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OT: Clinton or Bush?

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President?

Harris
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Trump
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RFK
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The Rock
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4%
Mark Cuban
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David Guetta Ft. Mark Ronson
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Michelle Obama
4
14%
Ron Desantis
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4%
Rik Smits
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18%
 
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1141 » by dakomish23 » Wed Oct 9, 2024 2:47 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:So many on here seem to hate one side of the political spectrum or the other. People should strive to be like me. I hold all human beings equally in contempt.

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Don't share the song's optimism though.


An acceptable result of the fascist onslaught for the authoritarians is that many Americans just hate all of it and become disconnected.

I saw Trump's PR person admit he's lying about FEMA but her defense was " Americans don't care about specifics". And she's right. So many ppl have become desensitized and choose to unplug completely.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1142 » by Stannis » Wed Oct 9, 2024 3:12 pm

Biden Excoriated Netanyahu on Israel’s Conduct in the War, Woodward Book Says
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/world/middleeast/biden-netanyahu-israel-woodward-book.html

In April, for instance, the president questioned Mr. Netanyahu’s conduct in the war in a phone call, asking, according to the book, “What’s your strategy, man?


“Bibi, you’ve got no strategy,” Mr. Biden replied, according to Mr. Woodward.


After Mr. Netanyahu proceeded with the invasion of Rafah anyway, Mr. Biden told advisers that Mr. Netanyahu was a liar, using an obscenity, and added that “18 out of 19 people who work for him” were also liars, the book says.


He questioned Mr. Netanyahu’s motivations, saying that “he doesn’t give” a damn about Hamas but gives a damn “only about himself,” although he used an earthier term than “damn.”


“Bibi, what the ****?” the president yelled at Mr. Netanyahu in July, the book says, after an Israeli airstrike killed a top Hezbollah military commander, Fuad Shukr, and several civilians in an airstrike near Beirut and an Israeli bomb killed Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas’s political leader, during a visit to Iran.

“You know the perception of Israel around the world increasingly is that you’re a rogue state, a rogue actor,” Mr. Biden told him, the book reports.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1143 » by Stannis » Wed Oct 9, 2024 3:14 pm

If true, the deets in that book give me some hope. Biden definitely isn't naive here. He sees what is going on.

Biden is set to meet Bibi soon. Hopefully, he lays down the hammer.

But of course, I am also losing hope in a lot of ways. Clearly, Biden knows Bibi is a loose cannon. And that Bibi wants to do whatever he can to get Trump elected. But Biden still isn't hitting back enough or at all. Bibi still has a blank check to do whatever he wants with no repercussions.

Biden needs to put a lid on all of this. As POTUS, this is his job.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1144 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 9, 2024 4:23 pm

Stannis wrote:Biden Excoriated Netanyahu on Israel’s Conduct in the War, Woodward Book Says
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/world/middleeast/biden-netanyahu-israel-woodward-book.html

In April, for instance, the president questioned Mr. Netanyahu’s conduct in the war in a phone call, asking, according to the book, “What’s your strategy, man?


“Bibi, you’ve got no strategy,” Mr. Biden replied, according to Mr. Woodward.


After Mr. Netanyahu proceeded with the invasion of Rafah anyway, Mr. Biden told advisers that Mr. Netanyahu was a liar, using an obscenity, and added that “18 out of 19 people who work for him” were also liars, the book says.


He questioned Mr. Netanyahu’s motivations, saying that “he doesn’t give” a damn about Hamas but gives a damn “only about himself,” although he used an earthier term than “damn.”


“Bibi, what the ****?” the president yelled at Mr. Netanyahu in July, the book says, after an Israeli airstrike killed a top Hezbollah military commander, Fuad Shukr, and several civilians in an airstrike near Beirut and an Israeli bomb killed Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas’s political leader, during a visit to Iran.

“You know the perception of Israel around the world increasingly is that you’re a rogue state, a rogue actor,” Mr. Biden told him, the book reports.


Woodward is a highly credible source so it's safe to take this as fact.

Okay, so my thing is, if this is the case, why is the money spigot not cut off?

Block all military aid and get on television and explain to the American people exactly why: Netanyahu has gone off the rails and we cannot support these actions. Israel is the bad actor here at this point. You can't keep pointing to Hamas and October 7 when you're out here bombing Lebanon and threatening a catastrophic regional war with Iran. On top of genocide.

Biden is literally the saying the same sh*t we've been saying here! This makes me even more aggravated at him. This stopped being about Hamas months ago, dude wanted to kill as many Palestinians as possible and then expand his violence to keep himself in power.

