Official Offseason Thread 9.0: The Long Road to October

[Rainwater]

We looked way better when Black was getting minutes rather than Fultz. I remember crushing the Pacers in Indiana. Black blocked Haliburton a couple of times, and Mathurin wanted to fight him because his defense was too tight.

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Yes, AB generally provided more of a boost to lineups vs Fultz. Wild that Mosley ended up benching AB. Also:

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It wasn't wild at all though, Mosley knew that Fultz was better than Black. Again, this had more to do with Fultz's experience now than the idea Black might be than Fultz in the future.

[eyriq]

We looked way better when Black was getting minutes rather than Fultz. I remember crushing the Pacers in Indiana. Black blocked Haliburton a couple of times, and Mathurin wanted to fight him because his defense was too tight.

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Yes, AB generally provided more of a boost to lineups vs Fultz. Wild that Mosley ended up benching AB. Also:

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It wasn't wild at all though, Mosley knew that Fultz was better than Black. Again, this had more to do with Fultz's experience now than the idea Black might be than Fultz in the future.

If Fultz was better it was a marginal improvement. This was 100% politics. The evidence says rookie AB was probably better.

[Rainwater]

Yes, AB generally provided more of a boost to lineups vs Fultz. Wild that Mosley ended up benching AB. Also:

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It wasn't wild at all though, Mosley knew that Fultz was better than Black. Again, this had more to do with Fultz's experience now than the idea Black might be than Fultz in the future.

If Fultz was better it was a marginal improvement. This was 100% politics. The evidence says rookie AB was probably better.

I completely disagree with this. Black was a rookie PG just getting his feet wet, he was a project. While Fultz, despite his flaws, was a decent, reliable backup for the magic. Hence, why Fultz played.

I don't see how this was political. The mere fact that Fultz is no longer on the magic should tell you it wasn't. What is the benefit to play a guy who would likely not be resigned other than he was the best option at the moment?

Again, I am not a fan of Fultz; he was definitely a flawed player, but in comparison to Black he was just better. To say Black deserved mins over Fultz would be a wrong.

[SOUL]

My son will rise again

[RookieStar]

My son will rise again

Give up the dream dude....

[pepe1991]

You could probably write a book called something like "Point guards. Last chepter is Magical".

No really. It is borderline comical. From Luke Ridnour, CJ Watson, Keith Appling, Troy Caupain, Shelv Mack, to Payton and now latest addition Fultz. I'm probably forgetting some epic ones.

Some retired right after Orlando, some ended up in exotic basketball countries, Shelv Mack now, 6 years from starting for Magic plays in some league that is college hoops...for 40 years old former college players?


Payton is G league addition to Pelicans.
Still bit shocked nobody gave Fultz at least camp invatation.

[RichCollab]

It’s really all about Paolo. Can he be a top 20 player this year? Everyone else is replaceable but the superstar. You aren’t going anywhere without a mega superstar.

[p0peye]

PG position in Magic seems like cursed ever since we traded Jameer. Whoever we label as PG, either really sucks or is not really a PG at all.

[Rainwater]

You could probably write a book called something like "Point guards. Last chepter is Magical".

No really. It is borderline comical. From Luke Ridnour, CJ Watson, Keith Appling, Troy Caupain, Shelv Mack, to Payton and now latest addition Fultz. I'm probably forgetting some epic ones.

Some retired right after Orlando, some ended up in exotic basketball countries, Shelv Mack now, 6 years from starting for Magic plays in some league that is college hoops...for 40 years old former college players?


Payton is G league addition to Pelicans.
Still bit shocked nobody gave Fultz at least camp invatation.

Truth

[Bensational]

My son will rise again

Reunited with former Magic great and ‘Mr 4th Quarter’ Willie Green, too. Expect big things. DeJounte just got there and he’s already on the hot seat.

[Skybox]

Yes, AB generally provided more of a boost to lineups vs Fultz. Wild that Mosley ended up benching AB. Also:

Read on Twitter

?t=uW2kwdb4pG1Qgm1SRkT40Q&s=19

It wasn't wild at all though, Mosley knew that Fultz was better than Black. Again, this had more to do with Fultz's experience now than the idea Black might be than Fultz in the future.

If Fultz was better it was a marginal improvement. This was 100% politics. The evidence says rookie AB was probably better.

I’m the best PG in my house right now…that doesn’t make me a good PG.

[Skybox]

You could probably write a book called something like "Point guards. Last chepter is Magical".

No really. It is borderline comical. From Luke Ridnour, CJ Watson, Keith Appling, Troy Caupain, Shelv Mack, to Payton and now latest addition Fultz. I'm probably forgetting some epic ones.

Some retired right after Orlando, some ended up in exotic basketball countries, Shelv Mack now, 6 years from starting for Magic plays in some league that is college hoops...for 40 years old former college players?


Payton is G league addition to Pelicans.
Still bit shocked nobody gave Fultz at least camp invatation.

