Trade value for Anfernee Simons?

[louc1970]

What is he worth on the market? What would your team be willing to give to get him? He makes $26m this year, $28m next.
Just make sure the offer is something Portland would want.

[BBallFreak]

What is he worth on the market? What would your team be willing to give to get him? He makes $26m this year, $28m next.
Just make sure the offer is something Portland would want.

Don't know that that can be done. He has some value, don't get me wrong, not he's in the Tyler Herro mold where it's slightly above neutral. So maybe some expiring deals and a protected first from a playoff team. Not much more than that.

[jbk1234]

I think there's a deal to be had with the Magic where the Blazers get back something they want (though Suggs pending extension/RFA may have the Magic rethinking that).

If Dick looks bad in his second season, maybe the Raptors trade him for Brown at the deadline?

It's tough because he's not a starter on most teams and he's paid too much to be a sixth man.

[tester551]

What is he worth on the market? What would your team be willing to give to get him? He makes $26m this year, $28m next.
Just make sure the offer is something Portland would want.

Don't know that that can be done. He has some value, don't get me wrong, not he's in the Tyler Herro mold where it's slightly above neutral. So maybe some expiring deals and a protected first from a playoff team. Not much more than that.

Agreed that Simons has a bit more trade value than Tyler Herro. I'd probably put Simon's value as being in the same tier as Tobias Harris and DeRozan (on their new contracts).

[Myth]

What is he worth on the market? What would your team be willing to give to get him? He makes $26m this year, $28m next.
Just make sure the offer is something Portland would want.

Don't know that that can be done. He has some value, don't get me wrong, not he's in the Tyler Herro mold where it's slightly above neutral. So maybe some expiring deals and a protected first from a playoff team. Not much more than that.

Works for me. I'm also fine with longer term money if there is some use from the received player with the 1st. Or bringing in a more negative player/contract to get 2 late 1sts. I don't have specific teams or players in mind though.

[balsamic_ducks]

expirings and a mediocre 1st. More if portland is willing to also take on bad money.

[jbk1234]

I struggle to see the Blazers getting both expiring contracts and a 1st for Simons. He'd be gone already if that was his market.

[Walton1one]

I think Simons will be dealt (He should have been dealt already). He would be much more valuable to a team as a lethal scorer off the bench (6th man) than he is here in POR as high a usage\#1 focal point of an offense. He is going into his 7th year, he likely won't resign with POR unless they paid him an absurd amount of money (foolish, but possible, look at Grant's contract) & given the landscape under the new CBA, probably could be re-signed for a reasonable amount ($19-$25mil? Monk signed for $19\KCP $22)

A deal with ORL still makes the most sense IMO.

Anthony\Harris\Howard & 25' pick (DEN or ORL)
for
Simons\Banton & Cash

1) This deal could not happen until December 15th (Harris)

2) ORL is $20.45mil under luxury tax, so they could take on Simons' contract for lesser contracts, by including Harris, they only take on $2.3mil in extra salary this year

3) I included Banton to help even out the trade from 3-1 to 3-2, Banton's contract is also partially-guaranteed, so ORL could either keep him or if they cut him (before 1/10/25) they could save an additional $881k (POR pays it).

4) Other players from POR could be included instead of Banton, if they preferred (take your pick): Reath, Walker, Murray

[Myth]

4) Other players from POR could be included instead of Banton, if they preferred (take your pick): Reath, Walker, Murray

I wouldn’t do it with Walker included.

[wemby]

What is he worth on the market? What would your team be willing to give to get him? He makes $26m this year, $28m next.
Just make sure the offer is something Portland would want.

Don't know that that can be done. He has some value, don't get me wrong, not he's in the Tyler Herro mold where it's slightly above neutral. So maybe some expiring deals and a protected first from a playoff team. Not much more than that.

Yeah, that sounds about right. I liked him for the Spurs for a similar deal, but now with Castle and CP3 I think that ship has sailed. The Magic look like a nice fit, but the money might be a problem... close to 30 million for no defense combo guards is a hefty contract.

[wemby]

Anthony\Harris\Howard & 25' pick (DEN or ORL)
for
Simons\Banton & Cash

I'd probably do that for the Magic, for the Blazers the pick is likely mediocre (in the 20s) and Anthony is a negative contract, but if they feel Howard has a chance to turn it around it may be worth it. Otherwise there may be better deals.

[babyjax13]

I think unfortunately there are so many great small scoring guards that it is hard to fully capitalize on their trade value if they aren't fits. e.g., I love Sexton and he is an absolutely electric scorer, but he's probably pulling a non-premium first and filler? And I imagine Simons is similar? And that is if you can find a team that doesn't already have a similar player.

