Dak Prescott thread

[bluejerseyjinx]

Probably because Mahomes doesn't play from behind most of the time Like Dak for one thing.

Exactly. The Saints put up 13 points on the Chiefs and 44 points on Dallas.

Mahomes had 0 TDs and 1 INT....but like you said he didn't even need to throw a TD. Unlike Dak who needed to throw 6 TDs to win.

bjj, you lost this particular argument.

Do you really think I give a damn what Egal fans think when it comes to my team.

[QB_Eagles]

Exactly. The Saints put up 13 points on the Chiefs and 44 points on Dallas.

Mahomes had 0 TDs and 1 INT....but like you said he didn't even need to throw a TD. Unlike Dak who needed to throw 6 TDs to win.

bjj, you lost this particular argument.

Do you really think I give a damn what Egal fans think when it comes to my team.

You just can't criticize Dak for not putting the team on his back when the QB of your team has really mediocre stats despite being 5-0.

[Mr B]

Exactly. The Saints put up 13 points on the Chiefs and 44 points on Dallas.

Mahomes had 0 TDs and 1 INT....but like you said he didn't even need to throw a TD. Unlike Dak who needed to throw 6 TDs to win.

bjj, you lost this particular argument.

Do you really think I give a damn what Egal fans think when it comes to my team.

I thought we were talking about the Cowboys not the Chiefs?

[wco81]

At the end of the day the numbers don’t matter. Numbers are great but they’re not the goal. Some of the greatest QB’s in NFL history didn’t put up great numbers. Some of the highest stat guys in NFL history have no rings. I would be perfectly fine if Dak were in the bottom half of the league in passing but he had multiple Super Bowl rings.

You are right though when you say that it’s not ALL his fault because the defense did let them down in the playoffs the last couple of seasons but a big part of those playoff losses were on him. He’s made huge mistakes in the most important games.

In year 9 can he change what he’s been and avoid those very costly mistakes? Personally I don’t think so but we will see. As long as he’s still starting he has a chance the change the narrative on himself.

Yeah I agree with all this. I'm not giving Dak a free pass for his mistakes. He was *part* of the issue in our playoff losses.

As far as year 9 goes? I have little to no hope. Dak is the same, but the team as a whole is significantly worse IMO. Specifically the defense. Zimmer has created a huge downgrade. We were a top-10 defense last season. We need at least an average defense to compete.

Now, that said. In the playoffs last season the defense was absolutely putrid. So maybe Zimmer just inherited a downgrade that somehow manifested in the post season.

I think the problem with Zimmer’s defense is the personnel. He’s trying to run his defense with most of Quinn’s guys still here.

Rex Ryan said after the Saints game that the DL wasn't playing their gaps properly. They were freelancing, leading to huge gaps.

Is it a coincidence that their play the best run defense with Prescott and Ware out with injuries?

But they also had some young LBs in the game who maybe were getting significant snaps for the first time in their careers? One was a second year LB from UTA.

[Mr B]

Yeah I agree with all this. I'm not giving Dak a free pass for his mistakes. He was *part* of the issue in our playoff losses.

As far as year 9 goes? I have little to no hope. Dak is the same, but the team as a whole is significantly worse IMO. Specifically the defense. Zimmer has created a huge downgrade. We were a top-10 defense last season. We need at least an average defense to compete.

Now, that said. In the playoffs last season the defense was absolutely putrid. So maybe Zimmer just inherited a downgrade that somehow manifested in the post season.

I think the problem with Zimmer’s defense is the personnel. He’s trying to run his defense with most of Quinn’s guys still here.

Rex Ryan said after the Saints game that the DL wasn't playing their gaps properly. They were freelancing, leading to huge gaps.

Is it a coincidence that their play the best run defense with Prescott and Ware out with injuries?

But they also had some young LBs in the game who maybe were getting significant snaps for the first time in their careers? One was a second year LB from UTA.

That’s what me and Otis were suggesting earlier. Part of reason for their improved run defense might be because Micah and DLaw didn’t play. Both have been two of the biggest freelance players in the defense. A lot of that might be because that’s what Dan Quinn teaches his guys. He wants everyone rushing upfield, gap integrity be damned.

Again though that leads me to think that the real problem is Zimmer is running his defense with Quinn’s players. If Zim sticks around this defense should improve as he’s able to get more of his type of players in.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Dak putting up Geno like stats. Pretty impressive.

