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Post#81 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:03 am

Bobbymcgee wrote:My main concern is that I don't think this team can finish with a better record than Houston, thus swaying OKC to swap draft picks with the Rockets instead.


Yeah this is the rub. I mean if Kawhi plays 50-60 games we should still be decent. I have no idea what Houston's record is gonna be this year. Vegas has Rockets O/U at around 43, we are around 39. So it's close, and Kawhi's health is probably the big factor.

It would be nice to keep our pick this year, even if it's just a midrange 1st.
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Post#82 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:15 am

It's all relative, and you put it really well. I just think that maxing PG and putting us over the 2nd apron for the next couple of years or whatever was going to be really depressing, because we are definitely getting diminishing returns on these guys each year. I'm not a season ticket holder, so when the team bores me (in whatever iteration), I can stop watching live games for a bit and just keep track of what's going on.

But yeah it's easy for me to say I like the current squad better (I do), but let's see if I still feel the same way if we're 10-23 and Kawhi is out for awhile. OTOH, even with PG we are not a great team with Kawhi out. I really, really, REALLY didn't want to give PG a 4 year deal like the Sixers did, and a 3 year deal with NTC was dicey as well.

og15 wrote:If the Clippers roll out a low 40's win team, then it's just jumping on a different treadmill if that's the new expectation while Harden and Kawhi remain here, lol

It's a "better" treadmill initially (first season) because as sports fans we love the unknown and potential, and people are much less whiny when there's no expectations. There are a lot of new mid 20-ish guys who maybe could be winning players, maybe not, but they are there.

This current team isn't expected to do much, but it has old stars, which generally isn't the type of team you have for no expectations, but it isn't expected to do much. On the other hand, it has potential to be better than expected. As fans in general we are much more receptive to that than a team with high expectations who doesn't meet them. It's just a psychological thing.

Kawhi is what made (makes) the Clippers a potential contender, Kawhi only being healthy for ONE playoffs with a 4.5 month break before it started (we can count 20-21 as a half) meant that contending was only a fantasy, but not actually because of any of the other things we like to complain about, which, yes, they are important, but it's because:

Denver isn't a contender without Jokic
Warriors weren't a contebde without Steph
Mavs weren't a contender without Luka
Bucks weren't a contender without Giannis
..etc, etc, etc.

Denver isn't even a contender without Murray and Mavs without Kyrie who were the second best guys.

All those surrounding things don't matter when your best player or even second best depending on the team and opponents can't play. They can be nice to complain about, the coach, the GM, the owner, the supporting cast, but in the end, the main guy goes out and what difference does it make if those other things are great, you'll still not meet expectations.

Low expectation seasons are always more fun, they get less fun when they go past one season, because most fans still want something like tanking for superstar type guy or having a contender. Clippers do have a location bonus that many teams don't have, so that helps mitigate some issues but only if cap allows, which these days, a little more difficult.
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Post#83 » by Ballings7 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:25 am

I still believe this team will be better than a lot of people think.

Kawhi should play enough barring no major issues, and thats the key.

I think without major health issues they'll be able to win mid-to-high 40s (say 44-47 wins); if not a bit more than that.

People still underrate Kawhi and have too short of a memory and lack of content since they don't watch the team on a regular basis; they see him against their team 2-3 times a year, and maybe some highlights and maybe a couple mainstream TV games, spaced out and don't have a credible familiarity with how good he actually he is as an all-around player. Still an elite player when healthy.
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Post#84 » by Roscoe Sheed » Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:05 am

Ballings7 wrote:I still believe this team will be better than a lot of people think.

Kawhi should play enough barring no major issues, and thats the key.

I think without major health issues they'll be able to win mid-to-high 40s (say 44-47 wins); if not a bit more than that.

People still underrate Kawhi and have too short of a memory and lack of content since they don't watch the team on a regular basis; they see him against their team 2-3 times a year, and maybe some highlights and maybe a couple mainstream TV games, spaced out and don't have a credible familiarity with how good he actually he is as an all-around player. Still an elite player when healthy.

