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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#61 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:55 pm

Most teams are pretty smart these days. A lot of trades fit into a trade value analyzer.

Jung, if healthy...is a 3 WAR guy with upside. Devin Williams as a reliever is a 2 WAR guy if he plays a full year.

Jung has 4 years left of control, Williams has 1.

We'd probably have to throw more in there. I wonder if it would be more of a gamble of some almost-ready or "flamed out in their first appearance in the majors" guys like the Hader and Burnes trades with teams that think they are WS contenders. Obviously part of the SD package was flipped for Contreras, but you get the idea otherwise.
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#62 » by Thunder Muscle » Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:32 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Most teams are pretty smart these days. A lot of trades fit into a trade value analyzer.

Jung, if healthy...is a 3 WAR guy with upside. Devin Williams as a reliever is a 2 WAR guy if he plays a full year.

Jung has 4 years left of control, Williams has 1.

We'd probably have to throw more in there. I wonder if it would be more of a gamble of some almost-ready or "flamed out in their first appearance in the majors" guys like the Hader and Burnes trades with teams that think they are WS contenders. Obviously part of the SD package was flipped for Contreras, but you get the idea otherwise.


I do feel like this is the Brewers way. Acquire a post hype prospect or 2 but one that has had very limited time in MLB. That Baty from the Mets may fit that bill. 1st round pick, will only be 25, and hasn’t been able to establish a ton of MLB success so far. My only reservation there is he has gotten a full (subpar) season in 2023 and didnt build off it in 2024.

I wish Tyler Black could play 3B because it would be a perfect opportunity to get consistent at bat’s. But I think his 3B run is over.
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#63 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:44 pm

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Kerb Hohl wrote:Most teams are pretty smart these days. A lot of trades fit into a trade value analyzer.

Jung, if healthy...is a 3 WAR guy with upside. Devin Williams as a reliever is a 2 WAR guy if he plays a full year.

Jung has 4 years left of control, Williams has 1.

We'd probably have to throw more in there. I wonder if it would be more of a gamble of some almost-ready or "flamed out in their first appearance in the majors" guys like the Hader and Burnes trades with teams that think they are WS contenders. Obviously part of the SD package was flipped for Contreras, but you get the idea otherwise.


I do feel like this is the Brewers way. Acquire a post hype prospect or 2 but one that has had very limited time in MLB. That Baty from the Mets may fit that bill. 1st round pick, will only be 25, and hasn’t been able to establish a ton of MLB success so far. My only reservation there is he has gotten a full (subpar) season in 2023 and didnt build off it in 2024.

I wish Tyler Black could play 3B because it would be a perfect opportunity to get consistent at bat’s. But I think his 3B run is over.


Yea, this season in AAA his played games:

1B: 70
3B: 9
LF: 8
CF: 4
DH: 11

Miller, Capra, Dorrian, Dunn, and Monasterio were getting the hot corner innings instead.
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#64 » by rayallenscalves » Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:19 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Thunder Muscle wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:Most teams are pretty smart these days. A lot of trades fit into a trade value analyzer.

Jung, if healthy...is a 3 WAR guy with upside. Devin Williams as a reliever is a 2 WAR guy if he plays a full year.

Jung has 4 years left of control, Williams has 1.

We'd probably have to throw more in there. I wonder if it would be more of a gamble of some almost-ready or "flamed out in their first appearance in the majors" guys like the Hader and Burnes trades with teams that think they are WS contenders. Obviously part of the SD package was flipped for Contreras, but you get the idea otherwise.


I do feel like this is the Brewers way. Acquire a post hype prospect or 2 but one that has had very limited time in MLB. That Baty from the Mets may fit that bill. 1st round pick, will only be 25, and hasn’t been able to establish a ton of MLB success so far. My only reservation there is he has gotten a full (subpar) season in 2023 and didnt build off it in 2024.

I wish Tyler Black could play 3B because it would be a perfect opportunity to get consistent at bat’s. But I think his 3B run is over.


Yea, this season in AAA his played games:

1B: 70
3B: 9
LF: 8
CF: 4
DH: 11

Miller, Capra, Dorrian, Dunn, and Monasterio were getting the hot corner innings instead.


My hope for Black is that he gets the Jake Bauers ABs next year. Hopefully they go well enough where he can take over 1B full time after Hoskins leaves.
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#65 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:27 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Most teams are pretty smart these days. A lot of trades fit into a trade value analyzer.

Jung, if healthy...is a 3 WAR guy with upside. Devin Williams as a reliever is a 2 WAR guy if he plays a full year.

Jung has 4 years left of control, Williams has 1.

We'd probably have to throw more in there. I wonder if it would be more of a gamble of some almost-ready or "flamed out in their first appearance in the majors" guys like the Hader and Burnes trades with teams that think they are WS contenders. Obviously part of the SD package was flipped for Contreras, but you get the idea otherwise.
I'm totally fine attaching a prospect or two to Williams to get a legit starting 3rd. The farm system is pretty deep and this team should be good so no shame using a little of that depth to win now.

I really think they need another power bat with Adames leaving. 3rd is the most likely and obvious spot but they could also look at a corner OF. Yelich should probably be viewed as mostly a DH and Sal hits like a SS so can/should be upgraded.

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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#66 » by Thunder Muscle » Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:29 pm

I know it is unlikely and the contract is kinda hard to follow, but does Arenado interest anyone as 2-3 year option? He was still a 101 OPS+ last year on a season many felt was down for him. Guessing what they offered Adames would be similar to what Arenado has left on his deal. He is around 34 though and do you want to ship prospects to STL is the other dynamic.
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#67 » by MVP2110 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:34 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:
Thunder Muscle wrote:
I do feel like this is the Brewers way. Acquire a post hype prospect or 2 but one that has had very limited time in MLB. That Baty from the Mets may fit that bill. 1st round pick, will only be 25, and hasn’t been able to establish a ton of MLB success so far. My only reservation there is he has gotten a full (subpar) season in 2023 and didnt build off it in 2024.

