Game 5: Packers at Rams - 10/6/24 - 3:25 - CBS

[BUCKnation]

So after we had that long, time consuming drive, the Rams score and now there's around 4 min left. Jacobs runs for a 1st down, Rams use a timeout - good. Jacobs runs again for zero yards, Rams use another timeout - ok.

Here's where I get confused. 2nd down we try to throw and it's defended stopping the clock... the Rams still had a timeout left.. any dumpoff pass or handoff and they have to burn their last timeout. When we 1st got the ball back, I was thinking.. how would Tom Brady kill this clock and end the game? It would be all handoffs and high % underneath throws to good runners in the flat or under 5 yards with a goal of keeping the clock running and staying out of 3rd and long. Then to make it worse, 3rd and 10.. in Rodgerseque style we have to throw a low% 30 yard bomb instead of a higher % 11 yard pass. I know that we had a 1 v 1 in that situation but not at the point in the game, especially to the guy who has several drops already.

In the future, I hope MLF and Love learn from that and don't risk a dropped/defended pass in that critical of situation putting our defense against the wall constantly. Sure, run the WRs deep and make it look like we are going to bomb one but then sneak a guy in the flat or 3 yards out.. we need a package of safe plays like that to run clock, protect a lead and have us in 3rd and less than 5. Or even sneak our backup QB in for some RPO stuff.. idk but not that Rodgers' stuff. We've been leaving teams with 4 min to beat us for way too many years.

Low risk/high reward on the 2nd down play. Lineman just made a good play because the slant was open for an easy first down.

[-Jragon-]

So if the reciever is open 30 yards down field better to throw to a covered guy nearer to the LoS. Good to know. Such a great idea.

It's impressive that you think these swing passes are a guarenteed 3 yards a pop when the line is being crowded

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Worked pretty well for check down Tommy.. 7 rings using them ... let the RB or TE chip a lineman and then leak out to the side 80%+ completion on those shorter passes. They might get contact early but keeping their feet moving those 3 or 4 yards are there. Rodgers was a rockstar throwing bombs on 4th and 3, but 1 ring. I'd say send a decoy deep to back off the safeties but learn that conservative game for instances that you're up and have the ball with 3 minutes left. Keep the clock moving.. run out their timeouts. If you disagree, cool

You mean the drag route over the middle of the field to his slot recievers?????? Yes that worked out well for him

The "decoy" of Wicks going deep didn't back off the safties. Hense why he was open. Those safties where up near the LoS defending the very routes you are so adamantly calling for.

And to go back to a earlier post of yours all your calling for is to go to an ultra conservative game plan. Run the ball, no route past 3 yards unless it's a decoy and make them burn all there timeouts even if it means little chance at a 1st.

Mind you had it been UNDER 2 minutes or right up on two minutes there could be an argument to be made there. That wasn't the case.





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Those are good points. We already put ourselves in a hole by not getting at least 3 yards on that 1st down run. On 2nd, we swing it to Reed or Kraft as the D keys on Jacobs-- the safety is there to make the play but those are tough tackles and hoping to make a move and fall/push forward and now you have a 3rd and 6. Yep, looking for that 7 yard curl or in route. It's not 100% but at least they have 1 less timeout and it's better than that Wicks go deep stuff. Catch that 7 yard pass and now at best Stafford gets the ball back after 3 runs with, what, 30 or 40 seconds and no timeouts?

[-Jragon-]

So after we had that long, time consuming drive, the Rams score and now there's around 4 min left. Jacobs runs for a 1st down, Rams use a timeout - good. Jacobs runs again for zero yards, Rams use another timeout - ok.

Here's where I get confused. 2nd down we try to throw and it's defended stopping the clock... the Rams still had a timeout left.. any dumpoff pass or handoff and they have to burn their last timeout. When we 1st got the ball back, I was thinking.. how would Tom Brady kill this clock and end the game? It would be all handoffs and high % underneath throws to good runners in the flat or under 5 yards with a goal of keeping the clock running and staying out of 3rd and long. Then to make it worse, 3rd and 10.. in Rodgerseque style we have to throw a low% 30 yard bomb instead of a higher % 11 yard pass. I know that we had a 1 v 1 in that situation but not at the point in the game, especially to the guy who has several drops already.

In the future, I hope MLF and Love learn from that and don't risk a dropped/defended pass in that critical of situation putting our defense against the wall constantly. Sure, run the WRs deep and make it look like we are going to bomb one but then sneak a guy in the flat or 3 yards out.. we need a package of safe plays like that to run clock, protect a lead and have us in 3rd and less than 5. Or even sneak our backup QB in for some RPO stuff.. idk but not that Rodgers' stuff. We've been leaving teams with 4 min to beat us for way too many years.