Read on Twitter

Fraudulent.

He sure picked it up yesterday. Like I said, fraudulent. Dumb Dak couldn't even get garbage yards yesterday when the game was over. Progress.

[bluejerseyjinx]

When did I say that?

Reading between the lines the past couple weeks, that is the vibe feeling I'm getting from you. You more than anyone in here knows how this is all going to end. Seems like you are accepting of Dak for the next 4 years now that he is resigned.

We all know how things are likely going to end. That doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy the good moments when they happen during the regular season. I don’t have any new perception of Dak. I still don’t think Dak has what it takes to win in the playoffs but then I’ve also never seen him win a game like this. I’m just going to enjoy the good and fun moments when they happen while having zero expectations.

Oh and you don’t have to read between the lines with me. I say exactly what’s on my mind.

Maybe 3 more weeks, tops. This ain't going to be pretty moving forward.

[therealbig3]

Comparing Dak to Mahomes is idiotic...yes, if anyone deserves to get a pass for putting up mediocre numbers right now, it's Mahomes, because we KNOW what he can do. I don't even care about the 5-0 record, the Chiefs could be 0-5 and Mahomes is still untouchable. He's led his team to back to back championships including 3 in the last 4 years. The last QB to do that was Tom Brady 01-04, when he was a game manager and not carrying the team like Mahomes is. He also missed the playoffs in 02, which Mahomes has not done.

Dak...doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt for obvious reasons (just look at his masterful performance these last playoffs), and you're comparing him to a MUCH, MUCH better player. It's like if Lance Stephenson puts up similar numbers to the worst 5 game stretch of prime LeBron James's season, the season after he won back to back titles in Miami. Ok? What does that meaningfully say about Lance Stephenson? You're right...it says nothing. And it in no way absolves Lance Stephenson's poor play.

[QB_Eagles]

Comparing Dak to Mahomes is idiotic...yes, if anyone deserves to get a pass for putting up mediocre numbers right now, it's Mahomes, because we KNOW what he can do. I don't even care about the 5-0 record, the Chiefs could be 0-5 and Mahomes is still untouchable. He's led his team to back to back championships including 3 in the last 4 years. The last QB to do that was Tom Brady 01-04, when he was a game manager and not carrying the team like Mahomes is. He also missed the playoffs in 02, which Mahomes has not done.

Dak...doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt for obvious reasons (just look at his masterful performance these last playoffs), and you're comparing him to a MUCH, MUCH better player. It's like if Lance Stephenson puts up similar numbers to the worst 5 game stretch of prime LeBron James's season, the season after he won back to back titles in Miami. Ok? What does that meaningfully say about Lance Stephenson? You're right...it says nothing. And it in no way absolves Lance Stephenson's poor play.

Dak was 2nd team All-Pro last year. If past glory is so significant for Mahomes, you better put some respeck on Dak's name, too.

[azcatz11]

Cowboys should trade Dak and Parsons and start a fresh rebuild IMO

[Cactus Jack]

Cowboys should trade Dak and Parsons and start a fresh rebuild IMO

The time to move him was in the offseason. But they missed that window. Dak just got $230m guaranteed with a full no trade clause.

They're married to him.

[therealbig3]

Comparing Dak to Mahomes is idiotic...yes, if anyone deserves to get a pass for putting up mediocre numbers right now, it's Mahomes, because we KNOW what he can do. I don't even care about the 5-0 record, the Chiefs could be 0-5 and Mahomes is still untouchable. He's led his team to back to back championships including 3 in the last 4 years. The last QB to do that was Tom Brady 01-04, when he was a game manager and not carrying the team like Mahomes is. He also missed the playoffs in 02, which Mahomes has not done.

Dak...doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt for obvious reasons (just look at his masterful performance these last playoffs), and you're comparing him to a MUCH, MUCH better player. It's like if Lance Stephenson puts up similar numbers to the worst 5 game stretch of prime LeBron James's season, the season after he won back to back titles in Miami. Ok? What does that meaningfully say about Lance Stephenson? You're right...it says nothing. And it in no way absolves Lance Stephenson's poor play.

Dak was 2nd team All-Pro last year. If past glory is so significant for Mahomes, you better put some respeck on Dak's name, too.

And then choked badly in the playoffs. Mahomes plays great in the regular season, and then becomes a legend in the playoffs.

These guys are so far apart from each other that it's just an irrelevant comparison. Compare Dak to someone else.

