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[ShootingtheJ]

Ryan Dunn can shoot 3s now. I'm going to be sick.

Horst passed on the defensive dynamo we desperately needed to take the guy who couldn't get on the floor in the NBL. Horst is a joke.

Andre Jackson hit like 40% from 3 for most of the season last year...in real nba games, not preseason. That doesn't mean he can shoot now.

Also, you really think a rookie is going to be playable in a conference finals or finals? The odds of him both hitting as a two way player and being playable in the deep playoffs either this year or next are likely very small.

The odds of Prince being able to do that are 100%

So that's done.

Prince isn't good, his teams are consistently better when he sits.

Dunn is a rare defender, and that always makes an impact in the playoffs.

Also, we've see rotation rookies in each of the last 2 Finals. Lively made a major impact. Braun held his own, and Dunn is in a different stratosphere defensively.

[raferfenix]

Biggest thing Beal going public tells me is Khash is far from untradeable.

Beal was on Giannis’ very short list of players he wanted to play with. But not like his trade value was so high or he was such a good fit that it was some sort of offer we couldn’t refuse.

Until Dame proves us otherwise I’m hoping that not happening was for the extreme best. And if the right Middleton trade presents itself I don’t think we’d be afraid to pull the trigger.

[fansinceforever]

Speaking of young players. Im aware that our guys look terrible when they are all on the court together but, outside of AJ Johnson, all of them were drafted to be complementary pieces.

Im still very excited to see how Ajax can fit in with some of the starters. Maybe he is on when Giannis is off and hes the only non shooter. Maybe they just have him out there with Giannis and wreak havoc in transition. Honestly, get him in the dunker spot a little and see if he can be a more athletic, multidimensional Pat.

AJ Green is very one dimensional but lets just get him throwing up 5-6 cheap and easy open 3s per game off of Giannis's gravity. He should be able to touch 45%. Thats an easy, regular season wheel greaser.

Umude just had a great defensive season and also hit a very high percentage of his 3s. Get him ready to step in for Wright and Trent jr when they get banged up.

You can knock Horst's drafting but this team is well built for this season. We have depth at POA where we used to have absolutely nothing (aside from a couple months of pat bev)

I'm actually asking. How do you figure? We essentially traded Bev for a full season of Wright so that's good. Who else really at any position other than Giannis and maybe Prince can do that?

Prince better be in shape. I could see him needing to log heavy minutes for this team.

[Daver]

I can see the horst sucks at drafting narrative is funning full bore on the tracks.Fu.. find it amuzing and ill tell you why.
Horst drafts dunn all you dunn fans get a hardon because he does.Well dunn turns out to be adequate at best some team behind the bucks draft johnson who shines by his 2nd year.Can see it now the bitching n moaning of horst not drafting johnson instead.No one can tell me anything different.No matter who horst drafts with his pick the absolute whining of not drafting someone else eould be the same as it is now

[Ron Swanson]

Don't you guys dare try and challenge my status as the resident conductor of the Ryan Dunn hype train. I'm practically hand-to-hand combat-ing the urge in my head to say "I told you so".

*Repeats "it's just preseason" over and over in my head*

[chonestown]

Don't you guys dare try and challenge my status as the resident conductor of the Ryan Dunn hype train. I'm practically hand-to-hand combat-ing the urge in my head to say "I told you so".

*Repeats "it's just preseason" over and over in my head*

Even over Hoo correspondent Roger Murdock? I dunno, Swan-son.

[Ron Swanson]

Don't you guys dare try and challenge my status as the resident conductor of the Ryan Dunn hype train. I'm practically hand-to-hand combat-ing the urge in my head to say "I told you so".

*Repeats "it's just preseason" over and over in my head*

Even over Hoo correspondent Roger Murdock? I dunno, Swan-son.

[RogerMurdock]

Don't you guys dare try and challenge my status as the resident conductor of the Ryan Dunn hype train. I'm practically hand-to-hand combat-ing the urge in my head to say "I told you so".

[ShootingtheJ]

I can see the horst sucks at drafting narrative is funning full bore on the tracks.Fu.. find it amuzing and ill tell you why.
Horst drafts dunn all you dunn fans get a hardon because he does.Well dunn turns out to be adequate at best some team behind the bucks draft johnson who shines by his 2nd year.Can see it now the bitching n moaning of horst not drafting johnson instead.No one can tell me anything different.No matter who horst drafts with his pick the absolute whining of not drafting someone else eould be the same as it is now

If he ever drafts a good player again, we'll stop complaining, but he's on quite a streak of incompetence.

[Daver]

I can see the horst sucks at drafting narrative is funning full bore on the tracks.Fu.. find it amuzing and ill tell you why.
Horst drafts dunn all you dunn fans get a hardon because he does.Well dunn turns out to be adequate at best some team behind the bucks draft johnson who shines by his 2nd year.Can see it now the bitching n moaning of horst not drafting johnson instead.No one can tell me anything different.No matter who horst drafts with his pick the absolute whining of not drafting someone else eould be the same as it is now

If he ever drafts a good player again, we'll stop complaining, but he's on quite a streak of incompetence.