I wish Tyler Black could play 3B because it would be a perfect opportunity to get consistent at bat’s. But I think his 3B run is over.


Yea, this season in AAA his played games:

1B: 70
3B: 9
LF: 8
CF: 4
DH: 11

Miller, Capra, Dorrian, Dunn, and Monasterio were getting the hot corner innings instead.


My hope for Black is that he gets the Jake Bauers ABs next year. Hopefully they go well enough where he can take over 1B full time after Hoskins leaves.


If Black is on the roster next year I hope he primarily plays OF or DHs. A lot of scouts think he could be an above average OF and I know we are deep there but injuries happen. If Yelich takes more DH ABs that could certainly open up playing time in the OF for someone like Black. That said of all our top prospects he's the one I'd feel the best about moving in a trade
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#68 » by Thunder Muscle » Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:01 pm

Way too early current roster predictions for 2025 opening day…

Locks (14): Contreras, Hoskins (opts in), Turang, Ortiz, Chourio, Mitchell, Perkins, Frelick, Peralta, Civale, Myers, Megill, Payamps, Koenig.

Locks/IL: Yelich, Gasser, Woodruff.

Most Likely on Roster (5): Ashby, Hall, Hudson, Haase, Black.

50/50: Rea, Milner, Wilson, Mears, Uribe. I could see them moving on from these guys, except Uribe. Rea feel they may decline 5M option and more likely Wilson will be back for long relief. Uribe a wild card. Monasterio may stick as utility guy again. Mears I have no idea. It started off strong with us, then struggled/disappeared for 3-4 appearances before that great 7th inning in Game 3.

For Sure Gone: Adames, Ross, Bauers, Miley.

Most Likely Gone: Montas, Sanchez, Devin Williams, Collins. Montas I could see back on a lesser deal, 100% his option declined. Williams I think is traded.

I don’t think any current AAA guys start on MLB squad, besides Black. Carlos Rodriguez maybe if has a really good camp.

I think the open spots will be filled in with free agents/trades.
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#69 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:38 pm

Thunder Muscle wrote:Way too early current roster predictions for 2025 opening day…

Locks (14): Contreras, Hoskins (opts in), Turang, Ortiz, Chourio, Mitchell, Perkins, Frelick, Peralta, Civale, Myers, Megill, Payamps, Koenig.

Locks/IL: Yelich, Gasser, Woodruff.

Most Likely on Roster (5): Ashby, Hall, Hudson, Haase, Black.

50/50: Rea, Milner, Wilson, Mears, Uribe. I could see them moving on from these guys, except Uribe. Rea feel they may decline 5M option and more likely Wilson will be back for long relief. Uribe a wild card. Monasterio may stick as utility guy again. Mears I have no idea. It started off strong with us, then struggled/disappeared for 3-4 appearances before that great 7th inning in Game 3.

For Sure Gone: Adames, Ross, Bauers, Miley.

Most Likely Gone: Montas, Sanchez, Devin Williams, Collins. Montas I could see back on a lesser deal, 100% his option declined. Williams I think is traded.

I don’t think any current AAA guys start on MLB squad, besides Black. Carlos Rodriguez maybe if has a really good camp.

I think the open spots will be filled in with free agents/trades.
Good list although I would put Ross in the maybe back list. I really liked him in his reliever role.

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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#70 » by Thunder Muscle » Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:21 pm

My rationale with Ross is I think he pitched well enough that I think another team may pay him more than Brewers are willing to go for him. He had an 111 ERA+ and thought he did well overall too. There is the injury risk with him too. If his market is cool, then yes I definitely could see him back.
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Post#71 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Nov 1, 2024 6:21 pm

Noted in the other thread, but Hoskins is locked in officially with his $18 million option.
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#72 » by MVP2110 » Fri Nov 1, 2024 7:15 pm

I'm ok with Hoskins coming back. I think he's a good candidate to bounce back
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#73 » by Thunder Muscle » Fri Nov 1, 2024 7:45 pm

Same. I’m interested to see him another year. Possibly like Winker could be a guy that just needed an extra year.

Think I saw we lost our 1B Coach Quintin Berry to the Cubs as their 3B coach.
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Post#74 » by Thunder Muscle » Mon Nov 4, 2024 3:15 pm

Did we officially decline Montas 20M too? I saw we did on Rea, Sanchez, Williams (to go to arby), and then picked up Peralta’s option.
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Post#75 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Nov 4, 2024 5:12 pm

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Anyone in need of a closer need only look at the National League Central, where two of the best in baseball will be available. Executives say Milwaukee's Devin Williams and St. Louis' Ryan Helsley are both on the market, and they expect both to be moved at some point this winter. Each has one year of club control remaining and will be in his final season of arbitration, with Williams expected to command around $8 million and Helsley $7 million. And considering the level of production they provide -- Williams had a 1.25 ERA and struck out 38 in 21⅓ innings after returning from a back injury, and Helsley punched out 79 over 66⅓ innings with a 2.04 ERA and MLB-best 49 saves -- the asks will be understandably high. Teams in the market for a closer could include the New York Yankees, Los Angeles Dodgers, Boston Red Sox, Texas Rangers and San Francisco Giants, though realistically any team would gladly add either Williams or Helsley to its bullpen.
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Re: Early 2025 Roster Look 

Post#76 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Nov 4, 2024 7:32 pm

This thread and the other thread are pretty much the same now, talking about offseason moves. I wanted to merge them together but the merge function here sometimes mucks things up. So I'm going to close this one down and manually move the last few posts over to the other thread.
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