Kuminga and moody extensions

[Twinkie defense]

If Moody isn't ready for a big role, why are they keeping him?

Because even if he isn't ready for a big role, he can still play, he has upside, he's on a reasonable contract, and he has value around the League as a trade asset. Seems like a no-brainer to keep him around at what is basically the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level ($12.822 mil)?

Wiseman signed for a league minimum post rookie deal... if Moody has value as a trade asset, they are trying to win now, and he's not a rotation lock, then they should have traded him. At best this looks wonky, at worst there's a disconnect between the front office and the coach. And considering how Wiseman was handled and how Kerr slow-played JK and Moody, it seems like the latter

Wiseman is bad at basketball and everyone can see that, could see that. So I don't think that is a good comparison.

IDK I just don't see how having a good (if imperfect) young player on a team-friendly contract is a bad idea - whether or not he has a big role this season. Of course I hope he has a great season...

[Crazy-Canuck]

I thought I saw that JK was offered around 30m / year ... but obviously speculation

I'm HIGHLY doubtful that MDJ would put his name to that, especially after the Warriors' Jordan Poole fiasco.

It’s possible Kuminga would’ve accepted a contract below max value, but the Warriors never upped their offer (somewhere near the $30ish million per year range) into an appealing enough ballpark. So the two sides plan to let Kuminga’s fourth season play out before revisiting his future.

Anthony slaters article says this …

So all the talk about jk wanting the full max was true. I think mjd dodged a bullet with jk not taking the 30M+ per year.

[SpreeS]

Kuminga is still younger than 23 drafted players in this summer. He and Giddey has at least one or two years for development compared with their draft class.

[WarriorGM]

The team played hardball. It is what it is. Expecting Moody to take team friendly discounts in the future would be insulting. Same reason I think begrudging Steph taking the full 60+ this year is disrespectful.

[Crazy-Canuck]

According to shams, jk and his team think he's on a kawhi or siakam trajectory. If they dubs felt the same way, they would have maxed him.
Someone remind jk that those guys defend.

30M is more than fair.

[Onus]

According to shams, jk and his team think he's on a kawhi or siakam trajectory. If they dubs felt the same way, they would have maxed him.
Someone remind jk that those guys defend.

30M is more than fair.

30 is an overpay especially for what he is now. But in an environment where there is essentially a salary cap this was the best we could do other than trade him.

[SpreeS]

According to shams, jk and his team think he's on a kawhi or siakam trajectory. If they dubs felt the same way, they would have maxed him.
Someone remind jk that those guys defend.

30M is more than fair.

30 is an overpay especially for what he is now. But in an environment where there is essentially a salary cap this was the best we could do other than trade him.

It isn’t overpay then max contract will be around 90mln/year in 29/30 season.

[whatisacenter]

I am in Kuminga's camp on this one.....I wouldn't want to sing for less if I was him either.

The Warriors should just trade him already to another team that will give him a legitimate roll.

Jonathan Kuminga and the Golden State Warriors will not sign an extension before Monday's deadline, which will lead him to restricted free agency in 2025, reports Shams Charania on NBA Today. Kuminga is represented by agent Aaron Turner and is on a $7.6 million deal this season.

Both Kuminga and the Warriors are interested in seeing how the season plays out. Kuminga has been seeking an extension at or near his maximum. Kuminga sees his own career as potentially having a similar trajectory to Kawhi Leonard, Pascal Siakam and Jaylen Brown.

Last season, Kuminga averaged 16.1 points, 4.8 rebounds and 2.2 assists in a career-high 26 minutes per game.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277748/Jonathan-Kuminga-Warriors-Wont-Agree-To-Extension

[Crazy-Canuck]

According to shams, jk and his team think he's on a kawhi or siakam trajectory. If they dubs felt the same way, they would have maxed him.
Someone remind jk that those guys defend.

30M is more than fair.

30 is an overpay especially for what he is now. But in an environment where there is essentially a salary cap this was the best we could do other than trade him.

Suggs, trey, and Johnson extended for that amount. I think jk is in a similar tier, but I'd take all 3 over jk for a similar price for THIS team around steph/Dray.

[SpreeS]

According to shams, jk and his team think he's on a kawhi or siakam trajectory. If they dubs felt the same way, they would have maxed him.
Someone remind jk that those guys defend.

30M is more than fair.

30 is an overpay especially for what he is now. But in an environment where there is essentially a salary cap this was the best we could do other than trade him.

Suggs, trey, and Johnson extended for that amount. I think jk is in a similar tier, but I'd take all 3 over jk for a similar price for THIS team around steph/Dray.

Would ypu pay them these contracts at Kuminga age?

[Crazy-Canuck]

30 is an overpay especially for what he is now. But in an environment where there is essentially a salary cap this was the best we could do other than trade him.

Suggs, trey, and Johnson extended for that amount. I think jk is in a similar tier, but I'd take all 3 over jk for a similar price for THIS team around steph/Dray.

Would ypu pay them these contracts at Kuminga age?

Id take all 3 over jk at similar ages, because they fit better. Not because of talent. All 3 do more things on a basketball court.