[Skybox]

I still really like him as 6moy candidate in ORL, with a green light to score and plenty of defensive support. He could get 25 minutes+, and likely lead the team in assists and be a threat to put up 30 on any given night if defenders clog the paint to focus on Paolo & Franz. A 3 guard rotation of Suggs/KCP/Simons with some mix of others for depth and injury coverage would provide fantastic complementary support for ORL’s young frontcourt stars.

For POR, I’d want a pick in this year’s draft (ORL has two) and a prospect that fits… I’m not “giving up” on Anthony Black, but I think he’s more like Suggs & KCP than he is a real PG. He could develop as a big, versatile, very young, 2-way guard who could play next to Scoot OR Sharpe at times. I’m high on AB, but not on him contributing immediately. I’d prefer to keep him in ORL, but I also think he would be valued as a trade piece (I’d rather send Harris or Jett, but I don’t think either gets POR’s attention unless ORL adds more picks…

Cole Anthony, AB & DEN 25 frp for Simons

Or, Cole Anthony, Gary Harris & ORL 25 (top 5) for Simons

[JRoy]

I would do the first one for POR.

[Texas Chuck]

If Reaves really has anywhere near the value suggested around here, the Lakers should package him for a wing defender and then add a bit of value to swap Russell for Simons(or Sexton perhaps). They could use a more dynamic wing scorer than Reaves/Russell and it would free them to use Reaves to address the hole at wing.

But they are the first team I look at, not Orlando. Orlando should aim higher.

[orlando_joe]

the magic ship i think sailed ...crazy to see cole,black and a first still put out there i really can not see magic doing that
unless he was signed to 4 yr 15 a yr deal to play 6th man..and i still think magic would pass on giving all that ..that is how far off i see it

[BlazersBroncos]

Cole + Howard + ORL or DEN 25 FRP seems fair to me.

But, Simons is likely 6th man in ORL - is he willing to accept and is ORL willing to pay 25M for a 6th man? (I think they should as they have lower salary elsewhere)

I think AB and a FRP for Simons is wishful thinking for PDX.

[hugepatsfan]

New CBA with the restrictive tax penalties makes things tough for moving a guy like this IMO. Being in the tax and the aprons really limits what you can do so you have to be more selective about who you go over for. If you can stay under those thresholds by way of letting go or just not acquiring guys outside of your "core" pieces then that's preferrable. Simons isn't good enough to be a "core" piece so I don't have him as someone teams are going to want to push themselves into new restrictions for.

Let's look at the Magic because that's everyone's go-to for him... next year, with the contracts they have on the books now, they're $23.5M below the tax. That does NOT include Suggs, who would likely push them over. Swapping Cole Anthony's $13.1M for Simons' $27.7M adds another chunk and starts pushing them into apron territories. Is he the caliber of player you do that math for? I don't think so.

It's going to be interesting to see, but I think the model of just re-signing all of your sub-all star players and then trading them later might not work for rebuilding teams anymore. I think we'll see guys like this only be able to moved for minimal value as expiring players or the rare team who's financial situation allows it over multiple years.

[jbk1234]

New CBA with the restrictive tax penalties makes things tough for moving a guy like this IMO. Being in the tax and the aprons really limits what you can do so you have to be more selective about who you go over for. If you can stay under those thresholds by way of letting go or just not acquiring guys outside of your "core" pieces then that's preferrable. Simons isn't good enough to be a "core" piece so I don't have him as someone teams are going to want to push themselves into new restrictions for.

Let's look at the Magic because that's everyone's go-to for him... next year, with the contracts they have on the books now, they're $23.5M below the tax. That does NOT include Suggs, who would likely push them over. Swapping Cole Anthony's $13.1M for Simons' $27.7M adds another chunk and starts pushing them into apron territories. Is he the caliber of player you do that math for? I don't think so.

It's going to be interesting to see, but I think the model of just re-signing all of your sub-all star players and then trading them later might not work for rebuilding teams anymore. I think we'll see guys like this only be able to moved for minimal value as expiring players or the rare team who's financial situation allows it over multiple years.

Unless Cole has a break out season, and I'm skeptical, I think they can afford the upgrade at $14M per. They need the spacing/scoring and you're going to be a tax team if you want to be competitive. The only question is whether they want to aim higher because once they trade for Simons, he'll be hard to move downstream. It's kind of an ideal fit in Orlando and that's not the case for other teams.

[Billl]

The market for good, but not great players making big money has basically died up. Especially if they are questionable defenders. I don't think portland is going to get any sort of good offer for him. If you can get a late first, I'd call that a win. On the court, he'd absolutely help some teams as a 6th man, but it's really hard to justify that type of contract for a 6th man in today's nba.