I agree- provided that the inflammation truly is under control and they figure out how to manage it. It was just last season that he had an extended time frame playing at a top 3 level- at times #1 actually- 50/50/90 for over 30 games.
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Post#85 » by esqtvd » Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:51 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
Ballings7 wrote:I still believe this team will be better than a lot of people think.

Kawhi should play enough barring no major issues, and thats the key.

I think without major health issues they'll be able to win mid-to-high 40s (say 44-47 wins); if not a bit more than that.

People still underrate Kawhi and have too short of a memory and lack of content since they don't watch the team on a regular basis; they see him against their team 2-3 times a year, and maybe some highlights and maybe a couple mainstream TV games, spaced out and don't have a credible familiarity with how good he actually he is as an all-around player. Still an elite player when healthy.

I agree- provided that the inflammation truly is under control and they figure out how to manage it. It was just last season that he had an extended time frame playing at a top 3 level- at times #1 actually- 50/50/90 for over 30 games.


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Post#86 » by Ballings7 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:58 am

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Roscoe Sheed wrote:
Ballings7 wrote:I still believe this team will be better than a lot of people think.

Kawhi should play enough barring no major issues, and thats the key.

I think without major health issues they'll be able to win mid-to-high 40s (say 44-47 wins); if not a bit more than that.

People still underrate Kawhi and have too short of a memory and lack of content since they don't watch the team on a regular basis; they see him against their team 2-3 times a year, and maybe some highlights and maybe a couple mainstream TV games, spaced out and don't have a credible familiarity with how good he actually he is as an all-around player. Still an elite player when healthy.

I agree- provided that the inflammation truly is under control and they figure out how to manage it. It was just last season that he had an extended time frame playing at a top 3 level- at times #1 actually- 50/50/90 for over 30 games.


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"When you lose a guy of Paul George's stature, instantly people [think] oh, they can't win or they're not going to be competitive," Lue told ESPN's Ohm Youngmisuk. "But that just challenges me even more. OK, people are counting us out or people don't think we're going to be good.

"That right there just gives me an extra dose of [motivation]. I can't wait to prove everybody wrong."


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10133456-ty-lue-clippers-cant-wait-to-prove-everybody-wrong-after-paul-george-nba-fa-exit


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Post#87 » by Ballings7 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:03 am

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
Ballings7 wrote:I still believe this team will be better than a lot of people think.

Kawhi should play enough barring no major issues, and thats the key.

I think without major health issues they'll be able to win mid-to-high 40s (say 44-47 wins); if not a bit more than that.

People still underrate Kawhi and have too short of a memory and lack of content since they don't watch the team on a regular basis; they see him against their team 2-3 times a year, and maybe some highlights and maybe a couple mainstream TV games, spaced out and don't have a credible familiarity with how good he actually he is as an all-around player. Still an elite player when healthy.

I agree- provided that the inflammation truly is under control and they figure out how to manage it. It was just last season that he had an extended time frame playing at a top 3 level- at times #1 actually- 50/50/90 for over 30 games.


Yes

Arguably the best player in the league from Dec (most of it) to mid-March (before he had the hip thing, and then the knee flare up). He looked amazing as he is always capable of any night. There was MVP talk around, etc.
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Post#88 » by Clemenza » Sat Oct 12, 2024 6:17 am

As of right now Miller and Kai are the guys to develop. Kai's confidence is growing with each game. They have to get him on the regular roster. Mo Bamba doesn't even care about the game and has no passion. I would even say Kai is already better than him and Goatlife has barely scratched the surface and still has a lot to learn. Also Mann and Coffey are redundant and nearly the same player. There's really no need for the both of them to be on the floor together imo. Bones and Kobe aren't that good and I expect for KPJ to improve by the start of the season.
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Post#89 » by Ballings7 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:41 pm

Kai Jones and Jordan Miller should both definitely make the big team. They both need to be in the rotation on a semi-regular basis at least.
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Post#90 » by Clipp312s » Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:50 pm

I’m really glad Jordan Miller got some time with the 2nd unit. He’s clearly better than most g-leaguers and I wanted to see how he stacks up against rotational players. Very little drop off from yesterday’s game vs Portland. This guys deserves a contract and time in the rotation. Time to trade Amir and Bones and make some room for him.