Low risk/high reward on the 2nd down play. Lineman just made a good play because the slant was open for an easy first down.

What makes it high risk to me is that he's got a short drop back and trying to throw it over a jumping lineman.. those get tipped a lot and with our luck that could also get picked off after the tip. With a deeper drop he can find a lane to throw in and check down if needed. His pick last week was on a tipped pass right in that area, too. Or audible to a different hole for Jacobs to run to to avoid that blitz and at least they burn the timeout.

[-Jragon-]

With Brady as the case study here, RBs James White and Bolden or whoever would combine for 10+ catches each game and those were in the flat. The drag routes were likely also checkdowns (not short drop backs) because that's checkdown Tommy. He looks deep 1st, then dumps it off. I'd Love to see Love end some games like that when up points and with the ball. It's more like keep away than bombs away.

[RRyder823]

With Brady as the case study here, RBs James White and Bolden or whoever would combine for 10+ catches each game and those were in the flat. The drag routes were likely also checkdowns (not short drop backs) because that's checkdown Tommy. He looks deep 1st, then dumps it off. I'd Love to see Love end some games like that when up points and with the ball. It's more like keep away than bombs away.

And if that reciever was open what would he do?.................



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[MoMM]

Gary had 1 assist. I don't remember his name being mentioned once.

He is absolutely MIA.

Just looked at his contract - we have an out after this year.

His cap hit is $25 mil but we can cut (or trade him) and it costs us $25 mil. With deals coming up for recent draft picks I think this will absolutely be on the table for next year if he doesn't turn it around.

Bad decision to extend someone with low football IQ before transitioning to a new D schema.
Same kind of goes to Clark, except the low football IQ.

[-Jragon-]

With Brady as the case study here, RBs James White and Bolden or whoever would combine for 10+ catches each game and those were in the flat. The drag routes were likely also checkdowns (not short drop backs) because that's checkdown Tommy. He looks deep 1st, then dumps it off. I'd Love to see Love end some games like that when up points and with the ball. It's more like keep away than bombs away.

And if that reciever was open what would he do?.................



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Go deep normally but up 5 with 3 min check down Tommy is keeping the clock moving, making them burn timeouts and get 3 or 4 yards every down. We've been on the frustrating other end if that and now I want us to learn that instead of the Rockstar 1 ring Rodgers glory bombs. 4th and 2, go deep guys. Maybe a few more darkness retreats and he'll also figure out how to run clock instead of having a fast possession and pray the defense saves your a$$. We have Love now... checkdown Love when we're up at the end.

[ReasonablySober]

You don't need any kind of football IQ to rush the passer, you need a counter move.

[RRyder823]

With Brady as the case study here, RBs James White and Bolden or whoever would combine for 10+ catches each game and those were in the flat. The drag routes were likely also checkdowns (not short drop backs) because that's checkdown Tommy. He looks deep 1st, then dumps it off. I'd Love to see Love end some games like that when up points and with the ball. It's more like keep away than bombs away.

And if that reciever was open what would he do?.................



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Go deep normally but up 5 with 3 min check down Tommy is keeping the clock moving, making them burn timeouts and get 3 or 4 yards every down. We've been on the frustrating other end if that and now I want us to learn that instead of the Rockstar 1 ring Rodgers glory bombs. 4th and 2, go deep guys. Maybe a few more darkness retreats and he'll also figure out how to run clock instead of having a fast possession and pray the defense saves your a$$. We have Love now... checkdown Love when we're up at the end.

The man was open. It wasn't a forced throw it was making the correct read.

If you wanna die on the "check down into coverage instead of throwing the open man" have it. Its a strange hill but it's all yours

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[-Jragon-]

It's a good read, you're right. I just want higher % at that situation.. we're all going to be dead on hills giving NFL stud QBs 3 min and a timeout for a desperation drive. Want to give Darnold that opportunity? We better figure something out

[RRyder823]

It's a good read, you're right. I just want higher % at that situation.. we're all going to be dead on hills giving NFL stud QBs 3 min and a timeout for a desperation drive. Want to give Darnold that opportunity? We better figure something out

Throwing to a guy that's open is higher percentage then a guy that's covered. No need to reinvent the wheel here

3+ minutes and 1 TO versus 3+ minutes with no TOs isn't this huge discrepancy your making it out to be either.

But yes this is your hill to die on so have at it



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