You didnt like the johnson or smith pick

[Ron Swanson]

When it comes to the draft it sure seems like Horst is constantly trying to be the smartest guy in the room and take these non-traditional archetypes/development path guys. Think he definitely views AJ as his potential Giannis swing-for-the-fences type pick, but his mentor Hammond was pretty good at mining the later parts of the draft (Luc, Meeks, Brogdon, Tobes, Sessions, Sanders) precisely because, IMO, he focused more on talent/translatable skills. Horst doesn't really deserve the benefit of the doubt until he actually hits on a draft pick for the first time in 6-years, even if I think he's overall been a pretty good GM.

[Bernman]

Ajax shot respectably in 1 regular season, let alone a couple preseason games.

Prospective moves for the Bucks:

- Bobby for Gabe Vincent. Add some more perimeter creativity. Would we be able to get a pick in addition?
- Pat & the aforementioned pick/2031 2nd for Paul Reed. I'd give them Tyler Smith, but that would have to be done separately.
- Waive Marjon. Sign Biyombo.

[buckboy]

Bobby over Khris is a wild take lmao

That's where I stopped reading.

[Balls2TheWalls]

If he ever drafts a good player again, we'll stop complaining, but he's on quite a streak of incompetence.

You didnt like the johnson or smith pick

You can like the picks and still feel like he is on a streak of not drafting good players. Both are objectively not good NBA players (yet).

[paulpressey25]

Speaking of young players. Im aware that our guys look terrible when they are all on the court together but, outside of AJ Johnson, all of them were drafted to be complementary pieces.

I think we're giving Horst a pass by claiming a player just has to be 'complimentary'.

Luc Richard Mbah a Moute was complimentary. As was Ersan, or Ramon Session or even Dan Gadzuric and ZaZa had their moments. Those guys could actually play.

And I'm not even asking they be as good as to how Malcolm Brogdon or Redd turned out.

These guys are just flat out bad. They do not have NBA skills to be in an 8 man rotation, period.

Maybe AJ Johnson and Tyler Smith will develop. They're super young. But this team has badly needed one of these young guys to step up and none have.

[jschligs]

It's disappointing because I felt there was a lot of good options there at 23. Shannon Jr, Collier, Filipowski, Jones. I felt the team needed more win-now pieces this season not guys that "could" be good in 2-3 years.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't really care much for all the hindsight re-litigating of any pre-2021 moves. We won a championship and I wouldn't change a thing, but post-title is all fair game at this point. And I think the immediate offseason afterwards isn't getting talked about enough.
Bobby giving us a discount to stay another season came out of left field, and that should have allowed us to give PJ the 2-yr $20 million dollar contract he wanted and he never bolts for Miami. We also had the 31st pick in that draft but decided to break that up into a bunch of 2nd's that we eventually spent on Grayson and the corpse of Jae Crowder. Herb Jones goes 3-picks after #31 in that draft and the rest is history.

If we run it back with PJ, we never have to dump Donte for the corpse of Serge Ibaka. Sure, maybe PJ still opts out and leaves after the 2022 playoffs, and maybe they don't work out an extension with Donte and he gets sign & traded for pennies, but an alternate universe where you have Donte, Herb Jones, and PJ on the roster for these past 2-3 years when those are pretty much the exact kind of guys we're all clamoring for (point-of-attack and switchable small-ball 4 defenders) would have probably avoided all these problems. We've basically been trying and failing to replace 2021 PJ for the last 3-years, and if a guy like Ryan Dunn eventually becomes that kind of impact player, then whoof, it's just another painful swing and miss.

[ReasonablySober]

We've basically been trying and failing to replace 2021 PJ for the last 3-years, and if a guy like Ryan Dunn eventually becomes that kind of impact player, then whoof, it's just another painful swing and miss.

I wanted Dunn too.

But the way I look at the Bucks draft strategy last June is they won't have many chances to add high upside talent in the next five years. I'm perfectly okay with adding guys who in three years could help carry Giannis, Dame, and Khris. Not complement, but become legit top 30 types who you build around.

Obviously a long way to go and the odds are low, but I think you have to swing for the fences.

[Matches Malone]

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[WeMajor34]

AJ Green is Horst’s saving grace at this point. Which comes with assuming Green is part of the rotation this season and he still hits his threes at a good clip.

Every other young guy is either unproven, lacking in confidence, or a shaky rotation piece at best. That’s a lot of lottery tickets for an organization that is desperate for some youth to break through.

I really don’t think Horst will be satisfied with this roster come trade deadline and some of the young guys will be shipped off in the process. Even if we get a rotation piece out of a trade with the young guys involved, Horst shouldn’t be happy with his lack of an eye for young talent coming out of the draft. It’s getting kind of ridiculous at this point.