Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites* vs Jon_3232

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Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites* vs Jon_3232 

Post#1 » by durantbird » Sun Oct 6, 2024 4:15 am

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Re: Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites vs Jom_3232 

Post#2 » by Jon_3232 » Sun Oct 6, 2024 10:02 pm

PG - Mike Conley (38) / Jaylen Brunson (10)
SG - Jimmy Butler (34) / Jaylen Brunson (14)
SF - Tayshaun Prince (38) / Luc Mbah a Moute (6) / Jimmy Butler (4)
PF - Kevin Love (38) / Luc Mbah a Moute (6) / Ronny Turiaf (4)
C - Shaquille O’Neal (38) / Ronny Turiaf (10)




Mike Conley - Grizzlies
Jimmy Butler - Bulls
Tayshaun Prince - Pistons
Kevin Love - Cavs
Shaquille O’Neal - MVP

Jalen Brunson - 6man
Ronny Turiaf - Knicks
Luc Mbah a Moute - Wolves


16-17 Jimmy Butler 16.5 fga
23.9 ppg/6.2 rpg/5.5 apg/1.9 spg/.367 3pt%/all nba 3

99-00 Shaquille O’Neal 21.1 fga
29.7 ppg/13.6 rpg/3.8 apg/3 bpg/MVP/All nba 1/ All def 2

12-13 Mike Conley 11.8 fga
14.6 ppg/2.8 rpg/6.1 apg/2.1 spg/.362 3pt%/All def 2

17-18 Kevin Love 12.4 fga
17.6 ppg/9.4 rpg/1.7 apg/.415 3pt%

03-04 Tayshaun Prince 8.8 fga
10.3 ppg/4.8 rpg/2.3 apg/0.8 spg/0.8 bpg/.363 3pt%/Champ/4.6 dws

20-21 Jaylen Brunson 9.2 fga
12.6 ppg/3.4 rpg/3.5 apg/.405 3pt%/ 6man (4)

10-11 Ronny Turiaf 3 fga
4.2 ppg/3.2 rpg/1.4 apg/1.1 bpg

13-14 Luc Mbah a Moute 3 fga
3.5 ppg/2.3 rpg/0.6 apg/0.5 spg

85.8/88 fga


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Looks like I match up pretty well here. Good covers on his guys defensively I think.

Conley on Frazier
Butler on Ginobilli
Prince on George
Butler is a good guy to have switch onto George if need be

Frontcourt depends on who he puts out
Shaq will be on either JJJ or Wallace

I think my team fits well with defined roles here. Shaq is gonna abuse both JJJ and KAT if they end up on him and Love will have one of them away from the rim leaving Shaq to go to work at the rim.
Conley butler Prince and especially Love are all good to great outside shooters that compliment Shaq with playmaking from Conley and Butler that’ll be too much for Frazier/George and company
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Re: Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites vs Jom_3232 

Post#3 » by Snakebites » Sun Oct 6, 2024 11:40 pm

All NBA First:

2017-18 Paul George - 21.0 FGA
3rd in MVP Vote, All NBA First, All Defensive First, 3rd in DPOY
28/8/4/2, 6.6 VORP, 39% 3pt on 9.8 attempts,

6MOY Vote Getter:

2006-07 Manu Ginobili - 11.4 FGA
17/4/3, 61% TS, 40% 3pt on 4.3 Att, 5.1 VORP, .257 WS/48

Chicago Bulls:

1996-97 Ron Harper - 5.3 FGA
6/3/3, 36% 3pt on 2.5 Att, 2.1 VORP

New York Knicks:

1969-70 Walt Frazier - 12.7 FGA
All NBA First, All Defensive First, NBA Champion
21/8/6, .236 WS/48, 58% TS

Cleveland Cavaliers:

2015-16 Richard Jefferson - 4.2 FGA
6/2, 58% TS, 38% 3pt

Minnesota Timberwolves:

2017-18 Karl Anthony Towns 14.3 FGA
All NBA Third
21/12/2, 65% TS, 42% 3pt on 3.5 Att, 5.2 VORP

