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2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET

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Re: 2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET 

Post#321 » by GameOver25 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:09 am

thelead wrote:Caleb Houstan is going to be buried on the bench. He had his shot last year and it didn’t work out for him. Going to be tough for him moving forward.


It's early, but he's falling into the category of the Okeke/Harkless/Iwundu type of players.
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Re: 2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET 

Post#322 » by DiplomaticMagic » Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:45 am

Cole Anthony is the weakest link.
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Post#323 » by eyriq » Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:48 am

Jett preaching the gospel of AB
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Post#324 » by KillMonger » Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:56 am

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this is where i like paolo, this is a solid wrinkle offensively
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Re: 2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET 

Post#325 » by KillMonger » Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:02 am

pepe1991 wrote:People need to calm down :lol:

It's preseason. There is viral video of Jokic last night refusing to play defense because, why bother, it's preseason?!
As i post this, Lakers are down by near 50, Jazz lost to Blazers by 38. Warriors are 5-0 in preseason, Nuggets 1-4, Kings 0-5. Non of it matters. They all start at 0-0 within few days.
Some teams used presason to really just throw s*** at wall expecting to get new Salvador Dali picture out of it, some use it to build chemistry, some treat it as waste of time with high injury risk.
Embiid isn't hurt, they just elected to not play him in preseason games this year .
Victor only played 37 min of preseason in 2 out of 5 games because Pop probably doesn't want his 7'2 athlete to be exposed to rackless talentless fools that will go with 100% force because they are fighting for contracts.


As for Black and "role". He simply wasn't playmaker as a rookie. Hence, 1,3 apg. Would his role change this year? I belive not by much, because on most nights Black still won't be playing more than 15-18 mpg and during that period lot of times he will share floor with Cole but also with Franz, who was last year bench connector.
Especially now, with Ingles gone, Franz will have even bigger role in keeping bench offense going.

Black looks better than last year, and we all expected that, over past 3 games he showed playmaking flashes but again, context of it matters, majority of min he collected was against fringe nba players and kind a non existing defense. It's good he can take adventage of it, but we won't learn ANYTHING about ANYBODY watching preseason game, especially in situation where 3 best opposing players are out. And for damn sure next time we meet 76ers they won't be led by Ricky Council 4th and Jeff Dowtin junior. ( literally had to google who those bums are, turns out one of them even played 4 games for Magic :lol: ) .


We are just 5 days away from real thing!

wasn't the case tonight, he was playing against caleb martin, kj martin, reggie jackson solid players
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Re: 2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET 

Post#326 » by GelbeWand09 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:33 am

If AB proves me wrong + Both AB & Jett outplaying Cole this season, I'm a very happy Magic fan. :lol:
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Re: 2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET 

Post#327 » by drsd » Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:39 am

Box score thoughts:

Orlando won all four quarters (coach will love the 3rd quarter)
The Magic was dominant defensively

Orlando's three ball was poor
Eleven Magicians missed at least one three-ball
The team had too many TOs

Suggs played like a PG
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Post#328 » by DiplomaticMagic » Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:53 am

Preseason overreactions....most has been said.

Suggs - Whether hes a PG or not, i dont care. I just want him to prove that his 40% 3 ball last year was no fluke and to stay healthy.

Kcp - Same thing, i just want him to continue to shoot 40% on 3s like in the past, and not forget how to shoot.

Franz - im a little worried, every shot that wasnt a layup was off. I 100% wouldnt have gave him the max.

Paolo future superstar

Wendell - not a big fan but he played well this game. Looked more agile which should help a lot finishing at the rim.

Cole: weakest link, needs to either be traded or become cheerleader

Gary: I have no beef with Gary, but definitely would rather have Jett in the game.

AB - im happy he set a lot of guys up, but more worried about him breaking guys down off the dribble. Thats really the biggest thing he needs to work on imo

Jett - i hope he plays, as he brings an entire new skillset to this team.

Isaac - Man im not sure if his timing was off today or if hes slower due to the weight gain. But i much rather have JI guard big wings and 4s on the permiter than big men. Not sure if this weight gain is really beneficial. I know they want to be able to play franz, paolo and ji together, but i dont want to use him like a center. I want what he did last year but with more minutes

Mo - im a big fan of Moritz, but if hes not going to be set up for finishes at the rim and shooting 60% than he should not be playing over Goga. Im worried about how hes going to look post Ingles.

Goga- too good to be a DNP, Im thinking he should be main backup. I think AB would work with Goga better too.

TDS - Looks good shooting but he looks small out there right now. Every time he defends and reaches out, his wingspan looks short and often fouls.

Out of these, for this season im most worried about both Wagner bros.
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Post#329 » by drsd » Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:12 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Cole: weakest link, needs to either be traded or become cheerleader

TDS - Looks good shooting but he looks small out there right now. Every time he defends and reaches out, his wingspan looks short and often fouls.





If Orlando traded Anthony for a quality backup SF, this team would be set.


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Post#330 » by SOUL » Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:24 am

pepe1991 wrote:We are just 5 days away from real thing!


I agree to an extent, I think Black will be way better this year but I already see how the whole "push out every veteran/all the people on the outs are vets" sort of thing going on and I guarantee that there will be a lot of games where Jett/Black/TDS will not be "the answers" that night. I think there should be an important distinction between opportunity and minutes being available versus "we need to trade every single guy in order to develop all of our young guys because they're the answers."
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Post#331 » by Bensational » Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:55 am

AB/Jett/TDS taking over from Cole/Harris/KCP is going to be a multi-season thing, barring a freak breakout or freakier consolidation trade.

