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KAT to Knicks Part 3

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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#141 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Oct 3, 2024 9:51 pm

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Hes_On_Fire wrote:The bench lacks any type of scoring - unless you want to rely on Cam Payne's streaky clown self.

The bench really inspires little confidence. We need to see a legit backup PF/C brought in.

We need someone off the bench - preferably a guard - who can score the ball.



There clearly going to stagger the minutes...OG didn't sign that huge deal to just sit in the corner and watch Brunson/KAT run P&R

Also Mikal will certainly get some secondary playmaking looks as well.

We certainly are thin in terms of depth. I'm sure they are hoping one of the vets stabilizes things with Payne or Shamet.

TJ Warren has always been a bucket getting they just brought him into camp wonder if he makes it for an additional scoring option.

TJ Warren reverting to 2019 TJ Warren seems dead unlikely. But maybe miracles happen.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#142 » by Capn'O » Thu Oct 3, 2024 9:52 pm

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Hes_On_Fire wrote:The bench lacks any type of scoring - unless you want to rely on Cam Payne's streaky clown self.

The bench really inspires little confidence. We need to see a legit backup PF/C brought in.

We need someone off the bench - preferably a guard - who can score the ball.

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Nah, Deuce. Assuming he comes off the bench, which I do.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#143 » by Capn'O » Thu Oct 3, 2024 9:55 pm

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Calinks wrote:Towns is a far more gifted offensive player than a lot of you realize. Man was a walking top ten offense before the Gobert trade. I would say a good chunk, about 30 percent, of his offense was taken away once the Timberwolves got Rudy because Towns had to play PF against quicker guys and the spacing was much different on the court. Even with his neutered offensive game he still managed to put up roughly 20 PPG a night.

Him going back to center will open his game back up. He is an easy scorer and barely ever gets shut down one on one. He alsodrives a lot more than people think, he routinely cooked other Centers from the perimeter with his drives in the season or two before Gobert. His big problem was he gets tunel vision on those drives so when teams started to load up, he created a lot of turnovers. Befor teams got smart with the loading up and foul baiting though, he was roasting normal-slow center out there. It's why in the Memphis series they had to basically take Steven Adams out of the games, Adams is a damn good player but the dude was getting molested by Towns' drive game.

Give him a chance, you will see his crazy talent and reliability. Post-season he has had some problems for sure, I wont dispute that, but for the regular season, the dude is as consistent as it gets and is pure money when it comes to getting buckets. just put down the 20+ points every night on good efficiency, easy, no doubt about it.


I wanted to go back to the last few pages of the Part 2 thread to echo the sentiments from a fellow Timberwolves moderator.

Interestingly enough, it feels like Gersson Rosas (along with the rest of the front office) is creating a similar version of what Rosas was building in Minnesota before he was axed. I know that all of the moves are not directly attributed to Rosas, but this one certainly seems to be.

Towns is a unique player. I think it is important to prioritize the types of players you put next to him, especially in the frontcourt and at PG.

I personally draw a line from Brunson to what Rosas thought that D'Angelo Russell could be. He targeted Russell way back when to be his version of James Harden, in a sense. I see some parallels between that and what Brunson does at the PG position, though obviously Brunson is levels above.

There seem to be two methodologies of frontcourt pairings next to Towns. There are the jumbo-sized center, like he had the past few seasons in Rudy Gobert. There is also the more mobile four, who is able to play in space. Jarred Vanderbilt played that role in Minnesota, and I see OG Anunoby as a similar type of defensive presence (again, at a higher level).

But this roster setup brought out the best in Towns offensively, while building a decent enough defense with him at center. Rebounding was an issue in that Memphis series, and I fear it could be a problem for the Knicks at some point. But Towns is crazy talented. Minnesota simply got to a point where they were at their limit of what they could probably achieve with that group.


I've been making that comparison with OG/Precious and Vanderbilt as well.

We may have even brought in Rosas for expressly this purpose. Towns to NY has been rumored for a minute due to CAA connections.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#144 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Oct 3, 2024 9:56 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Frankly I don't see Ant and Randle's personalities or their games meshing at all.

And Thibs got more out of Randle than any other coach by far. It will be interesting to see if he can keep the same level of play he had in NYC.

This is interesting to me, because I actually see them as great fits. From a distance and soaking in hours of Youtube footage in the last week, Randle's personality reminds me somewhat of a more even-keeled Pat Beverley. And Ant and PatBev were very close in their time here.

