Malcolm Brogdon. Wizards guard.

[AFM]

So let me get this straight, we traded our best player (a HOF lock at this point), on the best contract in the league, for 2 busts and someone who's already injured? Am I reading this right?

[doclinkin]

So let me get this straight, we traded our best player (a HOF lock at this point), on the best contract in the league, for 2 busts and someone who's already injured? Am I reading this right?

What 2 busts? Rookie Bub, a 2029 first, and two seconds, not yet traded. Plus the injured guy.

For the best player in the universe, who carried us to the luminous heights of a glorious 15 wins last year.

[AFM]

So let me get this straight, we traded our best player (a HOF lock at this point), on the best contract in the league, for 2 busts and someone who's already injured? Am I reading this right?

What 2 busts? Rookie Bub, a 2029 first, and two seconds, not yet traded. Plus the injured guy.

For the best player in the universe, who carried us to the luminous heights of a glorious 15 wins last year.

You hear a sound over your head right now?

[tontoz]

So let me get this straight, we traded our best player (a HOF lock at this point), on the best contract in the league, for 2 busts and someone who's already injured? Am I reading this right?

What 2 busts? Rookie Bub, a 2029 first, and two seconds, not yet traded. Plus the injured guy.

For the best player in the universe, who carried us to the luminous heights of a glorious 15 wins last year.

I think you might want to get your sarcasm detector repaired before the season starts.

[doclinkin]

True. I’m just twitchy. Tired of the Deni whining. Like as much as I like the guy, he’s had the fussiest fans I’ve ever encountered. When he was here, and now somehow it’s twice as bad with him off the team.

[bsilver]

True. I’m just twitchy. Tired of the Deni whining. Like as much as I like the guy, he’s had the fussiest fans I’ve ever encountered. When he was here, and now somehow it’s twice as bad with him off the team.

I’m “fussy” because one of my only reasons for bothering to watch a game is gone. Now our “best” players are Poole (worst contract in the league) and Kuzma (Mr Inefficiency). So, not only are we bad, we get to see bad basketball.
About the only reason to watch now is to see if our rookies show any promise to be good a few years down the road. In the meantime we have to watch them be greatly overmatched by older players

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

True. I’m just twitchy. Tired of the Deni whining. Like as much as I like the guy, he’s had the fussiest fans I’ve ever encountered. When he was here, and now somehow it’s twice as bad with him off the team.

I’m “fussy” because one of my only reasons for bothering to watch a game is gone. Now our “best” players are Poole (worst contract in the league) and Kuzma (Mr Inefficiency). So, not only are we bad, we get to see bad basketball.
About the only reason to watch now is to see if our rookies show any promise to be good a few years down the road. In the meantime we have to watch them be greatly overmatched by older players

Fussy as charged, too. Still an awful trade, a couple months makes no difference.

I laughed at the notion that we somehow miraculously "extracted" value with an always injured Brogden. Just another straw the Dawkin fan boys were grasping at to act like it was a good trade.

First of many receipts to be called on this one, fan boys.

[payitforward]

You know... I could do without the "fan boys" sarcasm.

I liked Deni & still do. I hope he does well in Portland.
But, acting like this was a foolish or one-sided trade is senseless.

We got Bub Carrington for Deni.
Do you know, somehow, that Deni will have a better career overall than Bub?

We also got a R1 pick in '29 for Deni.
Do you know, somehow, that whoever that picks gets us is going to be a bust? Low value? Meh? Do you know anything about him?

We also got a couple of R2 picks.
How long a list would you like of outstanding players in the league right now who were taken in R2?

We also got Malcolm Brogdon. Is he valueless as well?
Brogdon was a R2 pick, btw.

We are all just fans, of course, & of course we all have a right to an opinion. But, the idea that you are qualified -- in any sense at all -- to issue summary judgments, ala "an awful trade," is just plain rldiculous. You're not.

It could turn out to be a bad trade, to be sure. It could turn out to be a great trade; that's also possible. Or, it could turn out to be a typical NBA trade -- in which teams exchange more or less equal value. That's the most likely outcome.

