KAT to Knicks Part 3

[Clyde_Style]

Even if Deuce is not an elite distributor, he rarely turns it over. When he's handling PG duties we are very good at maintaining possession. I think he can continue to improve as a distributor, but I'm mostly keyed in on his ability to create with the ball, because he showed signs of being a legit penetrating scorer late in the season.

Any uptick to Deuce's passing game will probably be a result of how efficient a 3 point scorer he becomes and his ability to blow by his defenders. A shooter who can do both well generates more defensive gaps for himself as defenders have to be mindful of their inside/out scoring potential. That results in more dishing opportunities off drives.

If Deuce can combine all three components of efficient 3s, penetration and dishing off drives he will contribute to our spacing when he's on the floor. If he can also become a better conventional distributor, that's great, but it's not necessary for him to be core piece.

And this is why he is our most valuable trade asset. We only have about 30 million to play with to update the bench. I'd be happy to keep him or happy to upgrade the bench. Win win.

His value as an asset is both his contract and being a true plug and play player who can immediately contribute to any roster.

[JayTWill]

Do the Knicks even have the ability to trade for Smart right now without involving someone like Hart? If they trade Mitch, Deuce and another small contract to match Smart's $20M+ that would leave them with 10 players under standard contracts with around $4M left under the second apron to get to the minimum of 14 players I believe at the start of the season. I don't fully understand the CBA but I don't think you can sign 4 players at an average of $1M per.

I saw on twitter that we gonna need a 3rd team to do the trade

Unless there is some rule about signing and trading 2 way players or overseas unsigned draftees allowing them to match salaries I don't know how the Knicks can trade for Smart right now and still have the ability to sign 14 players under the second apron. Maybe there are some other loopholes that Aller knows of. I would love to see how the tweet explains how to make this deal happen even if I am against making the trade.

[Clyde_Style]

Even if Deuce is not an elite distributor, he rarely turns it over. When he's handling PG duties we are very good at maintaining possession. I think he can continue to improve as a distributor, but I'm mostly keyed in on his ability to create with the ball, because he showed signs of being a legit penetrating scorer late in the season.

Any uptick to Deuce's passing game will probably be a result of how efficient a 3 point scorer he becomes and his ability to blow by his defenders. A shooter who can do both well generates more defensive gaps for himself as defenders have to be mindful of their inside/out scoring potential. That results in more dishing opportunities off drives.

If Deuce can combine all three components of efficient 3s, penetration and dishing off drives he will contribute to our spacing when he's on the floor. If he can also become a better conventional distributor, that's great, but it's not necessary for him to be core piece.

How is Payne as a PG/ball handler? Probably a step up from McBride. He assist average/min are pretty decent the last few years

At this point, Payne is superior to Deuce as a distributor. He has a very solid handle and is a quick decision maker. He is above average as a passer and can be crafty with the ball at times.

I will be surprised if he is not in the rotation to start the season. He's a good player.

If there is a strong synergy between Deuce and Payne it is very good news for us as it will give Brunson and Hart some rest.

[3toheadmelo]

Do the Knicks even have the ability to trade for Smart right now without involving someone like Hart? If they trade Mitch, Deuce and another small contract to match Smart's $20M+ that would leave them with 10 players under standard contracts with around $4M left under the second apron to get to the minimum of 14 players I believe at the start of the season. I don't fully understand the CBA but I don't think you can sign 4 players at an average of $1M per.

I saw on twitter that we gonna need a 3rd team to do the trade

Unless there is some rule about signing and trading 2 way players or overseas unsigned draftees allowing them to match salaries I don't know how the Knicks can trade for Smart right now and still have the ability to sign 14 players under the second apron. Maybe there are some other loopholes that Aller knows of. I would love to see how the tweet explains how to make this deal happen even if I am against making the trade.

I found this one but this doesn't include a 3rd team. This is too expensive for my taste

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[blueNorange]

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Pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It sucked seeing him shoot the lights out last night, but the Knicks seem to be banking on Deuce to make that leap. If he does, we probably won't miss Donte that much.

Donte has potential special talent shooting the 3 ball ...we WILL miss him. Hopefully McBride will mitigate that a bit.

up until ttwo years ago, divi wasn’t even a consistent three-point shooter. last year, this time we were all scared that he would take minutes away from grimes, our “future”.

so let’s pump the brakes, losing divi stinks, but perhaps the coaching staff helped make him better.

i’m more than confident that deuce match his production.

[JayTWill]

I saw on twitter that we gonna need a 3rd team to do the trade

Unless there is some rule about signing and trading 2 way players or overseas unsigned draftees allowing them to match salaries I don't know how the Knicks can trade for Smart right now and still have the ability to sign 14 players under the second apron. Maybe there are some other loopholes that Aller knows of. I would love to see how the tweet explains how to make this deal happen even if I am against making the trade.