Kai Jones hasn’t been as impressive to me as much as his stats show. Athletic yes! But bball IQ is still low, very raw. Every time he gets the ball down low, a simple double team sends him into panic mode and he brings the ball down and has no idea what to do. Still, you can’t teach size and athleticism so hoping Clippers can develop him more.

Harden, Norm and Zu look to be in mid season form. Would not be surprised to see Norm in the starting 5.

DJJ still needs time to gel w the team, but vs Portland was exactly what we picked him up for. I love the fast pace, beat the defenders, full court lob pass plays and he’s so athletic. He’s got active hands and is going to be fun to watch on both sides.

Wasn’t too impressed w anyone else. Kobe Brown has moments, but still iffy if he breaks the rotation.

Fun preseason so far. If we get 50-60 games of Kawhi i think we fight for a 5-6 seed.
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Post#91 » by TrueLAfan » Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:09 pm

I wanted to hold off until I saw some of the pre-season games. Don’t know if I’ve seen enough, but what I’ve seen--

    The team has rebuilt from emphasizing offense to defense. DJJ and Dunn aren’t going to burn opponents on the offensive end. That’s not why they’re here. Our D should be solid. I think the question is if we can score enough to get through close games.

    Kai Jones looks inconsistent. But when he plays well—or even pretty well—the difference between him and, say, Moussa is huge. Moussa is a fringe NBA player. Kai Jones is, or at least could be, a legitimate rotation player that can move the needle at times. We need that.

    Harden looks ready and has a bit of a chip. That’s exactly what we need from him.

    Miller has a nice all around game. The question is translation at a higher level. Tbh, I think he’s more likely to be the “new” Coffey than anything else. That’s not a bad things—if you can get a credible rotation player in the mid-to-late second round, it’s a good thing. I question how much impact that will have. Hope I’m wrong.

    As far as I’m concerned and without question, the X-factor is Kevin Porter, Jr. He looks rusty. He’s also look plenty like the guy that was close to being a 20-5.5-5.5 guy. This is where Lue will make his money. If KPJ can get back to where he was shooting wise, and be a little smarter and better with his ball handling, he’ll be an extraordinary asset. Huge. He doesn’t have to do it right away, but if Lue can get him 25 mpg and he ramps up to a 12-3-3 guy with a better A/TO—it will help us a lot. It’s a decent sized ask, but not a huge one. The X-factor.

    Zu and Powell are entrenched and are who they are. No mysteries.

    Mann also looks the same—and this is his chance. I kinda want to say one and only chance. He’s a good locker room guy, plays hard on the D end, can shoot pretty well. But he’s not excelling in any area enough, and we need him to. Otherwise, he’s a somewhat better Amir Coffey. The difference between being a better Amir Coffey and a grade B- Paul George (or a better Kentavious Caldwell-Pope) is significant. We need him in or at least a lot nearer to the latter group.

FWIW, I think we will have a more focused team. Kawhi isn’t a vocal leader—so that mantle fell to PG. It was and is not his strength … he’s okay at it, but too moody and wrapped up in his own travails (real or perceived). We’re better off having more of a “rule by committee” attitude, and I think we’ll have it. My .02.
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Post#92 » by esqtvd » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:50 pm

TrueLAfan wrote:I wanted to hold off until I saw some of the pre-season games. Don’t know if I’ve seen enough, but what I’ve seen--

    The team has rebuilt from emphasizing offense to defense. DJJ and Dunn aren’t going to burn opponents on the offensive end. That’s not why they’re here. Our D should be solid. I think the question is if we can score enough to get through close games.