End it please
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1145 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Oct 9, 2024 4:26 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:So many on here seem to hate one side of the political spectrum or the other. People should strive to be like me. I hold all human beings equally in contempt.

Earth destroying meteor can't come fast enough.

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Don't share the song's optimism though.


An acceptable result of the fascist onslaught for the authoritarians is that many Americans just hate all of it and become disconnected.

I saw Trump's PR person admit he's lying about FEMA but her defense was " Americans don't care about specifics". And she's right. So many ppl have become desensitized and choose to unplug completely.


Breeding apathy is all part of the plan. I admit it. They won.

Other than I actively hate everyone. I feel that is more proactive.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1146 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 9, 2024 4:33 pm

Stannis wrote:If true, the deets in that book give me some hope. Biden definitely isn't naive here. He sees what is going on.

Biden is set to meet Bibi soon. Hopefully, he lays down the hammer.

But of course, I am also losing hope in a lot of ways. Clearly, Biden knows Bibi is a loose cannon. And that Bibi wants to do whatever he can to get Trump elected. But Biden still isn't hitting back enough or at all. Bibi still has a blank check to do whatever he wants with no repercussions.

Biden needs to put a lid on all of this. As POTUS, this is his job.


Right. I'm with you.

F*ck the Israeli lobby, and the Pro Israeli Democrats and Republicans (lol they don't care about israel they just want the rapture) that want to keep funding this madness. Let them get mad, at this point their feelings matter little.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1147 » by DOT » Wed Oct 9, 2024 4:44 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Woodward is a highly credible source so it's safe to take this as fact.

Okay, so my thing is, if this is the case, why is the money spigot not cut off?

Block all military aid and get on television and explain to the American people exactly why: Netanyahu has gone off the rails and we cannot support these actions. Israel is the bad actor here at this point. You can't keep pointing to Hamas and October 7 when you're out here bombing Lebanon and threatening a catastrophic regional war with Iran. On top of genocide.

Biden is literally the saying the same sh*t we've been saying here! This makes me even more aggravated at him. This stopped being about Hamas months ago, dude wanted to kill as many Palestinians as possible and then expand his violence to keep himself in power.

End it please

Yeah, that's the thing

I really don't care if he's privately furious with him, if he's giving him full support publicly, that's all that really matters.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1148 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 9, 2024 4:46 pm

DOT wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Woodward is a highly credible source so it's safe to take this as fact.

Okay, so my thing is, if this is the case, why is the money spigot not cut off?

Block all military aid and get on television and explain to the American people exactly why: Netanyahu has gone off the rails and we cannot support these actions. Israel is the bad actor here at this point. You can't keep pointing to Hamas and October 7 when you're out here bombing Lebanon and threatening a catastrophic regional war with Iran. On top of genocide.

Biden is literally the saying the same sh*t we've been saying here! This makes me even more aggravated at him. This stopped being about Hamas months ago, dude wanted to kill as many Palestinians as possible and then expand his violence to keep himself in power.

End it please

Yeah, that's the thing

I really don't care if he's privately furious with him, if he's giving him full support publicly, that's all that really matters.


Exactly. There is zero justification for him to pass that last aid package now. So why did he do it if he feels like this?

The hell...
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1149 » by DOT » Wed Oct 9, 2024 5:04 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:(lol they don't care about israel they just want the rapture)

Not all of them

Remember, the original solution was to send the Jews to Madagascar. They just wanted them out of the country at first. It was only once that became non-viable did they begin the final solution.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1150 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 9, 2024 5:25 pm

DOT wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:(lol they don't care about israel they just want the rapture)

Not all of them

Remember, the original solution was to send the Jews to Madagascar. They just wanted them out of the country at first. It was only once that became non-viable did they begin the final solution.


Right, the Madagascar plan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

The Madagascar Plan (German: Madagaskarplan) was a plan proposed by the Nazi German government to forcibly relocate the Jewish population of Europe to the island of Madagascar. Franz Rademacher, head of the Jewish Department of the German Foreign Office, proposed the idea in June 1940, shortly before the Fall of France. The proposal called for the handing over of control of Madagascar, then a French colony, to Germany as part of the eventual peace terms
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1151 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 9, 2024 5:32 pm

>Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts has spent the months following Donald Trump’s immunity decision in relative distress, despite the fact that he cooked up its majority opinion himself.

