Postgame thread: Knicks @ Hornets

[Capn'O]

Thibs already said he's ready for Mitch to be back...

[mpharris36]

Well yes. Denver plays a bunch of big ass players and do a rim protection by committee to cover for Jokic and it works.

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It's debatable because I watched the playoffs and Olympics. The Wolves won because they started letting him take wide open 3s off the 4/5 PNR with Gordon and he shot 8/34 on open 3 pointers including 4/18 on wide open 3 pointers. It's literally why they lost, I posted a bunch of clips of how KAT and Gobert defended him in the part 2 thread of the KAT trade. Letting Jokic become a shooter, when he's not comfortable shooting, is by far the most proven way to defend him.

they play one elite big type player in Gordon...MPJ has size and is a great shooter I wouldn't call him an impact defender that would cover anything up.

KCP is a good wing defender.

I don't see how OG and Mikal couldn't make a similar impact as those two.

OG and Mikal haven't had that impact to their point in their career and Thibs defensive system looked like his norm yesterday. It's a possibility, but certainly not a probability. Thibs already said he's ready for Mitch to be back doesn't look like that's the long term plan.

I think OG in the small sample size last year showed how ELITE a defender he can be. He just needs to stay healthy. And Mikal at one point was a 1st team all defense...so he has had plenty of impact...I would say way more accolades as a defender than KCP.

I also would take preseason with a grain of salt. No one is trying outside of young guys. You are just trying to get some kind of report with your teammates and get into the flow. No one is playing at a high level defensively and locking in on that end. Also unlikely they even went over "scouting reports" or stuff either. Just trying to get a sweat in and stay healthy.

Mitch will certainly be a nice mid season addition as it just gives us more flexibility and ability to add rim protection and interior defense to match and go big if we need too. I just don't think you can put all your eggs in that basket as Mitch health really isn't trust worthy. I'm treating him as a luxury at this point.

[stuporman]

How dare any of the starters not give 100% in games that count 0%...it's not like an injury would change the course of a season or anything.

[Guano]

this place is just like everywhere else, this is discourse in this country nowadays. "i don't want to hear anything i don't fully agree with. and i want the people saying it gone if they don't stop saying it"

Yep, people can't have debates without being ignorant and disrespectful to the other side. It sucks.

I'm open to being wrong about KAT at the 5 and I'm sure you are too, but apparently if you think it's not gonna work you're just "trolling and rooting him to fail" like wtf?

I think you should be entitled to voicing your opinion even if it's inconvenient for the broader discourse around the Knicks.

Time will tell who was wrong and who was right, if either even happens in such a simplistic manner. Not that it matters to begin with. Nobody here has proven to be Jerry West.

Dialogue is rare nowadays and that's from all angles. It's regrettable. But dialogue requires listening and it's much easier to sit on one's high horse and judge, condemn, essentially dehumanize, than it is to risk engaging in an open discussion. When people call you "hater", "troll", that's what they essentially do. It's a way to strip you of your voice. You're no longer a rational actor and therefore your freedom of speech deserves to be revoked or punished. It's a totalitarian act.

Now I don't agree with the way you read some of the numbers around KAT, and I think you're decontextualizing his career too much, but that's just basketball talk.

[E-Balla]

they play one elite big type player in Gordon...MPJ has size and is a great shooter I wouldn't call him an impact defender that would cover anything up.

KCP is a good wing defender.

I don't see how OG and Mikal couldn't make a similar impact as those two.

OG and Mikal haven't had that impact to their point in their career and Thibs defensive system looked like his norm yesterday. It's a possibility, but certainly not a probability. Thibs already said he's ready for Mitch to be back doesn't look like that's the long term plan.

I think OG in the small sample size last year showed how ELITE a defender he can be. He just needs to stay healthy. And Mikal at one point was a 1st team all defense...so he has had plenty of impact...I would say way more accolades as a defender than KCP.

I also would take preseason with a grain of salt. No one is trying outside of young guys. You are just trying to get some kind of report with your teammates and get into the flow. No one is playing at a high level defensively and locking in on that end. Also unlikely they even went over "scouting reports" or stuff either. Just trying to get a sweat in and stay healthy.

Mitch will certainly be a nice mid season addition as it just gives us more flexibility and ability to add rim protection and interior defense to match and go big if we need too. I just don't think you can put all your eggs in that basket as Mitch health really isn't trust worthy. I'm treating him as a luxury at this point.