I found this one but this doesn't include a 3rd team. This is too expensive for my taste

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Yeah, the Knicks have enough contracts to match salaries. I'm just confused about how they fill out the roster after a 3 for 1 or 4 for 2 trade. This trade still leaves them with $4M under the second apron to sign a minimum of 4 players I believe.

[3toheadmelo]

Unless there is some rule about signing and trading 2 way players or overseas unsigned draftees allowing them to match salaries I don't know how the Knicks can trade for Smart right now and still have the ability to sign 14 players under the second apron. Maybe there are some other loopholes that Aller knows of. I would love to see how the tweet explains how to make this deal happen even if I am against making the trade.

I found this one but this doesn't include a 3rd team. This is too expensive for my taste

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Yeah, the Knicks have enough contracts to match salaries. I'm just confused about how they fill out the roster after a 3 for 1 or 4 for 2 trade. This trade still leaves them with $4M under the second apron to sign a minimum of 4 players I believe.

I dont have the answers to that

[BKlutch]

I might just switch sports and become a Pittsburgh Penguins fan if we trade for Smart.

Chanelstradamus said Celtics needed to trade him to reach that next level.

Having him chuck with no conscience would make us step backwards.

There you go again, railing against inefficient chuckers. Tell me, did trading away RJ do us one bit of good? Was there even one ounce of improvement in our team's play?

Spoiler:

There was a ton!

[Chanel Bomber]

I might just switch sports and become a Pittsburgh Penguins fan if we trade for Smart.

Chanelstradamus said Celtics needed to trade him to reach that next level.

Having him chuck with no conscience would make us step backwards.

There you go again, railing against inefficient chuckers. Tell me, did trading away RJ do us one bit of good? Was there even one ounce of improvement in our team's play?

Spoiler:

There was a ton!

I look forward to this season I must say.

[BKlutch]

y'all telling me this kid got sources nobody else has. c'mon folks.

Late stage Ron Weasley.

I used to dislike Kris Pursiainen so much a couple of years ago when he was a shrill, fast talking kid going to college I muted him on Twitter (back when there was a Twitter).

Recently, I watched him in a video. He now speaks deliberately and in an organized fashion (he used to talk so quickly it was hard to understand, and his voice was higher pitched). His understanding of the game seems deeper, his voice is also deeper, and he no longer comes across as a kid for clicks. He also has gained 25 lbs or so, and he's clearly bright.

He'd said he speaks with people around the team, and I think I saw him asking questions at a summer workout on X-Twitter. He isn't as bad as he used to be, so I switched him from "muted" to "Maybe." Even Brunson got better as he grew up

[SelbyCobra]

If we're throwing Mitch and Deuce together, I'd rather have Herb Jones over Marcus Smart 100 times out of 100.

In fact, based on their age, production, and contracts, I'd rather have Deuce over Smart straight up right now.

[Context]

Not even sure how a trade for Smart can work. He is making 20+ million. We are only a couple million below the 2nd apron which means we can’t combine salaries to get him.

It would make us thinner...

btw...I think Kat is the perfect#2

Knicks have wanted a certain type of player behind Brunson for a while:

1. Strong defender
2. High level ball handler
3. High level distributor
4. Veteran and battle tested

Smart is all these things. He is a 2 or 3x DPOY player. Right now who is our back up 1 that fits all these things?

I am not necessarily advocating for this trade either.But I think they didn't like how much we had to rely on Brunson either. He is going to wear down with that kind of heavy usage.

So Sims will have to get heavy minutes...
Didnt Smart have an injury?
I've always loved Smart.

[Chanel Bomber]

If we're throwing Mitch and Deuce together, I'd rather have Herb Jones over Marcus Smart 100 times out of 100.

In fact, based on their age, production, and contracts, I'd rather have Deuce over Smart straight up right now.

100%

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think it's really more or less that they're looking for Mitch trades now, he was included in the original offer for KAT.

[Iron Mantis]

I don't want to trade Mitch unless he showed up fat, and Sims is 100% ready to have a break out season.

[BrOnXKing1]

Divo has prime Klay talent shooting the 3 and he had a drive n score last night that we rarely saw last yr so he may of expanded to his game. I hope we dont regret this Kat move when already had a title contender team

[3toheadmelo]

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[BKlutch]

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He may be in great shape but I want him to spend time meshing with his teammates and learning plays (assume there are a few new once’s since Thibs last coached him).

[3toheadmelo]

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He may be in great shape but I want him to spend time meshing with his teammates and learning plays (assume there are a few new once’s since Thibs last coached him).

I just hope he plays tommorow and doesn't sit out like Randle did last night. Luckily, Thibs is the only coach in the league who treats the preseason like the regular season so I think KAT will play.

[Guano]

I don't want to trade Mitch unless he showed up fat, and Sims is 100% ready to have a break out season.

Ask for the moon