NYK roster compared to BOS and PHI

[Chanel Bomber]

Definitely an arms race between the three teams, though the new CBA caps talent acquisition more than previous years.

Philly's top 3 is better than ours individually. More talented. Embiid is one of the greatest talents of the modern era.

I think there's a case to made that our top 3 could turn out to be better collectively than their top 3 because of fit. There's always that unpredictable intangible of chemistry, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that the skill sets of our top 3 gel better. I love the potential for pick-and-pop/roll symbiosis between Brunson and KAT, assuming health.

But individually? Philly's top 3 is ahead.

[god shammgod]

Embiid is never heathly though. There is no way I'm taking the small potential that Embiid is healthy over Brunson.

If they offered the knicks Embiid for Brunson right now who in there right mind would take that offer?

There basically trying to baby Embiid the entire season because they just know he will be hurt by the playoffs. And that player your taking over a legit MVP candidate this year?

that's a different argument though. they have a smaller window for sure.

he did average 33, 10 and 5 against us even without being healthy

The 76ers' net rating in the series was +10.1 with Embiid, but -61.2 without him

we destroyed them when he sat but they were slightly better than us even without him being full strength.

look, i'm not saying we can't beat them. but they have better top end talent. and i think between the two teams this year it's much closer. like i said earlier, they're gonna have to win on the road a lot though because they're not gonna care much about seeding and that will be a disadvantage.

[Chanel Bomber]

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[jvsimonetti0514]

i wasn't even doing it based on position. just on pecking order on the team.

embiid>brunson
maxey>kat
pg>mikal

now og and hart are better than anyone else they have but top 3 they got us if they're healthy. it's not really debatable.

Don’t think it be too tough of a case to make that PG is better than Kat too.

yep. i think the majority of people agree.

I do think Mikal and/or OG should be able to neutralize PG13. Dealing with Maxey and Embiid is the real issue. Donte handled Maxey the best last playoff but he’s gone. So maybe you stick hart on Maxey, Mikal on PG13 and you let OG play free safety. If Caleb Martin or Kelly Oubre beat you, they beat you. You could try stealing what the wolves did against the nuggets and go jumbo but the 76ers should be a better shooting team than the nuggets were by the end.

[mpharris36]

Embiid is never heathly though. There is no way I'm taking the small potential that Embiid is healthy over Brunson.

If they offered the knicks Embiid for Brunson right now who in there right mind would take that offer?

There basically trying to baby Embiid the entire season because they just know he will be hurt by the playoffs. And that player your taking over a legit MVP candidate this year?

that's a different argument though. they have a smaller window for sure.

he did average 33, 10 and 5 against us even without being healthy

The 76ers' net rating in the series was +10.1 with Embiid, but -61.2 without him

we destroyed them when he sat but they were slightly better than us even without him being full strength.

look, i'm not saying we can't beat them. but they have better top end talent. and i think between the two teams this year it's much closer. like i said earlier, they're gonna have to win on the road a lot though because they're not gonna care much about seeding and that will be a disadvantage.

if you want to just go by NET rating we don't have our two worst NET rating guys in the playoffs.

Ihart could not guard Embiid. And Mitch guarded him decently but Embiid had to hurt him.

No one is denying when on the court the impact he has. But there are limitations to his game. How does he perform in the 4th qtr when he has to play over 40 minutes...is he going to fully healthy an entire series...

We also didn't have a big now that can make him guard the perimeter that changes now with him having to go out and guard KAT. That is the way you tire out bigs like that involve them on defense because he was just camping out in the paint vs us.

[god shammgod]

embiid has regularly owned kat. this is probably the opponent who the trade will be the least helpful for.

Karl-Anthony Towns is very talented, but now in the East, he’ll have to compete against top big men, including his toughest opponent, Joel Embiid.

In their 11 head-to-head matchups, Embiid has won eight of them and posed much better box score averages than KAT. It’s also worth noting that Embiid had a 51 point, 14 rebound, and 8 assist night against KAT in 2023.
Head-to-head stats

Joel Embiid: 28.6 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 3.2 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.4 BPG

KAT: 21.4 PPG, 10.4 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.0 BPG

Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t.

This matchup has been very one-sided. Embiid’s impact on both offense and defense has overwhelmed Towns. In their last ten games, Embiid has shot over 50% while limiting Towns’ shooting efficiency when they face off.

https://thelibertyline.com/2024/09/28/joel-embiid-owns-karl-anthony-towns/

[Wildcat]

Closet Philly fans in here right now.