Being an elite defender doesn't have anything to do with it. It's the defensive fit. With two bad defenders in the starting 5 you need someone at the rim.

[KnixinSix]

they play one elite big type player in Gordon...MPJ has size and is a great shooter I wouldn't call him an impact defender that would cover anything up.

KCP is a good wing defender.

I don't see how OG and Mikal couldn't make a similar impact as those two.

OG and Mikal haven't had that impact to their point in their career and Thibs defensive system looked like his norm yesterday. It's a possibility, but certainly not a probability. Thibs already said he's ready for Mitch to be back doesn't look like that's the long term plan.

I think OG in the small sample size last year showed how ELITE a defender he can be. He just needs to stay healthy. And Mikal at one point was a 1st team all defense...so he has had plenty of impact...I would say way more accolades as a defender than KCP.

I also would take preseason with a grain of salt. No one is trying outside of young guys. You are just trying to get some kind of report with your teammates and get into the flow. No one is playing at a high level defensively and locking in on that end. Also unlikely they even went over "scouting reports" or stuff either. Just trying to get a sweat in and stay healthy.

Mitch will certainly be a nice mid season addition as it just gives us more flexibility and ability to add rim protection and interior defense to match and go big if we need too. I just don't think you can put all your eggs in that basket as Mitch health really isn't trust worthy. I'm treating him as a luxury at this point.

They all have to mesh but the nova boys: Bridges is high IQ, Hart is high IQ, and Brunson is high IQ. OG seems very high IQ as well. KAT is a bit of a wild card on if they can mask the weaknesses and accentuate the strengths but if they do this will be a beastly team. Im betting they will get the best out of him but it may take a little time to mesh.

[Guano]

Deuce > Donte

Theyre not ready for that

[Clyde_Style]

Is it too early for me to start calling for Kolek to be in the rotation or nah? I'm itching to overreact

That's not an overreaction, I've seen people say he's Mark Price. Step your game up.

Whoo boy. I'm way behind the curve then.

Kolek needs to start.

Attaboy

[Clyde_Style]

Good to see RealAgenda is alive again after the summer

Genuinely loathe the doom & gloom opinions along with the groundhogs day bait style postings

Can’t wait for the season to start

Also screw this guy

Looks like an outfit that got someone booted from Project Runway

[Clyde_Style]

it sure feels as though people here are rooting for KAT to fail

I dont get it

[thebuzzardman]

Thibs already said he's ready for Mitch to be back...

Mitch looking chubby as hell.

Time for the medical staff to have that Ozempic discussion with him.

[Clyde_Style]

i'm sure some of you guys on your high horse have criticized a member of the knicks once or twice. you must have wanted them to fail at the time. sad.

If you're really going to go there, I was always saying even if I was not a Randle fan I wanted him to do well because I'm a Knicks fan and if he does well it helps our team.

In fact, before he got hurt last season I was very satisfied with his play last season. I thought it was some of the best ball he'd played here. The only thing missing was the defense he played during the regular season of bubble season for which I and countless others were openly scornful of, because he played defense last year like a little bitch. But he played elite bully ball last season and he got his compliments and insults for his play on both ends of the court.

I wanted him to be the best version of himself and to play some defense too. That's not what you're talking about which is rooting for him to fail. You can be critical of a player while still supporting them and you can also talk about their pros and cons without trolling the board. I think you're not trolling most of the time actually and do want to talk hoops, but your sidekick is not so inclined and seems more interested in KAT failing than the Knicks winning because of his success in NY.

[Clyde_Style]

We can't even have healthy debates with metrics on here anymore. What happened to this place

this place is just like everywhere else, this is discourse in this country nowadays. "i don't want to hear anything i don't fully agree with. and i want the people saying it gone if they don't stop saying it"

But, in your case it's pretty transparent, you're hoping it doesn't work because it makes Walking Boot expendable. You are absolutely correct, this truly discourse in this country in a nutshell, acting fair and balanced when there's an ulterior motive funding your stance.


sham's post paid for by Big Mitch corporation, a subsidiary of Ford F-350 pickup trucks and Walking Boots.

Don't you want a healthy Mitch to play with KAT?

[rajajackal]

Yep, people can't have debates without being ignorant and disrespectful to the other side. It sucks.

