Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[MessiahUjiri]

Harper looking like a shorter Paul Pierce-type of scorer. Very crafty and skilled despite not having top-range athleticism. Bailey a bit more awkward with his moves/dribble but that jab step fake into the pull-up was sharp/nice. His shot is looking real and that's what'll matter more rather than aesthetics. Both looking good future talents and we'd def be improved with either on the roster.

Masai being there tells you all you need to know about our plans this season.

Dude was in france watching Wemby, if there is one thing I've learned about Masai, it's that nothing means anything.

With Wemby, you had to be there to assess if the hype was real or not. Even though we had no shot. This year is different.

Sean Marks being there says a lot about the Nets plan. We can similarly infer that once Masai sees the potential, the tank will rev up.


We probably won’t be bottom 4 though. It’s most likely we’ll be in the 5-7 range, and hoping for lotto luck.

[Pointgod]

He is also 6 foot 10

Crying shame he wont be there at 8th.

8th gives you a great chance at moving up into top 4...

Besides, we going to be 7th worse.

Bottom 3 gives you over 50% odds of top 4!

[Pointgod]

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Bailey gives me KD vibes, not saying he’ll even come close but he’s actually the perfect compliment to Scottie on the wing.

[TorontoBarneys]

Need a top 6 pick this year.

[ItsDanger]

Sean Marks is there because his team might be the worst roster in NBA. It would be negligent not to scout a clear top 3 talent. Masai went to watch Wemby and then promptly traded for Poeltl in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. So, cannot conclude anything by his being there watching Rutgers

[Brinbe]

Sean Marks is there because his team might be the worst roster in NBA. It would be negligent not to scout a clear top 3 talent. Masai went to watch Wemby and then promptly traded for Poeltl in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. So, cannot conclude anything by his being there watching Rutgers

Nah, you're too smart to be playing those sort of weaselly games. Masai was giving that core one last chance to work things out. It ended poorly obviously and he ended up being totally wrong, but there was an entirely different context to what he was doing. He did win a championship with those guys. You know fairly well it's not nearly the same now. All we've heard out of the entire organization thus far has been rebuild and that they need to improve via the draft and we've seen last season that they can tank like any other team when motivated in that direction.

[YogurtProducer]

Sean Marks is there because his team might be the worst roster in NBA. It would be negligent not to scout a clear top 3 talent. Masai went to watch Wemby and then promptly traded for Poeltl in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. So, cannot conclude anything by his being there watching Rutgers

Nah, you're too smart to be playing those sort of weaselly games. Masai was giving that core one last chance to work things out. It ended poorly obviously and he ended up being totally wrong, but there was an entirely different context to what he was doing. He did win a championship with those guys. You know fairly well it's not nearly the same now. All we've heard out of the entire organization thus far has been rebuild and that they need to improve via the draft and we've seen last season that they can tank like any other team when motivated in that direction.

And not to mention, if we moved up in the lottery we kept our pick.

But I guess some people would rather Masai not do his job fully and make a pick blind

[ItsDanger]

Sean Marks is there because his team might be the worst roster in NBA. It would be negligent not to scout a clear top 3 talent. Masai went to watch Wemby and then promptly traded for Poeltl in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. So, cannot conclude anything by his being there watching Rutgers

Nah, you're too smart to be playing those sort of weaselly games. Masai was giving that core one last chance to work things out. It ended poorly obviously and he ended up being totally wrong, but there was an entirely different context to what he was doing. He did win a championship with those guys. You know it's not nearly the same now. All we've heard out of the entire organization thus far has been rebuild and that they need to improve via the draft.

He's got to follow through and not end up picking 8th or something. Seems like the plan is to let the chips fall where they may. I think our best odds are that certain other bottom end teams outperform.

[Gavin_TDThree]

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Bailey gives me KD vibes, not saying he’ll even come close but he’s actually the perfect compliment to Scottie on the wing.

