I’ve been saying for years the SGA trade was historically bad. It’s about to become the GOAT

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Re: I’ve been saying for years the SGA trade was historically bad. It’s about to become the GOAT 

Post#41 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:27 am

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DonaldSanders wrote:I hated this trade at the time, the whole idea that Kawhi would refuse to go to LA if they didn't get PG was BS, Kawhi wanted to go to LA. He just used his leverage and got what he wanted -- classic don't let the players be your GM move. I really doubt OKC would have required as much as they did, they just felt they had leverage over LA. Add the injury potential for Kawhi, and it was a clear overpay at the time.


I always hate this take, just seems like hindsight talking. Kawhi or PG (or both) could've ended up on the Lakers, for one, and even if at the time part of you thought it'd be a good idea to hold out, all the 'I'll wait and call your bluff' things are a lot harder to pull off when you're facing down losing a $100 bill because you're clinging to a couple $5s and $10s. The big thing here is just that injury luck for the Clips was about as bad as it couldve been, and the picks and player(s) the Clips traded happened to turn into absurdly great things, definitely as good as they could've realsitically been. Nut no one on the planet would've realistically slotted their value as that at the time--it was just as possible that the solid young player and decent pick became like Dyson Daniels and Jae Crowder or something like that, as it was that it became MVP-level SGA and Jalen Williams. Sometimes you lose good gambles.

Also if you're calling this a wild overpay then you have to say the same thing about every star trade that did work out. Was the Lakers AD trade a total folly? The price was at least as much as this PG one (much less if you consider Kawhi part of that), and AD was injury prone as well. How about CP3 to the Clippers? That one's an interesting contrast, because Eric Gordon (a legit young star at trade time) happened to suffer more injuries, and the very good pick traded in that deal happened to get used on Austin Rivers. The Pels got bad luck with the guys they got in that deal, so it was a steal for the Clips in retrospect. The exact opposite of what's happened with the Clips with the PG-Kawhi thing.


I said it at the time, so it's not hindsight. I think the Clippers overpaid to guarantee Kawhi, in the end nobody will ever know, we're all guessing. I also didn't say it was a wild overpay, just to me it was clearly an overpay. A lot of people said it was an overpay for PG at the time, but they said that balanced out the overall situation by getting Kawhi. I just think the Clippers could have played a bit more hardball to get a better outcome, just as I think Ainge would have let Gobert go for 1 less 1st.

I could be wrong, that's just how I saw it then and I don't have a change to my view now.
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Re: I’ve been saying for years the SGA trade was historically bad. It’s about to become the GOAT 

Post#42 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:29 am

kbitboc wrote:I'm just wondering has another team in history given up the best player in the trade and at least 3 first round picks on top of the best player?


Chris Webber/Penny Hardaway comes to mind.


But I forget now whether it was 3 picks PLUS the one used on Hardaway, or 3 picks total.
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Post#43 » by whatisacenter » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:01 am

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kbitboc wrote:I'm just wondering has another team in history given up the best player in the trade and at least 3 first round picks on top of the best player?


Chris Webber/Penny Hardaway comes to mind.


But I forget now whether it was 3 picks PLUS the one used on Hardaway, or 3 picks total.


Pick swap and 3 firsts but that’s not even the worst Warriors trade…..it was Parish and the pick that became McHale for Joe Barely Cares.
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Post#44 » by TheHartBreakKid » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:10 am

I don't believe in trades becoming worse overtime due to hindsight, especially when players who weren't involved in the trade are suffering injuries.
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Post#45 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:31 am

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kbitboc wrote:I'm just wondering has another team in history given up the best player in the trade and at least 3 first round picks on top of the best player?


Chris Webber/Penny Hardaway comes to mind.


But I forget now whether it was 3 picks PLUS the one used on Hardaway, or 3 picks total.


Pick swap and 3 firsts but that’s not even the worst Warriors trade…..it was Parish and the pick that became McHale for Joe Barely Cares.


Agreed and already noted above. (Warriors did get a second pick in the trade, I think in the low teens. But the pick was a bust.)
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Post#46 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:33 am

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kbitboc wrote:I'm just wondering has another team in history given up the best player in the trade and at least 3 first round picks on top of the best player?


Chris Webber/Penny Hardaway comes to mind.


But I forget now whether it was 3 picks PLUS the one used on Hardaway, or 3 picks total.


Pick swap and 3 firsts but that’s not even the worst Warriors trade…..it was Parish and the pick that became McHale for Joe Barely Cares.


Oh yeah -- the Warriors are also one of the teams that traded away Wilt, and the only one of his three NBA teams not to win a championship with him..
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Re: I’ve been saying for years the SGA trade was historically bad. It’s about to become the GOAT 

Post#47 » by playoffs » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:41 am

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If OKC gets Cooper Flagg I predict the league just throws the towel in. I’ve been saying future dynasty for 2 years and got clowned, but it’s getting close to that level of stacked, and may already be.

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Post#48 » by OkcSinceSGA » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:42 am

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Tracymcgoaty wrote:So when are you going back to the Clippers? Probably when Kawhi leaves or retires.


We welcome him with open arms to ride the bandwagon, he's a believer.

Everyone is welcome to hop on the wagon, just a bunch of scrappy young guys and a slippery Canadian with that dog in him.