Truth

I guess they just gave up after so many fails…just ignore the position

[SOUL]

Lot of Magic fans were bitching about Jameer for a while too.. I remember lol. Wasn't until later on in his career/post-career he got appreciated more.

[thelead]

Lot of Magic fans were bitching about Jameer for a while too.. I remember lol. Wasn't until later on in his career/post-career he got appreciated more.

I was one that wasn’t much of a fan. I didn’t hate him but wanted an upgrade. He had 1 great year (2008-2009) but other than that, he was pretty average at best. The numbers always looked good but I felt like we needed something else to unlock more of what Dwight gave us on offense.

[GelbeWand09]

Yea Jameer was pretty average PG too, with at best okayish playmaking. Only team that could rival the Magic PG tragedy of the post Penny era were the Knicks before Brunson. I loved Armstrong but he wasn't a good playmaker too and unefficient scorer (but kinda ahead of his time in taking a ton of 3's). But now even ignoring the position completely while teams like the Pacers have a better young backup PG behind a young Allstar PG than probably every post Jameer PG at the Magic is pretty ridiculous.

[Rainwater]

It wasn't wild at all though, Mosley knew that Fultz was better than Black. Again, this had more to do with Fultz's experience now than the idea Black might be than Fultz in the future.

If Fultz was better it was a marginal improvement. This was 100% politics. The evidence says rookie AB was probably better.

I’m the best PG in my house right now…that doesn’t make me a good PG.

This is where I agree. Just because Fultz was a better option then doesn't mean he was a good PG. Just shows how bad the PG position was for the Magic.

[ogmagicfan]

Well, at least here in Seminole county, the storm hasn't been that bad. Didn't lose power, but getting multiple brown outs per hour. My streets not flooded as well. Storm is now off shore. Still getting wind gusts but think they are under 75mph.

Charley will always be the worst for me, eye went right over where I lived and had no power for two weeks

Likewise with the eye going directly over my house for Charley. It was so surreal looking outside when its the eye.

I had a big oak tree in my backyard back then, and God bless the tree aint fall under the Cat 2-3 winds/rains. We cut the tree down by next Hurricane season

Gotta say though, Disney is extremely shi*** with its history of making people go into work with impending hurricanes. I had a family member stranded there

[richi_v25]

PG position in Magic seems like cursed ever since we traded Jameer. Whoever we label as PG, either really sucks or is not really a PG at all.

More like that's what we get for benching Rafer "Skip 2 my Lou" Alston when he got us to the finals. I'm still sore at Jameer for that ish.

[pepe1991]

Lot of Magic fans were bitching about Jameer for a while too.. I remember lol. Wasn't until later on in his career/post-career he got appreciated more.

I was one that wasn’t much of a fan. I didn’t hate him but wanted an upgrade. He had 1 great year (2008-2009) but other than that, he was pretty average at best. The numbers always looked good but I felt like we needed something else to unlock more of what Dwight gave us on offense.

Truth to be told, 2007-2011 ish era of NBA didn't have many strong point guards.
Top tear: Chris Paul, Parker ,Billups, Rose,Nash, Derron Williams and after that you would have Rondo, Jameer, probably Kidd, young Westbrook but that's kind a it. Andre Miller, Calderon, declining Baron Davis & Arenas who dropped off cliff at age of 26 , Iverson who retired in 2010 etc.
Very strange era for PGs.

Few days ago i was in some nonsense GB debate about Lebron vs Jordan and "level of talent " that was allegedly so much worst in 90s. And upon wasting time looking at rosters my grand conclusion was that 2004-2012-ish era was very talentless. Especially if you move away from usual top 15-18 players that would make allstar game ( with occesional pops of wtf names like Chris Kaman , Cassell,Maglorie , Roy Hibbert etc )

Diving into some random 2006-07 you would have Boozer getting MVP votes, Bargnani comming 2# for ROY ( after being 1# pick), 35 years old Bruce Bowen breaking ankles on his way to 2# in DPOY votes behind " I don't play defense any more, now i just block shots " Marcus Camby, who "anchored" 11th best defense that ,btw had Melo & AI and lost in playoffs in 5 games, to Spurs.

Spurs were so dominant that year in particular that they only lost 3 playoff games.


When you figure that out, it's not hard to understand that Nelson was probably top 10 player at his position, top 15 at worst.

In today's perspective, top 15 PG is probably Harden/Lamelo/ Holiday/ Garland

Guards nowdays are sooo damn good. They benefited from perimeter oriented offense and less physicality on defense more than anybody else.

[VFX]

Right now is really the golden era for point guards. There are too many good ones to name and some that are more wings that take on the responsibility (Harden,Luka,Booker).

I don’t consider Suggs a point guard. You have to be a dynamic scorer with the ball in your hands if you aren’t getting crazy assist numbers. Suggs hasn’t shown to do either of those things really. So, he’s filling in at that spot on offense until one comes along.

Orlando hasn’t had a good point guard in forever. Jameer was serviceable as a fourth option in his years. This organization is allergic to landing point guard talent above all other positions.