[queridiculo]

Just came here to post LOL.

[doclinkin]

Looks like Brogdon is off the injury list.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278075/Malcolm-Brogdon-In-Line-To-Make-Wizards-Debut-On-Sunday

[dobrojim]

It's too bad we don't really want to win very much.

Otherwise this would be an unqualified good thing. That said, I'm happy for him he's healthy.

Best of both worlds, he does a better job of mentoring as an active player than an injured one, we win a little more
but not enough to meaningfully hurt the tank very much. And/Or he returns valuable draft capital in a trade.
And maybe then he gets to play meaningful minutes for a team trying hard to win. Unless he decides he likes
it here in which case I hope he gets to stick around.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

It's too bad we don't really want to win very much.

Otherwise this would be an unqualified good thing. That said, I'm happy for him he's healthy.

Best of both worlds, he does a better job of mentoring as an active player than an injured one, we win a little more
but not enough to meaningfully hurt the tank very much. And/Or he returns valuable draft capital in a trade.
And maybe then he gets to play meaningful minutes for a team trying hard to win. Unless he decides he likes
it here in which case I hope he gets to stick around.

Hopefully his presence as a composed, sound decision-making, veteran on the court causes Kuzma to have an epiphany about just how selfish and sh!!!* an influence he's been to the development of the young guys.

[nate33]

I hope he plays great and we trade him immediately. We have no need for a 31-year-old guard except as trade bait. While he plays for us, he will only take developmental minutes from youngsters, while also losing us lotto balls.

Currently, Carrington, Poole and Kispert are each averaging 30 minutes, and Bilal is averaging 35. Butler and Davis are totaling maybe 6 non-garbage time minutes a game. If Brogdon starts getting 25 minutes a game, those minutes are going to come from these guys.

I don't mind his first 6 minutes will coming from Butler/Davis, and another 5 minutes coming from Kispert, but beyond that, his remaining minutes are likely to come from Carrington and Bilal.

[DCZards]

Yeah, as much as I like Brogdan’s style of play and believe that he’ll be a great oncourt mentor for the youngins, I am worried that he’s going to take valuable developmental minutes away from a guy like Bub.

On the other hand, if Bub’s minutes go from 30 a game to 25 or so that wouldn’t be too bad. Sometimes watching someone like Brogdan from the bench can be a good thing.

It was reported that Carrington had a long conversation with Chris Paul after the SA game. Hopefully, Chris told Bub to be more aggressive offensively and trust his midrange game. Who better to say that than a true master of the midrange jumper.

[DCZards]

Yeah, as much as I like Brogdan’s style of play and believe that he’ll be a great oncourt mentor for the youngins, I am worried that he’s going to take valuable developmental minutes away from a guy like Bub.

On the other hand, if Bub’s minutes go from 30 a game to 25 or so that wouldn’t be too bad. Sometimes watching someone like Brogdan from the bench can be a good thing.

It was reported that Carrington had a long conversation with Chris Paul after the SA game. Hopefully, Chris told Bub to be more aggressive offensively and trust his midrange game. Who better to say that than a true master of the midrange jumper.

[doclinkin]

I hope he plays great and we trade him immediately. We have no need for a 31-year-old guard except as trade bait. While he plays for us, he will only take developmental minutes from youngsters, while also losing us lotto balls.

Currently, Carrington, Poole and Kispert are each averaging 30 minutes, and Bilal is averaging 35. Butler and Davis are totaling maybe 6 non-garbage time minutes a game. If Brogdon starts getting 25 minutes a game, those minutes are going to come from these guys.

I don't mind his first 6 minutes will coming from Butler/Davis, and another 5 minutes coming from Kispert, but beyond that, his remaining minutes are likely to come from Carrington and Bilal.

We play 9 deep right now, I'm okay with Brogdon coming off the bench to siphon a few minutes each from any/all of the 30+ mpg stalwarts.

