What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team?

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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#81 » by Klomp » Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:53 pm

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shrink wrote:Dallas/Fort Worth is the fifth the largest DMA in the United States, and McMahon has a national stage. I don’t think you are seeing typical small market coverage “all the time” watching the Mavs.

And I’m not sure I believe the assumption that local coverage is inherently biased. I’m in Minnesota, whose market is a third the size of LA, but three times bigger than teams like OKC, MEM, UTA, and SA. The Wolves longtime color man Jim Peterson is frequently critical of the team, and he’s had plenty to criticize over the last couple of decades. Meanwhile, national reporters don’t come to Minnesota (“bring your ass, Barkey”), and no reporter here has a national voice like McMahon. National sources, even the Athletic, generally interview Jon Krawcinski, who I agree probably spins things towards management. Ergo, the national media doesn’t often have a good picture on the Wolves, either because they don’t get the right sources, and/or are too lazy to investigate themselves.

I understand the need for balance between local fans that might be too homer, and national fans who may be less biased, but aren’t getting great info nationally to form good opinions. This balance is one of my favorite parts of the RealGM community. The truth often lies between these two positions.


Wolves will get national coverage soon because of Ant, Dallas simply got coverage because Dirk then Luka, Cuban also made sure to put Dallas basketball on the map in the early 00s with his loud mouth and brazen tactics.
Beat writers have to meet the personnel every game they travel with them, they have to tame their criticism, even popular podcasts, have to toe the line to get media access, that's not to day they don't criticize the team, but it takes a lot, for example, 22-23 was a complete disaster for the Mavs, you didn't get any peep in the local media about what went wrong, 24 was obviousely a massive success, but if you listen to local media, you won't necessarily know that Mavs paid huge price for the roster overhaul and lost control of their draft for 4 years, while national podcast the the Hoop collective will certainly say this.
Speaking of national podcast, the Hoop collective, to emphasize my point, Tim Bontemps is a straight shooter when it comes to 29 teams in the league, he doesn't sugarcoat anything, with the Sixers he tones it down and goes out of this way to complement them, I'm sure the fact it's his own turf and needing to keep good connections plays a big part in that.

Don't forget though, at least for now we also get the Gobert and Towns hot takes garbage. So I wouldn't call the national takes as unbiased quite yet.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#82 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:21 pm

He is Canadian, therefore the Raptors are interested and will pay a premium.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#83 » by Klomp » Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:40 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:He is Canadian, therefore the Raptors are interested and will pay a premium.

This one's pretty good.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#84 » by Klomp » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:24 pm

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I think it's important to establish the "3 bigs" look for the Wolves is not a "3 centers" look.

Naz hasn't played like a center in years. And even when he has actually been asked to play center during his career, he hasn't been good at it -- terrible in drop coverage; doesn't set good screens (very good at popping or slipping, but not at creating advantages for teammates); poor rebounder (until last year when *tah dah!* he stopped playing center).

(I remember asking him his rookie year about playing center, and he said this was the first team he had ever played on in his life that asked him to play 5.)

To me, this was a misdiagnosis of position from Day 1 due to his body fat% coming out of the draft (highest in his draft class). I think the dude has been a stretch/playmaking forward his whole career. And his body has now come around to match that (he told me last year he's down 45 pounds from his first summer league).

The guy is and always has been more of a weapon on the wing -- as a quick decision-maker (embodies ".5-second mentality"); as a shooter (shot a higher volume from 3 but the same % as KAT last year); as a downhill rim threat (obviously -- handles, jelly, dunks, etc); actually as a really strong passer, too, from a skill level standpoint -- you can tell he played QB in high school -- problem with his playmaking is and has always been turnovers; and also as a perimeter defender -- this is his most under-recognized skill, I think -- he's been moving his feet guarding wings *well* for multiple years (that's not new, btw), especially in isolation.