[god shammgod]

Embiid is never heathly though. There is no way I'm taking the small potential that Embiid is healthy over Brunson.

If they offered the knicks Embiid for Brunson right now who in there right mind would take that offer?

There basically trying to baby Embiid the entire season because they just know he will be hurt by the playoffs. And that player your taking over a legit MVP candidate this year?

that's a different argument though. they have a smaller window for sure.

he did average 33, 10 and 5 against us even without being healthy

The 76ers' net rating in the series was +10.1 with Embiid, but -61.2 without him

we destroyed them when he sat but they were slightly better than us even without him being full strength.

look, i'm not saying we can't beat them. but they have better top end talent. and i think between the two teams this year it's much closer. like i said earlier, they're gonna have to win on the road a lot though because they're not gonna care much about seeding and that will be a disadvantage.

if you want to just go by NET rating we don't have our two worst NET rating guys in the playoffs.

Ihart could not guard Embiid. And Mitch guarded him decently but Embiid had to hurt him.

No one is denying when on the court the impact he has. But there are limitations to his game. How does he perform in the 4th qtr when he has to play over 40 minutes...is he going to fully healthy an entire series...

We also didn't have a big now that can make him guard the perimeter that changes now with him having to go out and guard KAT. That is the way you tire out bigs like that involve them on defense because he was just camping out in the paint vs us.

and they don't have tobias harris anymore dragging them down and some other guys too.

and mitch held him to great percentges but who knows if he'll even be here at that time or be the one guarding him

[mpharris36]

embiid has regularly owned kat. this is probably the opponent who the trade will be the least helpful for.

Karl-Anthony Towns is very talented, but now in the East, he’ll have to compete against top big men, including his toughest opponent, Joel Embiid.

In their 11 head-to-head matchups, Embiid has won eight of them and posed much better box score averages than KAT. It’s also worth noting that Embiid had a 51 point, 14 rebound, and 8 assist night against KAT in 2023.
Head-to-head stats

Joel Embiid: 28.6 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 3.2 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.4 BPG

KAT: 21.4 PPG, 10.4 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.0 BPG

Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t.

This matchup has been very one-sided. Embiid’s impact on both offense and defense has overwhelmed Towns. In their last ten games, Embiid has shot over 50% while limiting Towns’ shooting efficiency when they face off.

https://thelibertyline.com/2024/09/28/joel-embiid-owns-karl-anthony-towns/

it certainly can't be as ineffective ihart was guarding him. It was an auto bocket.

Embiid scored what 33 ppg vs us. So that better than what Ihart was doing.

But ultimately if we keep Mitch...that is singularly the reason you keep Mitch to throw him on embiid for like 20 mins and make his life hell.

[3toheadmelo]

embiid has regularly owned kat. this is probably the opponent who the trade will be the least helpful for.

Karl-Anthony Towns is very talented, but now in the East, he’ll have to compete against top big men, including his toughest opponent, Joel Embiid.

In their 11 head-to-head matchups, Embiid has won eight of them and posed much better box score averages than KAT. It’s also worth noting that Embiid had a 51 point, 14 rebound, and 8 assist night against KAT in 2023.
Head-to-head stats

Joel Embiid: 28.6 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 3.2 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.4 BPG

KAT: 21.4 PPG, 10.4 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.0 BPG

Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t.

This matchup has been very one-sided. Embiid’s impact on both offense and defense has overwhelmed Towns. In their last ten games, Embiid has shot over 50% while limiting Towns’ shooting efficiency when they face off.

https://thelibertyline.com/2024/09/28/joel-embiid-owns-karl-anthony-towns/

[jvsimonetti0514]

It is kinda funny that Embiid has never really had an 90’s early 2000’s Shaq era of his game. He's always big and out of shape. That’s why “If healthy” is kind of a meaningless qualifier especially when it comes to Embiid. Shams is right that on paper their top 3 is better but when they already have Embiid on injury management and the season hasn’t started yet it doesn’t really matter. If they do keep him upright it will be the first time anyone has pulled of this level of load management cuz hasn’t been successful yet.

