Vote on the compensation: Rui+Hayes for DFS+Sharpe

[zimpy27]

Lakers get DFS+Sharpe
Lakers get a better starting SF and backup C for their main rotation.

Nets get Rui+Hayes
Nets get the much younger wing in Rui and pick compensation.

[Mavrelous]

I think Rui to DFS is worth 1 2nd, and Sharpe 1 2nd rd pick, I voted protected 1st, but at the deadline, I think it'll be 2 2nds.

[ecuhus1981]

I would say no for the Nets, but if it did happen, we would need a 1st.

Rui is OK but we have bigger fish to fry in 2025 free agency. His contract next year gets in the way of those plans. True, DFS might opt into his player option year, but even if he does it's $4mil less than Hachimura makes. And Day'Ron is a quality player.

[gswhoops]

Of those options, I'd want either the top-4 protected '29 pick or the unprotected swaps + some 2nds if I were the Nets. Give me the high variance future assets.

Just second round picks or a distant future lotto protected pick doesn't really do anything for me.

[giberish]

I' have Sharpe worth a late 1st and DFS adds a little more value. So something like a pick in the 15-20 range. The challenge is how to express that in a future 1st.

There's a good chance that the Lakers are rebuilding in 2029 potentially making the pick quite valuable - but the post-Kobe rebuild shows that the Lakers will tank to keep a protected pick so lottery or top-10 protection drops the value too low. I went with top-4 protection as giving enough upside to the Nets to make it worthwhile. Though there's a case that the pick being 5 years out drops its value enough that it should be unprotected.

[babyjax13]

I don't think the Nets package is worth a high variance asset at all. If it were extended to include Cam Johnson, sure, maybe. I have this as being 2 2nds, but maybe needing to send rui to a 3rd team for an expiring contract.

[zimpy27]

Thinking lottery protected FRP that becomes a 2nd or maybe 3 2nds outright

[babyjax13]

Adapting this idea a bit...

LAL trades: D'Angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, Gabe Vincent, 2029 LAL 1st
in: Cam Johnson, Kevin Huerter, Day'Ron Sharpe
Lakers finally put shooting around LeBron and AD and they'll have some assets/filler to play with if they need to rebalance the roster a bit partway through the season (e.g., Knecht + Christie for a 3rd guard).

SAC trades: Kevin Huerter, 2028 SAC 2nd, 2031 SAC 2nd
in: Dorian Finney-Smith
Swap Huerter for a 3/4 who can defend and hit open shots.

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson, Dorian Finney-Smith, Day'Ron Sharpe
in: D'Angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, Gabe Vincent, 2029 LAL 1st, 2028 SAC 2nd, 2031 SAC 2nd
Cut their salary commitments and get a high-upside first.

Lakers rotation could be:
Davis 32/Sharpe 16/Hayes
LeBron 30/Vanderbilt 18/Johnson
Johnson 30/Knecht 18/LeBron
Huerter 26/Christie 22/Reddish
Reaves 32/JHS 12/Bronny 4

[axeman23]

Of those options, I'd want either the top-4 protected '29 pick or the unprotected swaps + some 2nds if I were the Nets. Give me the high variance future assets.

Just second round picks or a distant future lotto protected pick doesn't really do anything for me.

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

[jbk1234]

Of those options, I'd want either the top-4 protected '29 pick or the unprotected swaps + some 2nds if I were the Nets. Give me the high variance future assets.

Just second round picks or a distant future lotto protected pick doesn't really do anything for me.

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

I agree that DFS is unlikely to return the type of first the Nets have been seeking, but I guess I'm a little higher on Sharpe given his salary and the cap constraints half the league are operating under.

If you're a buyer and you want a lower price you wait until the deadline. If you're a seller, particularly if you're rebuilding, there's no harm in waiting to see if a team like the Heat panics and overpays.

[Jody Smokz]

I'm not a huge fan of Rui but he's easily the best player in this mix. DFS in theory is a better fit but how great is his defensive ability to make up for being less productive offensively than Rui?

Both are low to mid volume 3 pt shooters but Rui hit 42% from 3 on 3.4 attempts. DFS 35% on 4.9 attempts. So the Lakers lose shooting and a better scorer, but is DFS wing defense make up for this? Hayes and Sharpe aren't really worth discussing. Both are bit players.

[gswhoops]

Of those options, I'd want either the top-4 protected '29 pick or the unprotected swaps + some 2nds if I were the Nets. Give me the high variance future assets.

Just second round picks or a distant future lotto protected pick doesn't really do anything for me.

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

No, but GS doesn't particularly have a need for either DFS or Sharpe. We have better players penciled into those roles.

Of those options, I'd want either the top-4 protected '29 pick or the unprotected swaps + some 2nds if I were the Nets. Give me the high variance future assets.

Just second round picks or a distant future lotto protected pick doesn't really do anything for me.

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

I agree that DFS is unlikely to return the type of first the Nets have been seeking, but I guess I'm a little higher on Sharpe given his salary and the cap constraints half the league are operating under.