I'm open to being wrong about KAT at the 5 and I'm sure you are too, but apparently if you think it's not gonna work you're just "trolling and rooting him to fail" like wtf?

I think you should be entitled to voicing your opinion even if it's inconvenient for the broader discourse around the Knicks.

Time will tell who was wrong and who was right, if either even happens in such a simplistic manner. Not that it matters to begin with. Nobody here has proven to be Jerry West.

Dialogue is rare nowadays and that's from all angles. It's regrettable. But dialogue requires listening and it's much easier to sit on one's high horse and judge, condemn, essentially dehumanize, than it is to risk engaging in an open discussion. When people call you "hater", "troll", that's what they essentially do. It's a way to strip you of your voice. You're no longer a rational actor and therefore your freedom of speech deserves to be revoked or punished. It's a totalitarian act.

Now I don't agree with the way you read some of the numbers around KAT, and I think you're decontextualizing his career too much, but that's just basketball talk.

only post in this thread talking real hoops

[Clyde_Style]

Shamet is going to make people forget about Donte. He’s low key better than him. He will shine here.

Watching back parts of the game on replay now and I'm noticing he's smooth off the ball and understands where to get to on the floor.

[ctorres]

Shamet is going to make people forget about Donte. He’s low key better than him. He will shine here.

Watching back parts of the game on replay now and I'm noticing he's smooth off the ball and understands where to get to on the floor.

Here is a plot twist for you.

Landry Shamet moves to the starting lineup. Josh Hart goes to the bench.

Knicks become unguardable with 5 guys who could all shoot in the high 30's or above 40 percent from three.

Shamet will get those wide open looks that Hart gets, won't hesitate to shoot them, and will knock them down.

Hart off the bench ensures that he, Anunoby, or Bridges are on the floor at all times.

[Guano]

I think you should be entitled to voicing your opinion even if it's inconvenient for the broader discourse around the Knicks.

Time will tell who was wrong and who was right, if either even happens in such a simplistic manner. Not that it matters to begin with. Nobody here has proven to be Jerry West.

Dialogue is rare nowadays and that's from all angles. It's regrettable. But dialogue requires listening and it's much easier to sit on one's high horse and judge, condemn, essentially dehumanize, than it is to risk engaging in an open discussion. When people call you "hater", "troll", that's what they essentially do. It's a way to strip you of your voice. You're no longer a rational actor and therefore your freedom of speech deserves to be revoked or punished. It's a totalitarian act.

Now I don't agree with the way you read some of the numbers around KAT, and I think you're decontextualizing his career too much, but that's just basketball talk.

only post in this thread talking real hoops

You can always count on guan0 and gr33narr0w to keep it 100

[Clyde_Style]

Also, watching back the game, both OG and Mikal were mostly in sleep mode for the first game.

Our defense will improve considerably. We won't be the top team in the league even I want them to aspire to that as a stubborn Thibs-led team, I understand we may have to settle for being decent on D at first while we wait for Mitch to get healthy.

But OG and Mikal in gear will make us look far better than we looked on the outset. They just were not plugged in yet.

[Clyde_Style]

Shamet is going to make people forget about Donte. He’s low key better than him. He will shine here.

Watching back parts of the game on replay now and I'm noticing he's smooth off the ball and understands where to get to on the floor.

Here is a plot twist for you.

Landry Shamet moves to the starting lineup. Josh Hart goes to the bench.

Knicks become unguardable with 5 guys who could all shoot in the high 30's or above 40 percent from three.

Shamet will get those wide open looks that Hart gets, won't hesitate to shoot them, and will knock them down.

From your mouth to Thibs ear

If it happens you'll be Nostratorres

[Jalen Bluntson]

Shamet is going to make people forget about Donte. He’s low key better than him. He will shine here.

Watching back parts of the game on replay now and I'm noticing he's smooth off the ball and understands where to get to on the floor.

Here is a POT twist for you.

Landry Shamet moves to the starting lineup. Josh Hart goes to the bench.

Knicks become unguardable with 5 guys who could all shoot in the high 30's or above 40 percent from three.

Shamet will get those wide open looks that Hart gets, won't hesitate to shoot them, and will knock them down.

Hart off the bench ensures that he, Anunoby, or Bridges are on the floor at all times.

Fixed it. Puff puff pass bro.