And on the court, Randle couldn't say enough about Finch as a coach, and vice versa. So I am not too worried about that.

Randle proved to be moody and unpredictable in New York. Very different from Beverley, who's a consistent chit-talker and an extrovert. Randle's more of an introvert, but he can have sudden outbursts, sometimes aimed at the refs, opposing players, teammates, trainers, fans... He's a bit of an enigma. He's nowhere near Boogie Cousins, and he's a family man who was reportedly liked by his teammates, but he's the type you have to walk on eggshells around a bit.

Perhaps the change of scenery brings him another level of peace. I don't know.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#145 » by Ray Williams » Thu Oct 3, 2024 9:57 pm

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Dey scared now!!! Did anybody see the move Leon Rose pulled off for the NY Knicks!?!? We got a beast who can look like the best player on the floor in the mf all star game!


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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#146 » by Capn'O » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:00 pm

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Gravy wrote:And Thibs got more out of Randle than any other coach by far. It will be interesting to see if he can keep the same level of play he had in NYC.

This is interesting to me, because I actually see them as great fits. From a distance and soaking in hours of Youtube footage in the last week, Randle's personality reminds me somewhat of a more even-keeled Pat Beverley. And Ant and PatBev were very close in their time here.

And on the court, Randle couldn't say enough about Finch as a coach, and vice versa. So I am not too worried about that.

Randle proved to be moody and unpredictable in New York. Very different from Beverley, who's a consistent chit-talker and an extrovert. Randle's more of an introvert, but he can have sudden outbursts, sometimes aimed at the refs, opposing players, teammates, trainers, fans... He's a bit of an enigma. He's nowhere near Boogie Cousins, and he's a family man who was reportedly liked by his teammates, but he's the type you have to walk on eggshells around a bit.

Perhaps the change of scenery brings him another level of peace. I don't know.


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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#147 » by The KnicksFix » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:01 pm

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Randle seems happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This like watching the girl who was miserable with you post engagement photos a year after y’all break up :roll:
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#148 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:01 pm

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we dont gave a coaching staff to make the best possible decisions and schemes?! these arent even arguments for a real discussion

Jokic is much worse and slower defender, but he got a ring

I think Jokic is a better defender than KAT to be fair. He's the leader in steals per game among centers and he's great at reading the game, with great hands and anticipation skills, as well as an excellent post defender. He just has no recovery skills or rim protection skills whatsoever.

KAT's more athletic and provides a bit more rim protection but he's not as smart a defender as Jokic.

Agree to an extent... Curry lead the NBA in steals one year, but he isn't a good defender.

I think Curry has become a good defender. He wasn't for a long time but he became a well-rounded, two-way player around the late 2010s.

Fair point that steals don't necessarily mean good defender, but for Jokic it's just an example of how disruptive he is in the passing lanes and with his anticipation. He's probably average overall but he brings some positives in addition to the negative was my point.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#149 » by dukeknicksirish » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:12 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:I think Jokic is a better defender than KAT to be fair. He's the leader in steals per game among centers and he's great at reading the game, with great hands and anticipation skills, as well as an excellent post defender. He just has no recovery skills or rim protection skills whatsoever.

KAT's more athletic and provides a bit more rim protection but he's not as smart a defender as Jokic.

Agree to an extent... Curry lead the NBA in steals one year, but he isn't a good defender.

I think Curry has become a good defender. He wasn't for a long time but he became a well-rounded, two-way player around the late 2010s.

Fair point that steals don't necessarily mean good defender, but for Jokic it's just an example of how disruptive he is in the passing lanes and with his anticipation. He's probably average overall but he brings some positives in addition to the negative was my point.

I do believe in the coaching/player personnel around him will improve his defensive efficiency.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#150 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:17 pm

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Klomp wrote:This is interesting to me, because I actually see them as great fits. From a distance and soaking in hours of Youtube footage in the last week, Randle's personality reminds me somewhat of a more even-keeled Pat Beverley. And Ant and PatBev were very close in their time here.

And on the court, Randle couldn't say enough about Finch as a coach, and vice versa. So I am not too worried about that.

Randle proved to be moody and unpredictable in New York. Very different from Beverley, who's a consistent chit-talker and an extrovert. Randle's more of an introvert, but he can have sudden outbursts, sometimes aimed at the refs, opposing players, teammates, trainers, fans... He's a bit of an enigma. He's nowhere near Boogie Cousins, and he's a family man who was reportedly liked by his teammates, but he's the type you have to walk on eggshells around a bit.

