OT: Clinton or Bush?

[dakomish23]

Right, not cabinet positions.

An important distinction.

Trump's cabinet was full of grifters like Betsy DeVos and Wilbur Ross

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/30/harris-cnn-interview-republican-cabinet

Harris says appointing a Republican to her Cabinet would "benefit" Americans

Cabinet is pretty broad. Does it matter if the Deputy Secretary of the VA a Republican or if Ambassador to Finland is Adam Kinzinger? Maybe she just lets Christopher Wray finish his term in the FBI. This freak out is idiotic. Remember Biden said the same thing and there was a huge freakout, only for him to appoint Bernie to part of his transition team and make cabinet decisions based on input from the Progressive wing of the party. Oh Biden assigned Cindy McCain as an ambassador….the horror!

Absolutely in a lead role. IDGAF about ceremonial bull ****

[dakomish23]

Right, not cabinet positions.

An important distinction.

Trump's cabinet was full of grifters like Betsy DeVos and Wilbur Ross

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/30/harris-cnn-interview-republican-cabinet

Harris says appointing a Republican to her Cabinet would "benefit" Americans

There is nothing beneficial about adding a Republican to a cabinet position. And while I am grateful of "moderate" Republican support...what position can you offer a Republican that they aren't technically against or would sabotage?

EPA?

Labor?

Education?

Urban Development?

Transportation?

I can go on and on. They have tried for decades to kneecap these positions. They are unfit.

Maybe appointing someone sane with an excellent background in foreign affairs/policy to Secretary of State? But even then, just no.

I'm sorry but this is not something I can support.

This is exactly my point. These ppl voted with Trump more than 90% of the time. The cabinet is to execute the policy of POTUS. Where exactly do we overlap? Libs need to stop the nonsense of thinking Never Trumpers are good people. They are not & they never have been.

[DOT]

Nah, Gary Johnson was actually a serious candidate. He was the governor of New Mexico and a fairly well regarded one by his constituents. He actually ran a respectful campaign and offered a third path. After two runs not gaining much traction, he was done. Jill Stein has barely run so much as a pizza parlor and comes out swinging every time. It's not just the votes. Her sole purpose is to create disillusionment with the US system, which is the same goal as Putin has. There's not a constructive piece to it. Whatever she started out as, at this point she's more of a chaos agent than a real candidate and she can kick rocks until her toes break.

I agree with everything you say about Stein, I've never disputed that. She's the most obvious grifter not named Trump in the electoral process, the Green Party is a joke, almost as much as the Forward Party

Johnson being a serious candidate doesn't really change my point. He took more votes from Trump than Stein took from Hillary. I would posit that even had Stein dropped out and endorsed Hillary, she still wouldn't've won, as the majority of Stein voters wouldn't have voted for either Hillary or Trump if no 3rd option existed. You can say much the same for Johnson supporters too, if the election were flipped I would be saying the same thing, Johnson definitely took votes from Trump, but if Johnson dropped out, I don't think most of his voters switch to Trump

My view of 3rd party candidates is, almost anyone who would flip to the major parties does, and most everyone left would just stay home if they had only the 2 options

Like I said, the Green Party is 100% a spoiler party, I've never claimed otherwise, I just don't think they're as effective at it as people think.

[Capn'O]

Nah, Gary Johnson was actually a serious candidate. He was the governor of New Mexico and a fairly well regarded one by his constituents. He actually ran a respectful campaign and offered a third path. After two runs not gaining much traction, he was done. Jill Stein has barely run so much as a pizza parlor and comes out swinging every time. It's not just the votes. Her sole purpose is to create disillusionment with the US system, which is the same goal as Putin has. There's not a constructive piece to it. Whatever she started out as, at this point she's more of a chaos agent than a real candidate and she can kick rocks until her toes break.

