips about KAT's defense. You said "since we wanna post KAT defense clips as if Randle..." And right there I stopped reading because I didn't post clips because of Randle. The clips I sent had nothing to do with Randle. Stop deflecting. That **** not on the team.

And if you're going to post **** in direct responses to me don't get mad I tell you you're deflecting and posting nonsense when you are. Nobody said Randle was a good defender in here. Nobody implied it. Randle being a bad defender doesn't make KAT more worth $56 million a year.

Ignore him fam. He’s the king of sneak dissing and deflecting. A top tier clown that no one takes seriously around here.

[E-Balla]

Subject of the thread is the Randle/Divo for KAT trade. This isn't a KAT only discussion thread genius.

Be man enough to type direct rebuttals instead of doing the hoe **** next time.

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I'm responding to multiple posts, so I didn't bother quoting multiple posts. People can read broski. I'm clearly not scared to call people out here, why would I suddenly be scared to do so with you bro when I've quoted you multiple times?

Nobody else posted clips of KAT's defense but sure multiple posts.

[3toheadmelo]

being bad at defense while playing center is very different than being bad at defense while playing the 4

You can tell who knows ball or not around here.

[E-Balla]

?????

Its in rebuttal to all the KAT defense questions, people acting like we replaced a lockdown defender in Randle, with a turnstile in KAT, most stats show both are bad defenders but Randle is a lot worse.

Enough with trying to police people discussing the two major pieces in the TRADE thread.

I posted some clips about KAT's defense. You said "since we wanna post KAT defense clips as if Randle..." And right there I stopped reading because I didn't post clips because of Randle. The clips I sent had nothing to do with Randle. Stop deflecting. That **** not on the team.

And if you're going to post **** in direct responses to me don't get mad I tell you you're deflecting and posting nonsense when you are. Nobody said Randle was a good defender in here. Nobody implied it. Randle being a bad defender doesn't make KAT more worth $56 million a year.

Ignore him fam. He’s the king of sneak dissing and deflecting. A top tier clown that no one takes seriously around here.

That's a little far.

But he's not slick. I know he thinks he is but that's twice he's directly responded to be by bringing up Randle while refusing to quote me. Talking about multiple people when it's one **** posting clips. **** please.

[mpharris36]

being bad at defense while playing center is very different than being bad at defense while playing the 4

prior to the trade who was going to be playing the 5 with mitch out for months?