24-25: AB is already in the 2nd unit. Jett and TDS will split minutes and games with Harris and cover injuries to Suggs or KCP.

25-26: Jett and TDS get their shot with the 2nd unit full time, and one of Cole or Harris accept a 3rd string role.

26-27: Unless their development severely stagnates, I’d project one of AB or Jett to be a starter by their 4th or 5th season. KCP will be in the final year of his contract and 34 years old and my guess is he’ll be on the bench this season. As long as they’re playing well, I’m sure contract politics will help AB and Jett secure heavy minutes and larger roles to show out this season.

So all in all a couple more seasons of backup duties and 18-20mpg - again, unless one of them blows up overnight or a random trade happens. Probably not what people want to hear, but hopefully all the winning in between will keep us all happy. If we didn’t have Jett and TDS in the wings I don’t think people would be unhappy about Cole and Harris as backup guards, because they’re still good players in their own right. So good problems to have!
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Re: 2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET 

Post#332 » by pepe1991 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:36 am

SOUL wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:We are just 5 days away from real thing!


I agree to an extent, I think Black will be way better this year but I already see how the whole "push out every veteran/all the people on the outs are vets" sort of thing going on and I guarantee that there will be a lot of games where Jett/Black/TDS will not be "the answers" that night. I think there should be an important distinction between opportunity and minutes being available versus "we need to trade every single guy in order to develop all of our young guys because they're the answers."


Yea, and not just that, last year there was plenty of trash opponents where you could roll 13 men in same game. This year? Not really.

Vs Pistons & vs Wizards, rest of teams have competitive rosters.

Also, unlike Fultz & Harris, who were fringe starters, KCP is strong starter and career 30 mpg guy. Franz signed max, Banchero is already 35 mpg guy. Suggs is in contract year ( probably).
Bench will probably play less.

I wrote on other thread that this will be most challenging season for Mosley. Lot of players expect to play, there is pressure of result & improvment and in same time there is pressure of playing young players and development.


For da Silva and Howard situation is even more difficult because they play same positions as team's most expensive and best players.
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Re: 2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET 

Post#333 » by J-Mezzy » Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:17 am

Really wish Harris and Anthony played less so we could give Howard more minutes.

I can’t wait for the season to start.
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Post#334 » by CalOrl11 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:51 am

The problem I have with AB is he rarely looks like he can successfully dribble past a defender and create space. It mostly ends with a heavily contested shot in the paint or a kick out. Couldn't watch the game last night but it's nice to see him hit a couple threes.
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Post#335 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:14 am

drsd wrote:Box score thoughts:

Orlando won all four quarters (coach will love the 3rd quarter)
The Magic was dominant defensively

Orlando's three ball was poor
Eleven Magicians missed at least one three-ball
The team had too many TOs

Suggs played like a PG

We loss the second quarter 31 to their 35.
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Post#336 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:16 am

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Why waste Arnie’s time?

It’s never a waste of time when you can help someone. Caleb can be a knockdown shooter but his confidence has got to be waning. I’m not giving up on a 21 year old.
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Post#337 » by basketballRob » Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:52 am

I was hoping TDS would come in and look like Cam Johnson, but so far, he hasn't. We could always trade for Cam, who is very available. A forward group of Paolo, Franz, Cam, and Isaac is pretty good. Cam has been an analytics darling, like Franz, prior to last season. Cam was #3 in 6MOY voting one season, so he'd thrive in that role. AB, Harris, Cam, Isaac, and Moe in the second unit.

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Re: 2024-2025 Preseason Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (3-2) at Orlando Magic (0-2) - 7pm ET 

Post#338 » by tiderulz » Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:04 am

drsd wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:Cole: weakest link, needs to either be traded or become cheerleader

TDS - Looks good shooting but he looks small out there right now. Every time he defends and reaches out, his wingspan looks short and often fouls.





If Orlando traded Anthony for a quality backup SF, this team would be set.


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but is Anthony a quality PG/SG? cant trade chicken $%#$% for chicken salad
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Post#339 » by tiderulz » Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:07 am

basketballRob wrote:I was hoping TDS would come in and look like Cam Johnson, but so far, he hasn't. We could always trade for Cam, who is very available. A forward group of Paolo, Franz, Cam, and Isaac is pretty good. Cam has been an analytics darling, like Franz, prior to last season. Cam was #3 in 6MOY voting one season, so he'd thrive in that role. AB, Harris, Cam, Isaac, and Moe in the second unit.

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ready to trade away a rookie who has only played 3 pre-season games?
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Post#340 » by basketballRob » Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:16 am

tiderulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I was hoping TDS would come in and look like Cam Johnson, but so far, he hasn't. We could always trade for Cam, who is very available. A forward group of Paolo, Franz, Cam, and Isaac is pretty good. Cam has been an analytics darling, like Franz, prior to last season. Cam was #3 in 6MOY voting one season, so he'd thrive in that role. AB, Harris, Cam, Isaac, and Moe in the second unit.

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ready to trade away a rookie who has only played 3 pre-season games?
If we could include Cole and not much draft compensation. Cole, TDS, and 3 seconds would be a good deal or Cole, TDS, and Caleb.

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