82 games is a long season, NBA games are longer than NCAA/FIBA -- the reason why rookies hit a wall and you see diminishing returns on extra minutes late in the year. We are playing 3 rookies who are putting max effort on defense in particular. It's been noted that Bilal's defense on the opponents' top scorers means may lack energy to attack on the other end. With an extra player sharing the load you might see more energy on offense from the young players. Better organization too in learning where to pick their spots. I think he could even raise the trade value of a player like Kispert who works best with a skilled set-up man directing the action.

At his best the all-purpose 6th man Brogdon can slot in to any wing spot. Primary ball handler, off ball shooter/back door threat, defensive pitbull. If he soaks up all the Butler/Davis minutes, and a few minutes each in relief of Poole/Kispert/Bub/Bilal. I'm most curious to see if he and George develop an effective 2 man game with each other. I can see similarities in their cerebral style of play, though Malcolm is physically stronger. If Keyshawn developed into a 6'8" version of Brogdon I'd be right pleased.

Yeah I'd like Brogdon to play well and be traded for a solid haul. But failing that I would not mind him sticking around in future years re-signed at a bargain contract, to take up the Gill spot as the end of bench veteran who guides and focuses the constant tide of rooks we look to be adding with the extra draft picks we are harvesting all the time.

[JAR69]

At this point, it seems unlikely that we will find a deal for Brogdon. It's just hard to find a salary match, and his injury history is a valid reason not to trade for him. I would have considered him a lock for a buyout (https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-malcolm-brogdon-wizards-buyout-candidate-not-traded), to be picked up by a contender. But I see now that the teams in the first and second apron can't sign bought out players who made more that the non-taxpayer MLE. Which includes Brogdon. That means, nine teams currently couldn't sign him: Phoenix, Minny, Boston, Milwaukee, Knicks, Heat, Lakers, Denver, Sixers. And Golden State and Dallas don't currently have enough room under the 1st apron (and are hard capped at it) to sign him on a minimum for the rest of the season.

He has some value as a vet advisor type for Bub and likely others. It doesn't matter much either way, but I would be inclined to keep him for the rest of the year unless he asks for the buyout.

[JAR69]

Also, the buyout rule may lead some teams to try to get under the first apron. We might benefit from takng in money through our trade exception and space under the first apron.

[dckingsfan]

My only fear is that they try to sign Bagley, Holmes or Brogdon to one of those declining contracts. It has served them so well with Kuz and Kispert, I could see them doubling down and doing it again.

They should go into the off-season with:

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Player   2025-26
Poole   $31,848,215
Kuzma   $21,477,272
Kispert   $13,975,000
Sarr   $11,808,240
Valančiūnas   $10,395,000
Coulibaly   $7,275,600
Bey   $6,118,644
Carrington   $4,677,600
George   $2,966,760
Team Totals   $110,542,331

Plus their FRP and 3 SRPs. That leaves two slots open to take on bad contracts and get more draft assets.

[nate33]

My only fear is that they try to sign Bagley, Holmes or Brogdon to one of those declining contracts. It has served them so well with Kuz and Kispert, I could see them doubling down and doing it again.

They should go into the off-season with:

Code: Select all

Player   2025-26
Poole   $31,848,215
Kuzma   $21,477,272
Kispert   $13,975,000
Sarr   $11,808,240
Valančiūnas   $10,395,000
Coulibaly   $7,275,600
Bey   $6,118,644
Carrington   $4,677,600
George   $2,966,760
Team Totals   $110,542,331

Plus their FRP and 3 SRPs. That leaves two slots open to take on bad contracts and get more draft assets.

There's no chance they do that.

Brogdon is too old and injury prone to sign to a long term deal.

Bagley will probably be a vet-minimum contract or maybe a room-minimum contract next year. He's good enough to get minutes in this league, but nobody is going to pay him much.

Holmes will definitely be a minimum salary guy and might not even be in the league next year. The guy looked washed in his last two seasons in Sacramento and Dallas, and his stock isn't improving by not getting minutes on the worst team in the league. (He did look decent in his 17-game stint with the Wizards last year.)

My guess is that they're all gone unless one of them chooses to stay on a vet minimum deal. I suppose Brogdon could conceivably be resigned on a 1-year deal for $10M-ish money if we are trying to get up to the minimum salary.