Detroit Pistons:

2002-03 Ben Wallace 6.0 FGA
All NBA 2nd, DPOY, All Defensive First
7/15/3, 7.2 DWS, 4.8 VORP

Memphis Grizzlies:

22-23 Jaren Jackson Jr 13.0 FGA
DPOY, All Star, All Defensive First
19/7/3, 61% TS, 36% 3pt on 4.5 Att

Frazier (38)/Harper (10)
Ginobili (36)/Harper (12)
George (38)/Jefferson (10)
JJJ (30)/ KAT (18)
Wallace (33) /KAT (15)

Alrighty, let’s do this. This team has FOUR players who are All NBA. And two of our remaining 4 are Manu Ginobili (5.1 VORP was #8 in the league) and Jaren Jackson Jr (DPOY All Star and very strong offensive player too).

Depth defines us, but so does our lockdown defense. We’ve got two elite rim protectors who are also both extremely versatile and mobile defenders, and we’ve also got Walt Frazier, who might be the best point of attack defender in this game, alongside Paul George while he was still an elite wing defender (third in DPOY vote in chosen year).

At first glance one might say that we don’t have a true alpha. While it is true that we don’t have a transcendent scorer like Shaq, I’d argue we make up for that with balance. Paul George averaged 28 points per game on strong efficiency and elite range, and he’s propped up by two guards who in their own ways are also terrific at initiating offense. Frazier was a great clutch scorer in his own time, and also an excellent facilitator whose stats were somewhat depressed by being on a Knicks team that emphasized unselfish play and sharing. Ginobili was also an elite scorer in his own right who was great at creating his own shot and also a solid facilitator. Together these three form as strong a perimeter attack as any in this game. They’re greatly helped by TWO ranged big men who help spread the floor and serve as fourth options when they’re on the floor.

In this matchup I think we stack up well. Our defense gives me elite answers to everyone. Frazier should be able to lock up off-peak Conley effectively, and prime Paul George has a favorable matchup with pre-prime Jimmy Butler. If anyone can guard Shaq/Love, it is without a doubt Ben/JJJ.

On the other end, Kevin Love will have a heck of a time dealing with the more athletic JJJ (assuming he keeps Shaq on Ben, it would be ill-advised to do otherwise). Young Tayshaun was a decent defender in his own right but I think he’s overmatched by this version of Paul George, especially since he won’t have the benefit Tay did in real life of having elite help at pretty much every other position. Guarding Kobe was a team effort and his potential help will be very occupied here.

I also think the bench edge shouldn’t be overlooked. These versions of Turiaf and Mbah Amoute shouldn’t be rotation players in these games, while Harper and RJ were both regulars on Championship teams. I’ve got a more impactful 6th man too.
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Re: Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites vs Jom_3232 

Post#4 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Oct 7, 2024 12:45 am

Even without a Shaq-level #1, Snake has what I would consider 5 or 6 All-NBA level players - including 2019 PG which is a fringe MVP type season - that fit nicely together. I'm not entirely convinced they can slow Shaq down, but I much prefer his overall talent in the rest of the starting lineup and off the bench (compared to 26 combined minutes of Turiaf and 2014 Mbah a Moute).

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Re: Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites vs Jom_3232 

Post#5 » by durantbird » Mon Oct 7, 2024 6:48 pm

I just like Snake's depth here and Wallace is a good Shaq cover. Taking Turiaf and Mbah a Moute and being left with 2 FGAs seems like an unforced error when someone like Hartenstein was available at the exact same category as Turiaf.

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Re: Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites vs Jom_3232 

Post#6 » by Laimbeer » Mon Oct 7, 2024 11:09 pm

I think SB's perimeter talent and interior defense is enough to get by Shaq here.

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Re: Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites vs Jom_3232 

Post#7 » by MadNESS » Tue Oct 8, 2024 4:46 am

Also Snake here.

His perimeter is too much. Has different looks for Shaq.
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Re: Derrick Rose Draft R1 - Snakebites vs Jom_3232 

Post#8 » by durantbird » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:19 am

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