To me, it is so clear that Naz Reid is more of a 3 than he is a 5 -- even if his best position is 4. And to that end I think there's nothing crazy about the idea of playing Rudy, KAT and Naz all at the same time often. If you can play Rudy and KAT together, you can play all three together.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#85 » by Dthrill55 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:44 pm

They think Sabonis is a negative player, especially in the playoffs
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#86 » by penbeast0 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:23 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:He is Canadian, therefore the Raptors are interested and will pay a premium.


Kuzma's looking around for a national team to play for....
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#87 » by Duffman100 » Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:59 pm

That so much that went wrong the Raps the last 3 years was their lack of a bench. The starters of Pascal, Fred, OG, Barnes, Trent (and then Poeltl) were actually quite a positive. It was that we got trounced when the bench came in. The ceiling of the team was still limited however.

A lot of that lack of bench depth was due to the championship hangover and a lot of the assets we had to give up to get the chip.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#88 » by Klomp » Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:03 pm

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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#89 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:29 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:He is Canadian, therefore the Raptors are interested and will pay a premium.


It's cute you are pretending still they don't want to trade 2 firsts for native son and national team stalwart, Dwight Powell.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#90 » by Morris_Shatford » Tue Oct 1, 2024 4:35 pm

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Morris_Shatford wrote:He is Canadian, therefore the Raptors are interested and will pay a premium.


It's cute you are pretending still they don't want to trade 2 firsts for native son and national team stalwart, Dwight Powell.


He is available???????
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#91 » by Bornstellar » Tue Oct 1, 2024 8:27 pm

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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#92 » by Klomp » Tue Oct 1, 2024 8:32 pm

New one...

Somehow, after a team that was in the Western Conference Finals traded someone with per-100 3-point shooting numbers of 3.3-8.0 (.416) for someone with per-100 3-point shooting numbers of 6.0-15.1 (.400), the national media believes that floor spacing will be a problem that won't allow the team to be competitive.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#93 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Oct 1, 2024 9:15 pm

Klomp wrote:New one...

Somehow, after a team that was in the Western Conference Finals traded someone with per-100 3-point shooting numbers of 3.3-8.0 (.416) for someone with per-100 3-point shooting numbers of 6.0-15.1 (.400), the national media believes that floor spacing will be a problem that won't allow the team to be competitive.


This post doesn't really capture what people are saying. KAT's minutes will presumably go to Randle. That is the downgrade in shooting people are talking about.

DDV figures to take Kyle Anderson's vacated minutes mostly where he will be a big upgrade in shooting. But presumably he won't be in their closing lineup (Conley/Ant/McDaniels/Randle/Gobert) when they put their best 5 out there. Having Randle in that lineup vs. KAT is a real downgrade in shooting. That's what people are worried about. The spacing in their starting/best 5 lineups is the concern. DDV will fill in really well around those guys (as will Reid, NAW) but come playoff time the importance of that starting and/or best 5 lineup becomes more important with shortened rotations and extended minutes for your best players.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#94 » by gswhoops » Wed Oct 2, 2024 6:20 pm

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Klomp wrote:New one...

Somehow, after a team that was in the Western Conference Finals traded someone with per-100 3-point shooting numbers of 3.3-8.0 (.416) for someone with per-100 3-point shooting numbers of 6.0-15.1 (.400), the national media believes that floor spacing will be a problem that won't allow the team to be competitive.


This post doesn't really capture what people are saying. KAT's minutes will presumably go to Randle. That is the downgrade in shooting people are talking about.

DDV figures to take Kyle Anderson's vacated minutes mostly where he will be a big upgrade in shooting. But presumably he won't be in their closing lineup (Conley/Ant/McDaniels/Randle/Gobert) when they put their best 5 out there. Having Randle in that lineup vs. KAT is a real downgrade in shooting. That's what people are worried about. The spacing in their starting/best 5 lineups is the concern. DDV will fill in really well around those guys (as will Reid, NAW) but come playoff time the importance of that starting and/or best 5 lineup becomes more important with shortened rotations and extended minutes for your best players.