I agree with everything you say about Stein, I've never disputed that. She's the most obvious grifter not named Trump in the electoral process, the Green Party is a joke, almost as much as the Forward Party

Johnson being a serious candidate doesn't really change my point. He took more votes from Trump than Stein took from Hillary. I would posit that even had Stein dropped out and endorsed Hillary, she still wouldn't've won, as the majority of Stein voters wouldn't have voted for either Hillary or Trump if no 3rd option existed. You can say much the same for Johnson supporters too, if the election were flipped I would be saying the same thing, Johnson definitely took votes from Trump, but if Johnson dropped out, I don't think most of his voters switch to Trump

My view of 3rd party candidates is, almost anyone who would flip to the major parties does, and most everyone left would just stay home if they had only the 2 options

Like I said, the Green Party is 100% a spoiler party, I've never claimed otherwise, I just don't think they're as effective at it as people think.

Fair enough about Stein's _votes_ likely not costing the election. Her appeal is to people outside the process entirely. I just can't stand Jill **** Stein. I'm actually quite pro third parties but not a damn faker no foot in the arena grifter like her.

That said, I do think her efforts to undermine the process probably have more impact than the votes themselves. She goes out of her way to delegitimize Dem candidates as one and the same as Republicans and that corrosive mantra suppresses the vote. I'll never be mad at a candidate like Johnson for giving it a shot regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum in the same way. He was totally constructive to the political process.

I was mostly responding to this line:

The reason we don't talk about Gary Johnson is cause he's a Libertarian.

And probably should have clipped to just that.

[MrDollarBills]

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/30/harris-cnn-interview-republican-cabinet

There is nothing beneficial about adding a Republican to a cabinet position. And while I am grateful of "moderate" Republican support...what position can you offer a Republican that they aren't technically against or would sabotage?

EPA?

Labor?

Education?

Urban Development?

Transportation?

I can go on and on. They have tried for decades to kneecap these positions. They are unfit.

Maybe appointing someone sane with an excellent background in foreign affairs/policy to Secretary of State? But even then, just no.

I'm sorry but this is not something I can support.

This is exactly my point. These ppl voted with Trump more than 90% of the time. The cabinet is to execute the policy of POTUS. Where exactly do we overlap? Libs need to stop the nonsense of thinking Never Trumpers are good people. They are not & they never have been.

This is an alliance out of necessity. There shouldn't be any strings attached.

If Harris wants to have a council of anti MAGA conservatives who want to provide feedback, that's cool. I don't think constructive dialogue with Never Trumpers is necessarily a bad thing. These people are ass holes, absolutely, but I don't equate them to fascists.

But I'm not putting a Republican in charge of the EPA or LABOR. Absolutely not

[Clyde_Style]

The race now is between Vance and Harris even if people think their GOP candidate is Trump.

Trump's rate of cognitive decline is accelerating down the home stretch at an alarming rate. He's falling to pieces in public and now his handlers are cancelling marquee interviews with outlets like CNN

He'd be replaced by Vance within a year at the rate he is decomposing. Vance is the actual POTUS candidate now, not Trump.

[MrDollarBills]

The race now is between Vance and Harris even if people think their GOP candidate is Trump.

Trump's rate of cognitive decline is accelerating down the home stretch at an alarming rate. He's falling to pieces in public and now his handlers are cancelling marquee interviews with outlets like CNN

He'd be replaced by Vance within a year at the rate he is decomposing. Vance is the actual POTUS candidate now, not Trump.

This is what the billionaire tech class is banking on. They want Vance to be installed as their mouthpiece dictator who will implement Project 2025.

[MrDollarBills]

Harris went on Fox News.

[Clyde_Style]

The race now is between Vance and Harris even if people think their GOP candidate is Trump.

Trump's rate of cognitive decline is accelerating down the home stretch at an alarming rate. He's falling to pieces in public and now his handlers are cancelling marquee interviews with outlets like CNN

He'd be replaced by Vance within a year at the rate he is decomposing. Vance is the actual POTUS candidate now, not Trump.

This is what the billionaire tech class is banking on. They want Vance to be installed as their mouthpiece dictator who will implement Project 2025.