OKC are a mega fun team to watch. But OKCSINCESGA has been a fan of the clips for like 30 years or something. No way he just ups and leaves the team. Dude just wants the bastards who started this crap to leave and we'll see him back in no time.


It would take a lot, but being that I recently moved back to the LA area, if they grabbed a generational rookie in the next decade I'd probably come back. I'd still root for OKC/SGA always and want them to win rings, but I'd at least shift that way again as a more active fan. I just can't believe I got duped for 3 eras man. The Brand/Maggette era, the Lob City era, and now the 213 era. Always injuries and choke jobs. 06 they had a shockingly realistic path to the title if they take out the Suns.

The same goes for 2020 and 2021 if they didn't choke hard in 2020 and have Kawhi get hurt in 2021. If it was your Lakers or any other team with championship pedigree, I guarantee you they would win at least 2/3 of those.
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Post#49 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:19 am

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If OKC gets Cooper Flagg I predict the league just throws the towel in. I’ve been saying future dynasty for 2 years and got clowned, but it’s getting close to that level of stacked, and may already be.

Nah. At most it would be for 4 years, as OKC cannot afford:

SGA at a max
Chet at a max
J-will on a likely max
Flagg projects to be a max player
Plus you need more than 2-3 guys on a team.

It it literally next to impossible to be a dynasty nowadays unless you manage to somehow get a star on a discount. OKC wont have that.


It's pretty unlikely we get Flagg but SGA will be 32 years old once Flagg's rookie contract ends so that's still a big window and a lot can happen in between...[/quote
Lets assume they got Flagg.

2025/26 would be his rookie year
SGA needs an extension in year 3
Chet needs an extension year 2
JWill needs an extension year 2

That really is not a big window at all.
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Post#50 » by SNPA » Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:42 am

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Re: I’ve been saying for years the SGA trade was historically bad. It’s about to become the GOAT 

Post#51 » by Mavrelous » Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:49 am

It was a terrible trade, but the truth is, OKC didn't get JDub from that trade, OKC traded for the Knicks pick, picked Dieng with it, to guarantee JDub is there at #12, had they not had #12, they would've picked JDub with the Knicks pick.
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Post#52 » by kbitboc » Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:09 am

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kbitboc wrote:I'm just wondering has another team in history given up the best player in the trade and at least 3 first round picks on top of the best player?


Chris Webber/Penny Hardaway comes to mind.


But I forget now whether it was 3 picks PLUS the one used on Hardaway, or 3 picks total.

But didn't Webber ended having a better career than Penny?
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Post#53 » by SweaterBae » Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:08 am

I don't get the Cooper Flagg love. No hate here, it's just weird to see an offense-less low ape ratio player hyped as some consensus #1 guy.
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Post#54 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:43 am

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UcanUwill wrote:when I think of GOAT bad trade, Tractor Traylor for Dirk Nowitzki always comes up first in my head. SGA trade however is all timer, but at least CLippers sold some tickets from Kawhi and PG13 fools goldery.


it's the 6th for for 9th and 18th pick.
moreover, it was agreed before for the bucks to take Dirk and the Mavs Trailor. Dirk was Nelson's man all along


Yes, I get it is rather a draft blunder than trade blunder, but technically, they traded him, they could just draft him for themselves.

they could not, without that trade the Mavs would have taken Dirk with their own pick.
It wad the same with the Carter-Jamison trade, the Warriors never really had a shot at Carter.
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Post#55 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:49 am

CwDogg wrote:Indiana trading Paul George for hurt Oladipo was just as bad.
They should have held on too him and got more from the Clippers

this is the worst revisionist take I might have heard in while
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Post#56 » by Pattycakes » Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:59 am

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If OKC gets Cooper Flagg I predict the league just throws the towel in. I’ve been saying future dynasty for 2 years and got clowned, but it’s getting close to that level of stacked, and may already be.


You think the thunder are so good that the league just “throws the towel in”?!

What an extremely homeristic take. Congratulations sir. Gonna go ahead and disagree with that one sided biased assessment of yours. Judging by your username, thunders fan?
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Post#57 » by floppymoose » Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:55 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:Ditto Parish + McHale.

as a Warriors fan this one always comes to mind
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Post#58 » by Mak » Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:56 am

OkcSinceSGA wrote:With Kawhi likely missing games for a long while there is a pretty high probability OKC is adding a lottery pick this year in a mega stacked draft. They don’t miss on draft picks. Even if you stopped it there and MVP winner to be SGA, Jalen Williams and the next couple lottery picks is all they get… it’s probably the greatest trade in NBA history. Far surpassing Kobe for Vlade.

It may seem ugly now, but will get much uglier soon


You can't count Kobe for Vlade... that was a forced trade.

But you know the funniest thing is..... Lawrence Frank won executive of the year in 2020. Should NBA take that award away from him looking back? He pretty much destroyed the Clipper franchise with a single move. Crazy.
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Post#59 » by Memories » Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:06 pm

So basically, this is the NBA version of the Herschel Walker trade.
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Post#60 » by flranger » Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:24 pm

OKC (Presti BTW) trading Harden to Rockets for what ultimately became: Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, Mitch McGary, Steven Adams was pretty bad considering what Harden became.

While he may get there, SGA certainly is not at the Rockets Harden level

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