shrink wrote:Klomp wrote:This idea is pretty clunky, but what do people think of the idea of trading Julius Randle for Jarrett Allen?
My reasoning is if they feel good about getting a new deal with Naz Reid, but decide Gobert will cost too much to retain. That would leave a potential hole at center. Allen is on a great value contract, but Cleveland might feel they need to slide Mobley to center longterm. This balances out Cleveland's offensive production, and gives Minnesota an heir apparent at C who is just 26 years old.
I think the Cavs have been considering their duplication at center with Allen and Mobley for a while now. Since Mobley is better than Allen, psychologically this makes Allen a bit more available. Randle-Mobley could be a good pairing, and if CLE looks like a contender at the Trade Deadline, Dan Gilbert might bite the bullet and add Randle’s salary. And keep in mind, the Knicks are a direct competitor to the Cavs. This could turn into last year’s Jrue Holiday trade, where we hear the Knicks say, “but we never would have included Randle if we knew he would end up on the Cavs!” Randle is eligible to be traded immediately, if he’s not combined with another player.
To get a trade between a $33 mil Randle and a $20 mil Allen to work financially, the Cavs would need to make it Jarret Allen + Dean Wade + 1st round SG Jaylon Tyson, or Allen + George Niang + a small contract. That means a third team. As for value, while I think the Trade Board undervalues successful expensive players like Randle (4 All Star Games vs 1, 2 All NBA vs 0), my TB Bias still makes me think Allen has more trade value. I agree we would need to get something from a Rudy trade to incentivize both CLE and Team Three.
Randle for Allen is intriguing on paper.
But trading for him would mean we would either trade Gobert or play the 2 together for 2 seasons.
Cleveland's cap sheet is SCARY going forward.
They have 200 million guaranteed already for next year including 1 supermax for Mitchell and 2 regular maxes for Garland and Mobley.
Allen's contract is an incredible value compared to the rest of their cap sheet for the next 2 years at 20 million per, and debatable the final 3 years at 28,30, and 32.5.
And they are in the same situation as we were in this offseason with limited ability to upgrade the roster in the future with the cap restrictions and still owing so many draft picks from the Mitchell trade.
If they traded for Randle, it would almost certainly be as a rental.
Mitchell isn't going anywhere, they couldn't give away Garland with that contract.
Other than age I really don't think Evan Mobley is that much better of a player than Jarret Allen. I just don't see it.
Allen isn't exciting, but he's better offensively than Gobert and more switchable on defense.
He's not an insane rim protector but he also never fouls (1.9 per game compared to 3.1 for Gobert and 3.3 for KAT last year).
I don't think it's a deal the Cavs would make. They would try to stick us with a Garland instead of Allen.
I don't think we would do Randle for Allen. We would have to move Gobert, because the writing would be on the wall he wasn't in our long term plans. We could do a three way where Cavs gets Randle and Allen goes to a 3rd team for something really nice for us though. That clears the way for us to re-sign Naz as our 4 going forward, but a whole season of starting probably inflates his value.