Both Musk and Thiel are from the PayPal Mafia. They're throwing big bucks at Trump because they know Vance is the actual candidate and he'll deregulate anything he can get his mitts on to benefit his puppet masters.

[MrDollarBills]

Some quotes from Harris tonight:

Harris raised Trump's recent rhetoric about the "enemy within" and threats to use the military to go after political opponents on Election Day and supposed chaos to suggest that he's unfit for a second term in office, adding that it is "clear to me" that Trump is "unfit to serve, that he is unstable, that he is dangerous."

"You and I both know that he has talked about turning the American military on the American people. He has talked about going after people who are engaged in peaceful protest. He has talked about locking people up because they disagree with him," Harris told Fox News anchor Brett Baier.

"This is a democracy, and in a democracy the president of the United States in the United States of America, should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he'd lock people up for doing it," she said.

[MrDollarBills]

The race now is between Vance and Harris even if people think their GOP candidate is Trump.

Trump's rate of cognitive decline is accelerating down the home stretch at an alarming rate. He's falling to pieces in public and now his handlers are cancelling marquee interviews with outlets like CNN

He'd be replaced by Vance within a year at the rate he is decomposing. Vance is the actual POTUS candidate now, not Trump.

This is what the billionaire tech class is banking on. They want Vance to be installed as their mouthpiece dictator who will implement Project 2025.

Both Musk and Thiel are from the PayPal Mafia. They're throwing big bucks at Trump because they know Vance is the actual candidate and he'll deregulate anything he can get his mitts on to benefit his puppet masters.

They're both idiots because there is nothing stopping Vance from reaming the both of them once he assumes power.

[Clyde_Style]

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Jesus Christ, Trump is bonkers. He's committing the same felony crimes he was already convicted for.

[Hatrick Ewing]

I just wanna go up to every politician and say hey you, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder? Disorder. Now somewhere between the sacred silence, sacred silence and sleep. Somewhere, between the sacred silence and sleep. Disorder, disorder, disorder.

[Clyde_Style]

Watching Harris convincingly spar with a hostile interviewer and then seeing MAGAs completely losing their minds over this is quite a sight to behold. You know you've struck a nerve when the Twitter MAGAverse is losing its mind over it. Bold move by Harris.

[Clyde_Style]

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[Jalen Bluntson]

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Jesus Christ, Trump is bonkers. He's committing the same felony crimes he was already convicted for.

Ummm.she didn't break down anything in that clip. She made a statement. Would have loved to hear the full story.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I just wanna go up to every politician and say hey you, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder? Disorder. Now somewhere between the sacred silence, sacred silence and sleep. Somewhere, between the sacred silence and sleep. Disorder, disorder, disorder.

I don't get your schtick here. I love the title changes but, what's up bro? You started a political thread and now you are actively trolling it and trying to dissuade the conversation. Are you not happy with the consensus of the thread that Trump is garbage? Are you mad that people don't care about the assassination anymore? What's the deal?

[Clyde_Style]

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Jesus Christ, Trump is bonkers. He's committing the same felony crimes he was already convicted for.

Ummm.she didn't break down anything in that clip. She made a statement. Would have loved to hear the full story.

Well, its a clip, you can see more here:

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/maddow-s-bombshell-reporting-trump-trying-to-pay-stormy-daniels-to-be-quiet-again-221947973843

[Clyde_Style]

I just watched a half dozen segments of Trump's Univision Town Hall and it was rough for him. He disrespects every citizen who asks him a question. He even went all in again on the dog eating thing in Springfield, OH with blatant lies about the population numbers saying 30,000 Haitians were dropped into the middle of a 50,000 population city. You should see the looks on the faces of the people listening to his answers. He's losing voters with this BS.

[Stannis]

Does it really surprise you that nazis and racists and white nationalists will vote for the white guy over a black woman?

They are now actually voting for Jews like Dr Jill Stein. She has siphoned the Nazi/Racist vote from Donald Trump.