If you're a buyer and you want a lower price you wait until the deadline. If you're a seller, particularly if you're rebuilding, there's no harm in waiting to see if a team like the Heat panics and overpays.

Exactly this. DFS and/or Sharpe for seconds will still be there at the deadline (unless one of them gets hurt, I guess). No reason to make the deal now unless someone is willing to offer something materially better than what you can get at the deadline.

[jbk1234]

Of those options, I'd want either the top-4 protected '29 pick or the unprotected swaps + some 2nds if I were the Nets. Give me the high variance future assets.

Just second round picks or a distant future lotto protected pick doesn't really do anything for me.

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

No, but GS doesn't particularly have a need for either DFS or Sharpe. We have better players penciled into those roles.

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

I agree that DFS is unlikely to return the type of first the Nets have been seeking, but I guess I'm a little higher on Sharpe given his salary and the cap constraints half the league are operating under.

If you're a buyer and you want a lower price you wait until the deadline. If you're a seller, particularly if you're rebuilding, there's no harm in waiting to see if a team like the Heat panics and overpays.

Exactly this. DFS and/or Sharpe for seconds will still be there at the deadline (unless one of them gets hurt, I guess). No reason to make the deal now unless someone is willing to offer something materially better than what you can get at the deadline.

Tbc, I think a package of DFS and Sharpe is worth more than seconds.

[giberish]

Of those options, I'd want either the top-4 protected '29 pick or the unprotected swaps + some 2nds if I were the Nets. Give me the high variance future assets.

Just second round picks or a distant future lotto protected pick doesn't really do anything for me.

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

First I'd say that Sharpe is the one worth a 1st on his own. IMO you're underrating his value here. Adding DFS just pushes it to a better 1st. I'm not sure how many 2ns the Nets have going forward. If it's already a lot than DFS for 2nd(s) become pointless for them (and with DFS for a 1st not happening he's still on the Nets).

As for Golden State - while the Warriors are in a similar place as the Lakers the Lakers have more star power (GS doesn't have ad AD equivalent) but the Warriors have much better depth. This means that the Warriors can really only improve with a star trade while the Lakers could improve with rotation upgrades.

[psman2]

Of those options, I'd want either the top-4 protected '29 pick or the unprotected swaps + some 2nds if I were the Nets. Give me the high variance future assets.

Just second round picks or a distant future lotto protected pick doesn't really do anything for me.

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

First I'd say that Sharpe is the one worth a 1st on his own. IMO you're underrating his value here. Adding DFS just pushes it to a better 1st. I'm not sure how many 2ns the Nets have going forward. If it's already a lot than DFS for 2nd(s) become pointless for them (and with DFS for a 1st not happening he's still on the Nets).

As for Golden State - while the Warriors are in a similar place as the Lakers the Lakers have more star power (GS doesn't have ad AD equivalent) but the Warriors have much better depth. This means that the Warriors can really only improve with a star trade while the Lakers could improve with rotation upgrades.

I don't see Sharpe fetching a 1st. Entering his last cheap year and starting all of 12 games in his career, 6p/5r centers that are a little undersized and don't have a crazy DFG% just don't get valued like this. Now if someone had pick 30 at the draft and decided to flip that exact first then I could see it, but I doubt anyone is giving up a real uncertain 1st for him unless it like a one time top 20 protected then 2 2nds type of 1st and even then I doubt that is offered. Now the Nets might not sell him for 2nds but I think that is what the highest offers would be. I think any team willing to give him close to the full MLE will steal him away from the Nets next offseason without them matching, unless they have traded Claxton by then.

[axeman23]

Would you give up the GSW equivalent for this (DFS and Sharpe)? If DFS was going to get this kind of 1st, he would've been gone a long time ago, not sitting in mothballs having his value depreciate... Sharpe increases the value, but not by this much.

No, but GS doesn't particularly have a need for either DFS or Sharpe. We have better players penciled into those roles.

I agree that DFS is unlikely to return the type of first the Nets have been seeking, but I guess I'm a little higher on Sharpe given his salary and the cap constraints half the league are operating under.

If you're a buyer and you want a lower price you wait until the deadline. If you're a seller, particularly if you're rebuilding, there's no harm in waiting to see if a team like the Heat panics and overpays.

Exactly this. DFS and/or Sharpe for seconds will still be there at the deadline (unless one of them gets hurt, I guess). No reason to make the deal now unless someone is willing to offer something materially better than what you can get at the deadline.

Tbc, I think a package of DFS and Sharpe is worth more than seconds.

Yeah, i actually voted for the lotto protected 1st as the compensation. I might even give them a 2nd bite of the cherry, and make it lotto/top 10/2 2nds. I was just pushing back on the idea of potentially giving up the 5th/6th pick, in what turned out to be a stacked draft class. I don't think either Sharpe or DFS is worth THAT, as I'm unconvinced either of them is the final piece for a championship either...