[QB_Eagles]

Mahomes plays great in the regular season, and then becomes a legend in the playoffs.

He's not playing great right now.

And his first two SBs he was trash.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Cowboys should trade Dak and Parsons and start a fresh rebuild IMO

The time to move him was in the offseason. But they missed that window. Dak just got $230m guaranteed with a full no trade clause.

They're married to him.

And Micah should feel so proud.

[Mr B]

Cowboys should trade Dak and Parsons and start a fresh rebuild IMO

The time to move him was in the offseason. But they missed that window. Dak just got $230m guaranteed with a full no trade clause.

They're married to him.

They were married to him before giving him the new contract. He’s had the no trade/no tag clause in his last two contracts (current contract and the prior one). If they wanted to trade Dak they would have just as hard a time doing it now as they would before resigning him. He still has/had full say in where he goes.

Thinking he would ever agree to be traded though is a pipe dream (no Diddy). He’s not going anywhere anytime soon. He’s going to be the Cowboys QB for at least the next 4 years.

[Micah Prescott]

Dak was awful vs the Lions, and I suspect he will also struggle hard against the 49ers.

But the #1 problem in Dallas right now is Mike Zimmer.

Even if the Dak throws 6 TDs vs the Lions we still lose the game.

[Mr B]

Dak was awful vs the Lions, and I suspect he will also struggle hard against the 49ers.

But the #1 problem in Dallas right now is Mike Zimmer.

Even if the Dak throws 6 TDs vs the Lions we still lose the game.

Zimmer is a big part of the problem for sure but he’s by far from being the worst problem. There is enough blame to go around for everyone.

[Micah Prescott]

Dak was awful vs the Lions, and I suspect he will also struggle hard against the 49ers.

But the #1 problem in Dallas right now is Mike Zimmer.

Even if the Dak throws 6 TDs vs the Lions we still lose the game.

Zimmer is a big part of the problem for sure but he’s by far from being the worst problem. There is enough blame to go around for everyone.

He's #1 for me. I mean, Dallas has the worst defense in the NFL, so....yeah

I will say that now injury can be used as an excuse to some degree. Parsons and Lawrence being out was definitely felt. Goff had all day back there. But still, we have the worst defense in the NFL and the biggest change was him.

[therealbig3]

Mahomes plays great in the regular season, and then becomes a legend in the playoffs.

He's not playing great right now.

And his first two SBs he was trash.

Does SBs = playoffs?

Also, thought he led the team back against the Eagles in his 2nd SB. And did it again vs the 49ers. He was awesome.

Just stop. This is only a comparison in your head. Mahomes is GOAT level. Dak is a good RS QB that isn’t even that good right now. And is coming off a huge playoff flame out. These guys aren’t in the same stratosphere.

When Dak gets criticized, the answer isn’t “but Mahomes isn’t doing so hot either!” lol what kind of logic is this?

Compare Dak to guys like Geno Smith, Jalen Hurts, Kirk Cousins…those are the guys at his level.

[QB_Eagles]

Mahomes plays great in the regular season, and then becomes a legend in the playoffs.

He's not playing great right now.

And his first two SBs he was trash.

Does SBs = playoffs?

Also, thought he led the team back against the Eagles in his 2nd SB. And did it again vs the 49ers. He was awesome.

Just stop. This is only a comparison in your head. Mahomes is GOAT level. Dak is a good RS QB that isn’t even that good right now. And is coming off a huge playoff flame out. These guys aren’t in the same stratosphere.

When Dak gets criticized, the answer isn’t “but Mahomes isn’t doing so hot either!” lol what kind of logic is this?

Compare Dak to guys like Geno Smith, Jalen Hurts, Kirk Cousins…those are the guys at his level.

SBs = Super Bowls.

His first two Super Bowls Mahomes was trash.

I'm not a Dak fan, but QB performance doesn't exist in a vacuum. If Mahomes is GOAT level, then his current performance certainly doesn't reflect that.

People forget Alex Smith was in the MVP conversation in 2017 as he had the best season in his career. I shared the minority opinion of switching to Mahomes but it was because of salary. Now that the offense around Mahomes isn't GOAT level anymore (Tyreek gone, Kelce losing a step, OL much worse), he also doesn't look so GOATish anymore.

Dak's capability doesn't make up for the percentage of cap his salary takes up, but it was also foolish to assume Mahomes was so great it would make him immune from the effects of his surrounding cast getting worse.