Perhaps the change of scenery brings him another level of peace. I don't know.


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Thank you for this. A more apt comparison then might actually be Jaden McDaniels (who Ant is probably just as close to, if not closer).

He's definitely a quiet guy, but his "attitude" and "temper" was what plummeted him down the draft board, and even cost him the chance to play in the first Denver series because of the punch.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#151 » by The KnicksFix » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:20 pm

I still think we won the trade

Whoever gets the better player in the trade, wins the trade, and we did that with this trade
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#152 » by Fat Kat » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:30 pm

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Dey scared now!!! Did anybody see the move Leon Rose pulled off for the NY Knicks!?!? We got a beast who can look like the best player on the floor in the mf all star game!


We got a younger youthier player with Karl Towns
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Post#153 » by F N 11 » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:38 pm

Watching Randle interview saying he just want to win. I believe him. He grew a lot here. Brunson was the final piece to help him but it is what it is. If he be selfless on that team, they can be good.

He was efficient under Finch. All the best.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#154 » by G_K_F » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:45 pm

F N 11 wrote:Watching Randle interview saying he just want to win. I believe him. He grew a lot here. Brunson was the final piece to help him but it is what it is. If he be selfless on that team, they can be good.

He was efficient under Finch. All the best.

He said he ‘wanted to be where he was wanted’ which implied he was unhappy here. His personality was always moody and not necessarily team-friendly. It was great to get rid of him but I just have never liked KAT or his style of play.
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Post#155 » by F N 11 » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:45 pm

Kat says it’s a head start he already know Thibs offense and defense. I like hearing that. I looked at the last time under Thibs bro was young and springy. Can’t wait to see the new product.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#156 » by Wildcat » Thu Oct 3, 2024 10:51 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Frankly I don't see Ant and Randle's personalities or their games meshing at all.


Minnesota's biggest problem was scoring last year

and now they got a worse F whose higher volume and lower efficiency.

I can absolutely see them struggling big time next year offensively, leading to friction.


T-Wolves' biggest problem was they didn't have another player that can create for others. Conley can't do that anymore, and that's not really KAT's game. Their offense will be different, but should be on par or slightly better depending on what tweaks they do. I don't think it's a forgone conclusion at all.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#157 » by Wildcat » Thu Oct 3, 2024 11:00 pm

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F N 11 wrote:Watching Randle interview saying he just want to win. I believe him. He grew a lot here. Brunson was the final piece to help him but it is what it is. If he be selfless on that team, they can be good.

He was efficient under Finch. All the best.

He said he ‘wanted to be where he was wanted’ which implied he was unhappy here. His personality was always moody and not necessarily team-friendly. It was great to get rid of him but I just have never liked KAT or his style of play.


Nothing to do with the team and more about the vocal fanbase.
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Post#158 » by F N 11 » Thu Oct 3, 2024 11:02 pm

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F N 11 wrote:Watching Randle interview saying he just want to win. I believe him. He grew a lot here. Brunson was the final piece to help him but it is what it is. If he be selfless on that team, they can be good.

He was efficient under Finch. All the best.

He said he ‘wanted to be where he was wanted’ which implied he was unhappy here. His personality was always moody and not necessarily team-friendly. It was great to get rid of him but I just have never liked KAT or his style of play.

I’m honestly hoping for success on both sides. Just more for the Knicks. Let’s see how it plays out. With the possibility to play Randle/Reid at end of games has mad potential bc we can’t underestimate Randle and Ant actually having space to slash.
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Post#159 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Oct 3, 2024 11:06 pm

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You know what?

He probably needed this with everything that has happened over the last 4 years.

his dad is also a head coach at st joes in new jersey


Yep Karl Sr. is a coach there, back in high school we used to get our asses kicked by St Joes since they'd get all the talent. Their family is pretty well known in the central jersey area.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#160 » by KnixinSix » Thu Oct 3, 2024 11:06 pm

Thibs said Deuce and Cam will be our 2nd team. So it looks like Hart is the starter.

Hart also spoke about putting a ton of work into his shot with his shooting coach in the off season.
If Hart is closer to some of his career highs in 3pt shooting (38%) vs the erratic year he had last year (32%) this offense could have 5 viable 3 point shooters on the floor all at the same time. Spacing would be sick for Hart and Brunson to drive with Towns and Bridges driving sometimes too.
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