2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread

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Which 2 rookies are you most high on / impressed with?

Zach Edey
66
25%
Reed Shephard
26
10%
Zaccharie Risacher
36
14%
Alexandre Sarr
8
3%
Stephon Castle
21
8%
Matas Buzelis
12
5%
Ron Holland
5
2%
Bub Carrington
12
5%
Donovan Clingan
23
9%
Other (Dillingham, Knecht, Eells, Salaün, Williams, Ware, McCain, etc.)
57
21%
 
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Post#61 » by zimpy27 » Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:34 am

FrodoBaggins wrote:Zach Edey has the highest upside. Unlike all the other drafted players we've actually seen what Zach's high-end outcome looks like. We have a proof of concept; he's shown he can handle the burden/offensive load of a superstar primary option at a high level of competition. You cannot say that for any of the other draftees.

It doesn't mean his upside is the most likely; it's just that his ceiling is the greatest. Which it is. We're talking about a 7'5" in shoes, 7'11" wingspan, 300+ pound center with above-average mobility and athleticism for the center position, and a soft touch to go along with a legitimate post-up game. And the ability to hit free throws.

He has an actual pathway to become a primary offensive option. However likely or unlikely that is...


I see Embiid or at least a diet version. I agree highest upside.
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Post#62 » by zimpy27 » Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:36 am

mtx wrote:How would you rank Reed, Dalton, Zacc, Clingan, Sarr in terms of who will start producing asap??


Pretty much the order you wrote them.
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Post#63 » by penggemar » Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:31 am

mtx wrote:How would you rank Reed, Dalton, Zacc, Clingan, Sarr in terms of who will start producing asap??


Zacc, Dalton, Reed, Clingan, Sarr.
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Post#64 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Oct 18, 2024 11:35 am

zimpy27 wrote:
mtx wrote:How would you rank Reed, Dalton, Zacc, Clingan, Sarr in terms of who will start producing asap??


Pretty much the order you wrote them.



Reed won't have the minutes
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Post#65 » by God Squad » Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:52 pm

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God Squad wrote:I've been disappointed in Knect because I thought he would be perfect for his role and NBA-ready.

Jared McCain has also been rough. But this one only hurts because I thought he'd be better than he showed so far.

Big fan of Devin Carter, and I think he'll make an impact when he returns.


You still disappointed in Knecht after this 35 point peformance while shooting 8/13 from three? He's nba ready definitely. Probably should start after like 10 games into the season
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Kind of, yes. He's 23, turning 24 in April. This is his first "good" game since the college season ended. But yeah he had a great/efficient game last night. I thought Dalton would have some buzz as NBA ready ala Edey.

With that said, Dalton so far has had the best single game out of the Rookies.

35 points on 18 shots is nooiiice.
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Post#66 » by dockingsched » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:12 pm

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God Squad wrote:I've been disappointed in Knect because I thought he would be perfect for his role and NBA-ready.

Jared McCain has also been rough. But this one only hurts because I thought he'd be better than he showed so far.

Big fan of Devin Carter, and I think he'll make an impact when he returns.


You still disappointed in Knecht after this 35 point peformance while shooting 8/13 from three? He's nba ready definitely. Probably should start after like 10 games into the season
[youtube][/youtube];list=WL&index=4

This is his first "good" game since the college season ended.


He was on the All-Vegas summer league second team and top 2 scorer amongst rookies.
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Post#67 » by God Squad » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:32 pm

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God Squad wrote:
PlatinumState wrote:
You still disappointed in Knecht after this 35 point peformance while shooting 8/13 from three? He's nba ready definitely. Probably should start after like 10 games into the season
[youtube][/youtube];list=WL&index=4

This is his first "good" game since the college season ended.


He was on the All-Vegas summer league second team and top 2 scorer amongst rookies.

So I decided to go back and look. This is from the California Classic
Knecht will exit the California Classic having averaged 14.7 points, 4.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists and 1.3 steals across 26.3 minutes per game. However, the rookie first-rounder shot 12-for-43 (27.9 percent) from the field and 4-for-15 (26.8 percent) from beyond the arc. It's not abnormal for a rookie to struggle with efficiency during Summer League, and there shouldn't be much concern regarding Knecht's ability to score after averaging 21.7 points per game last season at Tennessee.


Here are two from Vegas ( didn't wanna really look)
Shooting 9-18 against Houston
https://www.espn.co.uk/nba-summer-league/boxscore/_/gameId/401686820/league/nba-summer-las-vegas

3-12 vs the Kings
https://www.nba.com/game/lal-vs-skt-1322400001/box-score

Probably a little hyperbole in terms of "first good", but he hasn't been that good as he's struggled with efficiency. I'm impressed by yesterday's game as it was a very efficient 35.
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Post#68 » by ItsDanger » Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:16 pm

Knecht is a scorer. On Lakers, opportunity in that role is limited.
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Post#69 » by Special_Puppy » Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:25 pm

mtx wrote:How would you rank Reed, Dalton, Zacc, Clingan, Sarr in terms of who will start producing asap??


Reed, Sarr, Clingan, Zacc, Dalton
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Post#70 » by FrodoBaggins » Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:17 pm

If we're talking about ceiling player comparisons for Edey I don't agree with Embiid let alone Yao. Both could face up and shoot which isn't Zach's game. Duncan also faced up and shot a lot of jumpers. Edey's offensive upside is based on creating intense rim and foul pressure via low-post play, roll-and-cut finishing around the basket, and offensive rebounding. Jump hooks, drop steps, and dunks.