[god shammgod]

It is kinda funny that Embiid has never really had an 90’s early 2000’s Shaq era of his game. He's always big and out of shape. That’s why “If healthy” is kind of a meaningless qualifier especially when it comes to Embiid. Shams is right that on paper their top 3 is better but when they already have Embiid on injury management and the season hasn’t started yet it doesn’t really matter. If they do keep him upright it will be the first time anyone has pulled of this level of load management cuz hasn’t been successful yet.

it is kind of like what the clippers tried to do with kawhi and the raptors did successfully with him. so i would say it has been done. there's certainly some luck involved. you have to have it be timed right. porzingis was healthy more most of last year but the playoffs came and he missed most of it. they just didn't really need him. that's how good that roster is.

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[Jalen Bluntson]

Definitely an arms race between the three teams, though the new CBA caps talent acquisition more than previous years.

Philly's top 3 is better than ours individually. More talented. Embiid is one of the greatest talents of the modern era.

I think there's a case to made that our top 3 could turn out to be better collectively than their top 3 because of fit. There's always that unpredictable intangible of chemistry, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that the skill sets of our top 3 gel better. I love the potential for pick-and-pop/roll symbiosis between Brunson and KAT, assuming health.

But individually? Philly's top 3 is ahead.

On paper is a silly conversation. Embiid has to be on the court. PG has to actually perform in the playoffs. Neither have great success at doing either of those things. Embiid has NEVER done either of those things in his entire career. So stats be damned. The sixers are a paper tiger. Nothing more.

Boston is the big threat. That's a discussion worth having. Philly is ass juice.

[3toheadmelo]

It is kinda funny that Embiid has never really had an 90’s early 2000’s Shaq era of his game. He's always big and out of shape. That’s why “If healthy” is kind of a meaningless qualifier especially when it comes to Embiid. Shams is right that on paper their top 3 is better but when they already have Embiid on injury management and the season hasn’t started yet it doesn’t really matter. If they do keep him upright it will be the first time anyone has pulled of this level of load management cuz hasn’t been successful yet.

it is kind of like what the clippers tried to do with kawhi and the raptors did successfully with him. so i would say it has been done. there's certainly some luck involved. you have to have it be timed right. porzingis was healthy more most of last year but the playoffs came and he missed most of it. they just didn't really need him. that's how good that roster is.

off topic but it sounds like giannis isnt too happy in milwaukee. rushing to go all in on kat might age badly

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[Chanel Bomber]

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3 hours and 45 mins of bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo talking about gambling on basketball. the sports gambling epidemic is gonna get so bad.

They use it as a way to frame the discussion, which in and of itself is interesting. I like Russillo, and their segments on the Knicks and Sixers are pretty good. But yeah I'm with you - really not a fan of sports gambling advertising and how it's expanding.

[Chanel Bomber]

It is kinda funny that Embiid has never really had an 90’s early 2000’s Shaq era of his game. He's always big and out of shape. That’s why “If healthy” is kind of a meaningless qualifier especially when it comes to Embiid. Shams is right that on paper their top 3 is better but when they already have Embiid on injury management and the season hasn’t started yet it doesn’t really matter. If they do keep him upright it will be the first time anyone has pulled of this level of load management cuz hasn’t been successful yet.

it is kind of like what the clippers tried to do with kawhi and the raptors did successfully with him. so i would say it has been done. there's certainly some luck involved. you have to have it be timed right. porzingis was healthy more most of last year but the playoffs came and he missed most of it. they just didn't really need him. that's how good that roster is.

off topic but it sounds like giannis isnt too happy in milwaukee. rushing to go all in on kat might age badly

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I'd rather root for the Brooklyn Nets than watch Giannis shoot free throws for my team.

[3toheadmelo]

it is kind of like what the clippers tried to do with kawhi and the raptors did successfully with him. so i would say it has been done. there's certainly some luck involved. you have to have it be timed right. porzingis was healthy more most of last year but the playoffs came and he missed most of it. they just didn't really need him. that's how good that roster is.

off topic but it sounds like giannis isnt too happy in milwaukee. rushing to go all in on kat might age badly

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I'd rather root for the Brooklyn Nets than watch Giannis shoot free throws for my team.

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[Nostrand Ave]

Jrue is better than Mikal Bridges

[Chanel Bomber]

off topic but it sounds like giannis isnt too happy in milwaukee. rushing to go all in on kat might age badly

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I'd rather root for the Brooklyn Nets than watch Giannis shoot free throws for my team.

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yes