Harper plays like a 10 year vet... dam he's smooth

[ConSarnit]

Sean Marks is there because his team might be the worst roster in NBA. It would be negligent not to scout a clear top 3 talent. Masai went to watch Wemby and then promptly traded for Poeltl in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. So, cannot conclude anything by his being there watching Rutgers

Nah, you're too smart to be playing those sort of weaselly games. Masai was giving that core one last chance to work things out. It ended poorly obviously and he ended up being totally wrong, but there was an entirely different context to what he was doing. He did win a championship with those guys. You know fairly well it's not nearly the same now. All we've heard out of the entire organization thus far has been rebuild and that they need to improve via the draft and we've seen last season that they can tank like any other team when motivated in that direction.

And not to mention, if we moved up in the lottery we kept our pick.

But I guess some people would rather Masai not do his job fully and make a pick blind

And also, wasn't Coulibaly on Wemby's team? It's highly likely Masai wasn't there just to scout Wemby.

[Brinbe]

Sean Marks is there because his team might be the worst roster in NBA. It would be negligent not to scout a clear top 3 talent. Masai went to watch Wemby and then promptly traded for Poeltl in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. So, cannot conclude anything by his being there watching Rutgers

Nah, you're too smart to be playing those sort of weaselly games. Masai was giving that core one last chance to work things out. It ended poorly obviously and he ended up being totally wrong, but there was an entirely different context to what he was doing. He did win a championship with those guys. You know it's not nearly the same now. All we've heard out of the entire organization thus far has been rebuild and that they need to improve via the draft.

He's got to follow through and not end up picking 8th or something. Seems like the plan is to let the chips fall where they may. I think our best odds are that certain other bottom end teams outperform.

I think we'll comfortably be in that bottom tier but where we ultimately end up will depend on lotto luck

[billy_hoyle]

Crying shame he wont be there at 8th.

8th gives you a great chance at moving up into top 4...

Besides, we going to be 7th worse.

No, it doesn't. It gives you a great chance, compared to 11th.

~25% chance is a great chance.

That's 1 in 4.

Worst team in the league is only ~50/50.

[SkywalkerAC]

Sexy top 2. But this draft is also going to have some great players drafted 8-11th and beyond. I like Egor myself.

[S.W.A.N]

8th gives you a great chance at moving up into top 4...

Besides, we going to be 7th worse.

No, it doesn't. It gives you a great chance, compared to 11th.

~25% chance is a great chance.

That's 1 in 4.

Worst team in the league is only ~50/50.

Exactly. If we finish in the 7-9 range (very likely) we get a good shot of getting a top 4 pick. And we don't have to stress wins and can just enjoy watching our young guys develop while also drooling over the Flagg Harper Ace V.J. Noa etc. ( Ya I high on Noa) potential.

[Chandan]

Sean Marks is there because his team might be the worst roster in NBA. It would be negligent not to scout a clear top 3 talent. Masai went to watch Wemby and then promptly traded for Poeltl in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs. So, cannot conclude anything by his being there watching Rutgers

he goes to those event so he can later lay claims that the future MVPs were on his radar all along.

[Scase]

8th gives you a great chance at moving up into top 4...

Besides, we going to be 7th worse.

No, it doesn't. It gives you a great chance, compared to 11th.

~25% chance is a great chance.

That's 1 in 4.

Worst team in the league is only ~50/50.

No the bottom 3 teams have over a 50% chance, which means as soon as anyone of them pulls a top 4 pick, our odds drop dramatically. These are not additive.

[billy_hoyle]

No, it doesn't. It gives you a great chance, compared to 11th.

~25% chance is a great chance.

That's 1 in 4.

Worst team in the league is only ~50/50.

No the bottom 3 teams have over a 50% chance, which means as soon as anyone of them pulls a top 4 pick, our odds drop dramatically. These are not additive.

What are you talking about?