Are we sure Randle is going to be in their closing 5 though? I could see Naz or DDV in there depending on matchups. More shooting + defense.

If I were Minnesota I'd probably make Randle a nominal "starter" who was the first guy subbed out and use him mostly to beat up on second units/run the offense when Ant rests.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#95 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Oct 2, 2024 7:28 pm

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Klomp wrote:New one...

Somehow, after a team that was in the Western Conference Finals traded someone with per-100 3-point shooting numbers of 3.3-8.0 (.416) for someone with per-100 3-point shooting numbers of 6.0-15.1 (.400), the national media believes that floor spacing will be a problem that won't allow the team to be competitive.


This post doesn't really capture what people are saying. KAT's minutes will presumably go to Randle. That is the downgrade in shooting people are talking about.

DDV figures to take Kyle Anderson's vacated minutes mostly where he will be a big upgrade in shooting. But presumably he won't be in their closing lineup (Conley/Ant/McDaniels/Randle/Gobert) when they put their best 5 out there. Having Randle in that lineup vs. KAT is a real downgrade in shooting. That's what people are worried about. The spacing in their starting/best 5 lineups is the concern. DDV will fill in really well around those guys (as will Reid, NAW) but come playoff time the importance of that starting and/or best 5 lineup becomes more important with shortened rotations and extended minutes for your best players.

Are we sure Randle is going to be in their closing 5 though? I could see Naz or DDV in there depending on matchups. More shooting + defense.

If I were Minnesota I'd probably make Randle a nominal "starter" who was the first guy subbed out and use him mostly to beat up on second units/run the offense when Ant rests.


That's fair. Not playing Randle to close games might create an untenable situation though with his status as an all NBA guy. But even ignoring that, even if it fixes the shooting drop-off from KAT, now they've introduced the new issue of not having a legit #2 scorer out there with Ant to close games. None of Gobert/Reid/Conley/DDV/McDaniels are legit #2 scorers for a team's closing lineup. Teams will be able to make things tough on Ant without fear of anyone else really stressing them with the ball in their hands at that level. (I'm not saying those guys are inept, but #2 scorer on a contending team is high hurdle to clear that none of them do.)
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#96 » by shrink » Wed Oct 2, 2024 8:05 pm

gswhoops wrote:Are we sure Randle is going to be in their closing 5 though? I could see Naz or DDV in there depending on matchups. More shooting + defense.

If I were Minnesota I'd probably make Randle a nominal "starter" who was the first guy subbed out and use him mostly to beat up on second units/run the offense when Ant rests.

You might see Randle start games, but not be the focus. Older Conley and Gobert rest earlier, and NAW and DiVincenzo replace them, and run some offense through Randle? Ant really needs to grow as a playmaker, but that was true whether they made this trade or not.
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Re: What Does The National Media Get Wrong About Your Team? 

Post#97 » by shrink » Fri Oct 4, 2024 12:11 am

I heard another one on a national podcast, and the Wolves guest actually fought back on it a little.

“Tim Connelly built the Wolves to beat the Nuggets.”

Unfortunately for MIN, they have never been a destination city for NBA stars, where MIN can pick and choose what type of star player they want to add. Rudy Gobert trade filled some of the team’s needs, but most people thought it was a clunky fit with Towns. But two of the biggest reasons that he ended up in the Wolves is that a team was WILLING to trade away a star (for a huge return!), and the star was WILLING to give MIN a try!

Now, it is true that the Wolves are a tough match up for the Nuggets. DEN has an advantage of three great bigs that most teams can’t match up with, but the Wolves have four (3 of them Connelly inherited) with Gobert, KAT, Naz and McDaniels. Towns in particular, has always defended Jokic well, for some reason. The Nuggets also have an advantage against many teams with Jamal Murray, but the Wolves have some stifling perimeter defenders. And finally, without Brown or KCP, DEN doesn’t have a good choice to guard Ant.

But saying all that, the Wolves team wasn’t designed to beat DEN. It likely just ended up that way.

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