There are really only two guys post-merger who fit that mold and were primary offensive options: Shaq and Dwight. And neither of them is a perfect comparison. Both are more explosive than Zach but smaller and can't hit free throws like him. He's more like Shaq regarding post moves (jump hooks, drop steps, dunks) but unlike O'Neal, he's active as a screener and PnR player like Dwight.

Zach's 25 ppg 2023-24 season Synergy play-type breakdown was almost identical to Dwight's 23 ppg 2010-11 season. 60-65% post-up frequency with the rest of the offense coming from PnR roll man, cuts, put-backs, and some transition. So they're similar on a general level concerning the areas on the court and the type of plays they score from.

However, the specific moves are a little different; Dwight faces up in the post and plays above the rim more as a finisher. Gets out in transition more too. On the other hand, Zach is simply better as a pure post-up player, especially during isolation plays. And he can hit free throws which is huge.

My granular offensive ceiling comps are:

- 2004-2006 late-prime Shaq that can shoot 70-75% FT but plays like Orlando Dwight (more PnR/deep seals off the roll)
- Bigger, stronger, more skilled, less explosive Orlando Dwight that can shoot 70-75% FT. Faces up in the post less, gets above the rim and out in transition less, but is way better in the post, especially in isolation post-up plays.
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Post#71 » by FrodoBaggins » Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:34 pm

I wonder if Edey is playing against Miami tonight. He's played all four preseason games so far. He's played a total of 180 possessions and Memphis has a 109.4 ORtg and 106.0 DRtg with him on the court. His defense and mobility has looked good per my eye. Check out this closeout on Myles Turner. He makes the shot but that was a superb recovery and strong contest.

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Post#73 » by Pointgod » Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:54 pm

West side Knecht, Knecht Four.. loving that we’re leaning into this

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Post#74 » by The-Power » Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:32 am

Under the radar but I really liked what I've seen from Kyshawn George. I already liked him as a prospect in college but figured he needed some time to find his footing in the NBA. But thus far in pre-season, he has held more than his own by just playing smart and making the most of what's available. He already looks like a suitable role player early on which is awesome.
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Post#75 » by Waynearchetype » Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:41 pm

Clingan put up 14 pts 20 rbs 4 ast 4 blk in 24 minutes last night. He looked gassed at the end but damn, him and Edey are looking great so far.
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Post#76 » by UcanUwill » Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:47 pm

Klomp wrote:He probably won't get the opportunity to show it this year, but I think Rob Dillingham has a chance to be one of the best players in this class. There will be nights like tonight where he will struggle with his shot, but he entered today with 14 assists to just 1 turnover through his first two preseason games. That's huge for him and his development going forward.


I didn't know anything about him, but he has been a revelation for me, great player. All I heard that he is very small, like below 6', but from what I have seen, he didn't look that short, just a normal looking PG. Also, I had no idea he had passing game, people talked like hes just Lou WIlliams lite.
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Post#77 » by UcanUwill » Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:06 pm

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amcoolio wrote:Salaun is averaging 14/5.5 and shooting 43% from 3 on 8 attempts per game (!!) and playing solid defense and even started for Charlotte last game...

I'm just saying. Maybe we were all wrong about him. Is any rookie shooting better this preseason? The dude is huge at 6'10" and is shooting so fluid. He's way, way more filled out than Giannis was as a rookie. He can't dribble worth a damn and doesn't have Giannis' athleticism though. I didn't think he'd be a rotation player, but with the way he's playing he is probably one of the primary backup forward/centers now


He def seems more nba ready than a lot of people said. All analysts were talking about him like some raw project thats gonna take 5 years to develop into something that resembles a nba bench player


Had to look up where he played, Cholet, which is decent French team, but not qualified for any Europe tournament.

The %s were definitely not there last season, so its either a fluke so far, or rapid development, but last year, his stats for Cholet looked project like :

9.5 ppg. (39.0 FG% : 32.7 3PT% : 69.6 FT%); 4.1 rpg. 1.1 apg. 1.1 spg. 0.2 bpg. : 23.1 MIN : 51.2 TS% : -6.4 eDIFF : 13.1 PER.
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Post#78 » by The-Power » Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:44 pm

UcanUwill wrote:All I heard that he is very small, like below 6', but from what I have seen, he didn't look that short, just a normal looking PG.

He's 6'1 (w/o shoes) with a 6'3 wingspan. Undersized even for a PG but not terribly so if he can indeed play PG down the road. Biggest concern was that he weighed only 164 lbs at the combine. He'll need to add to that.
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Post#79 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:34 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Knecht is a scorer. On Lakers, opportunity in that role is limited.


not at all. He moves so well without the ball and can shoot so he'll get plenty of opportunities playing with Lebron to score and he can run a two-man game and lead the 2nd unit when Lebron is on the bench.
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Post#80 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:36 pm

The-Power wrote:Under the radar but I really liked what I've seen from Kyshawn George. I already liked him as a prospect in college but figured he needed some time to find his footing in the NBA. But thus far in pre-season, he has held more than his own by just playing smart and making the most of what's available. He already looks like a suitable role player early on which is awesome.


I've always felt he could run an offense with his BBIQ and passing ability and with Poole better off ball and Carrington capable of playing off-ball, he may get that opportunity and that's where he'll shine. He might be the most underrated prospect in the draft

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