The worst team in the league has the following odds:
Exactly 52.1 percent chance at a top 4 pick (i.e. ~50/50)
That's why the Detroit Pistons, despite being THE WORST team record wise in the league the last couple years, have NOT picked in the top 4 in either draft.

The 2nd and 3rd worst teams have the same chances as the worst for a top 4 pick.

At the beginning of the draft is the only time anything matters. Your additive comment is non-sense.

50% is no guarantee of anything. That's the point here. The olden days all but guaranteed top picks for the worst team or two. Its now flattened.

You're basically just as likely to see a 5-13 team pick 1st as a top 4 worst team. That's substantially different.

[Scase]

~25% chance is a great chance.

That's 1 in 4.

Worst team in the league is only ~50/50.

No the bottom 3 teams have over a 50% chance, which means as soon as anyone of them pulls a top 4 pick, our odds drop dramatically. These are not additive.

What are you talking about?

The worst team in the league has the following odds:
Exactly 52.1 percent chance at a top 4 pick (i.e. ~50/50)
That's why the Detroit Pistons, despite being THE WORST team record wise in the league the last couple years, have NOT picked in the top 4 in either draft.

The 2nd and 3rd worst teams have the same chances as the worst for a top 4 pick.

At the beginning of the draft is the only time anything matters. Your additive comment is non-sense.

50% is no guarantee of anything. That's the point here. The olden days all but guaranteed top picks for the worst team or two. Its now flattened.

You're basically just as likely to see a 5-13 team pick 1st as a top 4 worst team. That's substantially different.

No you literally are not, that's why the odds are different. A top 3 worst team has 14x the chance than a 13th team. What even is this argument.

The beginning of the draft matters if it was all done in parallel, but it's not. It's done sequentially. Which means once the 1st OA pick is determined then the odds change for the remainder of the picks. This is a basic concept.

[billy_hoyle]

No the bottom 3 teams have over a 50% chance, which means as soon as anyone of them pulls a top 4 pick, our odds drop dramatically. These are not additive.

What are you talking about?

The worst team in the league has the following odds:
Exactly 52.1 percent chance at a top 4 pick (i.e. ~50/50)
That's why the Detroit Pistons, despite being THE WORST team record wise in the league the last couple years, have NOT picked in the top 4 in either draft.

The 2nd and 3rd worst teams have the same chances as the worst for a top 4 pick.

At the beginning of the draft is the only time anything matters. Your additive comment is non-sense.

50% is no guarantee of anything. That's the point here. The olden days all but guaranteed top picks for the worst team or two. Its now flattened.

You're basically just as likely to see a 5-13 team pick 1st as a top 4 worst team. That's substantially different.

No you literally are not, that's why the odds are different. A top 3 worst team has 14x the chance than a 13th team. What even is this argument.

The beginning of the draft matters if it was all done in parallel, but it's not. It's done sequentially. Which means once the 1st OA pick is determined then the odds change for the remainder of the picks. This is a basic concept.

You are unable to understand basic sentences. I clearly grouped the 1-4 teams and the 5-13 teams as groups of combined odds. Hence why teams below the top4 are regularly supplanting the top 4 teams.

Come on man. You must be trolling

[Clutch0z24]

We need to be in that top 5 at least on draft lottery for me to be satisfied...Because we would have such a good chance to end up with a top pick and even if we end up top 5 i still wouldn't be mad because i like 5 guys in this draft and i would be excited to add any one of them...

My fear is we end up with the 6th, 7th pick, draft a decent player but ends up not being an all star type of guy....Barnes doesn't pan out as a number 1 guy and we end up having to start over again in 5 years....Thats how you become the Pistons...

Id be fine with Masai trying to legit Bottom out like the Wizards/Nets for this one year if it means we get a top 5 pick in this stacked draft....

A way to do it is Darko simply Playing the bench rookies alot of mins, Trade Yak, Boucher, Brown.... Let Quickley/Barrett/Barnes get all the stats they want and let the young guys get extended time during games....I think theres a way we out tank teams to get a top 5 pick odds