>The chief justice reportedly never wanted the nation’s highest court to be a cog in the political machine, but the country’s reaction to the monumental decision has skewed his vision, according to a CNN analysis published Tuesday.


https://newrepublic.com/post/186963/john-roberts-donald-trump-supreme-court-immunity

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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1152 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Oct 9, 2024 5:52 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
>Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts has spent the months following Donald Trump’s immunity decision in relative distress, despite the fact that he cooked up its majority opinion himself.

>The chief justice reportedly never wanted the nation’s highest court to be a cog in the political machine, but the country’s reaction to the monumental decision has skewed his vision, according to a CNN analysis published Tuesday.


https://newrepublic.com/post/186963/john-roberts-donald-trump-supreme-court-immunity

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Smells like bullsh*t. It's classic PR spin. F*ck that assh*le.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1153 » by j4remi » Wed Oct 9, 2024 6:07 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Stannis wrote:If true, the deets in that book give me some hope. Biden definitely isn't naive here. He sees what is going on.

Biden is set to meet Bibi soon. Hopefully, he lays down the hammer.

But of course, I am also losing hope in a lot of ways. Clearly, Biden knows Bibi is a loose cannon. And that Bibi wants to do whatever he can to get Trump elected. But Biden still isn't hitting back enough or at all. Bibi still has a blank check to do whatever he wants with no repercussions.

Biden needs to put a lid on all of this. As POTUS, this is his job.


Right. I'm with you.

F*ck the Israeli lobby, and the Pro Israeli Democrats and Republicans (lol they don't care about israel they just want the rapture) that want to keep funding this madness. Let them get mad, at this point their feelings matter little.


Prolly a good place to mention that Majority Report had a great interview with historian Ilan Pappe about the situation (with some history of zionism's origins included). Since I timestamped the link to get right to the interview, it won't embed.

https://www.youtube.com/live/8inHSiq6Ap4?si=t94y3O0zsVHttOEv&t=1269

So here's the link to the full episode. Interview starting at about 21 mins in.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1154 » by CharlesOakley » Wed Oct 9, 2024 7:00 pm

This is why I hate our two party system. Very few Americans have any interest in fighting these forever wars. Red or blue, we are going to continue to support Israel forever and feed the war machine billions of dollars. Both parties are owned by corporations and the MSM is no longer anything but political propaganda.

Without a viable 3rd party I don't see a path forward.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1155 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Oct 9, 2024 7:02 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
>Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts has spent the months following Donald Trump’s immunity decision in relative distress, despite the fact that he cooked up its majority opinion himself.

>The chief justice reportedly never wanted the nation’s highest court to be a cog in the political machine, but the country’s reaction to the monumental decision has skewed his vision, according to a CNN analysis published Tuesday.


https://newrepublic.com/post/186963/john-roberts-donald-trump-supreme-court-immunity

Roberts is a liar. He has behaved in a manner that has put him on par with Roger B.
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Smells like bullsh*t. It's classic PR spin. F*ck that assh*le.


Amen. Roberts is the worst of them all because he enables guys like Alito and Thomas by being their front man. Fascists
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1156 » by Stannis » Wed Oct 9, 2024 7:31 pm

Looks like 10 tornadoes have already hit Florida prior to Milton's landfall.

Wishing everybody there the best.

Back-to-back, hurricanes. That is just rough.
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Post#1157 » by St Knick » Wed Oct 9, 2024 7:51 pm

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Post#1158 » by Stannis » Wed Oct 9, 2024 8:12 pm

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Just for ****'s and giggles, I made a map of how dems could still win if they lost NY (and PA).

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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1159 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 9, 2024 8:22 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
https://newrepublic.com/post/186963/john-roberts-donald-trump-supreme-court-immunity

Roberts is a liar. He has behaved in a manner that has put him on par with Roger B.
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Smells like bullsh*t. It's classic PR spin. F*ck that assh*le.


Amen. Roberts is the worst of them all because he enables guys like Alito and Thomas by being their front man. Fascists


Roberts authored an opinion that flies in the face of the Constitution, that a POTUS is above the law.

He's a traitor and Harris as President needs to immediately call for the expansion of the court to 13 seats to castrate him and his federalist society backers. Then hopefully Alito and Thomas retire out of frustration, and sanity returns to the court.

While she's at it, she can boot Merrick Garland to the curb.
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Re: OT: 2nd Trump assassination attempt 

Post#1160 » by ScienceOfLosing » Wed Oct 9, 2024 8:22 pm

Back to the assassination topic. Short interview and he makes some great points.

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