    Kai Jones looks inconsistent. But when he plays well—or even pretty well—the difference between him and, say, Moussa is huge. Moussa is a fringe NBA player. Kai Jones is, or at least could be, a legitimate rotation player that can move the needle at times. We need that.

    Harden looks ready and has a bit of a chip. That’s exactly what we need from him.

    Miller has a nice all around game. The question is translation at a higher level. Tbh, I think he’s more likely to be the “new” Coffey than anything else. That’s not a bad things—if you can get a credible rotation player in the mid-to-late second round, it’s a good thing. I question how much impact that will have. Hope I’m wrong.

    As far as I’m concerned and without question, the X-factor is Kevin Porter, Jr. He looks rusty. He’s also look plenty like the guy that was close to being a 20-5.5-5.5 guy. This is where Lue will make his money. If KPJ can get back to where he was shooting wise, and be a little smarter and better with his ball handling, he’ll be an extraordinary asset. Huge. He doesn’t have to do it right away, but if Lue can get him 25 mpg and he ramps up to a 12-3-3 guy with a better A/TO—it will help us a lot. It’s a decent sized ask, but not a huge one. The X-factor.

    Zu and Powell are entrenched and are who they are. No mysteries.

    Mann also looks the same—and this is his chance. I kinda want to say one and only chance. He’s a good locker room guy, plays hard on the D end, can shoot pretty well. But he’s not excelling in any area enough, and we need him to. Otherwise, he’s a somewhat better Amir Coffey. The difference between being a better Amir Coffey and a grade B- Paul George (or a better Kentavious Caldwell-Pope) is significant. We need him in or at least a lot nearer to the latter group.

FWIW, I think we will have a more focused team. Kawhi isn’t a vocal leader—so that mantle fell to PG. It was and is not his strength … he’s okay at it, but too moody and wrapped up in his own travails (real or perceived). We’re better off having more of a “rule by committee” attitude, and I think we’ll have it. My .02.



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Post#93 » by esqtvd » Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:24 pm

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Post#94 » by Bobbymcgee » Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:57 pm

Really like what I am seeing from these guys so far on the team:

Kai Jones
Jordan Miller
Alondes Williams

Hopefully we see them continue to improve and get more time on the court.
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Post#95 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:09 pm

Bobbymcgee wrote:Really like what I am seeing from these guys so far on the team:

Kai Jones
Jordan Miller
Alondes Williams

Hopefully we see them continue to improve and get more time on the court.


I had to look up Alondes after seeing him in the highlights LOL, he seemed to have a good game.

Out of the new guys, Kai Jones and KPJ both have that little extra juice at the NBA level that can result in easier opportunities like the game winning alley oop. KPJ has good size and great wingspan (6′ 9″) for his position. I think if we are gonna surprise at all this season, KPJ is gonna have to play a big role in it. DJJ will be absolutely fine too, if his 3PT% holds up.

Jordan Miller is looking pretty promising too IMO. Great lob to Jones at the end, Jones was not completely free but Miller put it high where only Jones was gonna get it.

This season sorta has 2021-2022 vibes for me at this point, Kawhi was out and PG played 54 games. If James is relatively healthy and Kawhi can play at least 50 we can still have a fun season.
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Post#98 » by Clemenza » Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:37 am

PG injured already?? Damn!!
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Post#100 » by wakelaunch1 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:57 am

Clemenza wrote:PG injured already?? Damn!!



i will never laugh at another mans injury but man if that isnt on brand for tandem of Kawhi/PG history. They both are a walking injury machines.

Kai Jones looks like a young Bam. Very smooth runner and moves around the court amazing for a big. Quick first explosive step with great hops and great at finishing the lob. He is everything i hoped diabate would be.

Porter is very smooth. When i look at, not sure who i would compare him too. I see a little young kobe/steve francis to his game. obviously not that good but very fluid with the ball. Still figuring stuff out after being away from the game but i do see some potential if the right coach works with him

Tucker needs to be gone tommorrow. Bones needs to be on the move for a second round pick.

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