I liked jk more in year 1 than I did in year 2 and 3. There were flashes of 2 way play there. Since then, he's attended the Jordan Poole school of getting paid.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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Moses "new money" moody

[Twinkie defense]

Where is the opening night gamethread?! Warriors should start Moody and bring Kuminga off the bench

[Twinkie defense]

I am in Kuminga's camp on this one.....I wouldn't want to sing for less if I was him either.

The Warriors should just trade him already to another team that will give him a legitimate roll.

Jonathan Kuminga and the Golden State Warriors will not sign an extension before Monday's deadline, which will lead him to restricted free agency in 2025, reports Shams Charania on NBA Today. Kuminga is represented by agent Aaron Turner and is on a $7.6 million deal this season.

Both Kuminga and the Warriors are interested in seeing how the season plays out. Kuminga has been seeking an extension at or near his maximum. Kuminga sees his own career as potentially having a similar trajectory to Kawhi Leonard, Pascal Siakam and Jaylen Brown.

Last season, Kuminga averaged 16.1 points, 4.8 rebounds and 2.2 assists in a career-high 26 minutes per game.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277748/Jonathan-Kuminga-Warriors-Wont-Agree-To-Extension

4.8 rebounds Jesus that's less than Podz He'd better step up his game if he wants to get paid.

[Old_Blue]

Moses "new money" moody

I really hope GP2 doesn't call Moody this again. Draymond's natural response will be to physically assault Moody.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I am in Kuminga's camp on this one.....I wouldn't want to sing for less if I was him either.

The Warriors should just trade him already to another team that will give him a legitimate roll.

Jonathan Kuminga and the Golden State Warriors will not sign an extension before Monday's deadline, which will lead him to restricted free agency in 2025, reports Shams Charania on NBA Today. Kuminga is represented by agent Aaron Turner and is on a $7.6 million deal this season.

Both Kuminga and the Warriors are interested in seeing how the season plays out. Kuminga has been seeking an extension at or near his maximum. Kuminga sees his own career as potentially having a similar trajectory to Kawhi Leonard, Pascal Siakam and Jaylen Brown.

Last season, Kuminga averaged 16.1 points, 4.8 rebounds and 2.2 assists in a career-high 26 minutes per game.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277748/Jonathan-Kuminga-Warriors-Wont-Agree-To-Extension

4.8 rebounds Jesus that's less than Podz He'd better step up his game if he wants to get paid.

4.8 is pretty good for a poa/perimeter defender because they are usually the furthest away from the rebound. Guys like og and bridges have always hovered around that range. At pf? Those are cliff Robinson numbers.

[TB]

I like that Kuminga has the confidence to see himself on the Leonard/Brown/Siakam trajectory and worthy of Scottie/Mobley/Franz money or even Sengun money.

But I think his agent is doing Kuminga a disservice for not heavily pushing him to take a deal in the range that other players got who have had equal or more production to this point. Even if you think you are better than Suggs/Green/Johnson etc.... risking 150m (or around there) on an unlucky injury or really bad season is insane to me.

And obviously this greatly increases the chance he's traded. Unless he's impacting games this year at the level of those max guys, the Warriors aren't going to tie up that much of the cap if they still think he's a 30m a year at the highest type of player. So for Kuminga to be a Warrior past the deadline (and definitely past free agency), he's going to have to ball out this year. And if he does ball out and earn that max deal, that is going to make this season and the future incredibly fun for Dubs fans.

[EvanZ]

Kuminga could end up like Nerlens Noel.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I like that Kuminga has the confidence to see himself on the Leonard/Brown/Siakam trajectory and worthy of Scottie/Mobley/Franz money or even Sengun money.

But I think his agent is doing Kuminga a disservice for not heavily pushing him to take a deal in the range that other players got who have had equal or more production to this point. Even if you think you are better than Suggs/Green/Johnson etc.... risking 150m (or around there) on an unlucky injury or really bad season is insane to me.

And obviously this greatly increases the chance he's traded. Unless he's impacting games this year at the level of those max guys, the Warriors aren't going to tie up that much of the cap if they still think he's a 30m a year at the highest type of player. So for Kuminga to be a Warrior past the deadline (and definitely past free agency), he's going to have to ball out this year. And if he does ball out and earn that max deal, that is going to make this season and the future incredibly fun for Dubs fans.

I think this has the potential to get messy.

Dickinson on the light years pod, guesses jk wants 200M, wants to start at sf, and wants to be featured on offense.

At the same time we are getting reports in media of the team questioning jks fit.

Best case is jk plays like a max player with great offense and excellent defense and the dubs pay him.

[Onus]

I like that Kuminga has the confidence to see himself on the Leonard/Brown/Siakam trajectory and worthy of Scottie/Mobley/Franz money or even Sengun money.

But I think his agent is doing Kuminga a disservice for not heavily pushing him to take a deal in the range that other players got who have had equal or more production to this point. Even if you think you are better than Suggs/Green/Johnson etc.... risking 150m (or around there) on an unlucky injury or really bad season is insane to me.

And obviously this greatly increases the chance he's traded. Unless he's impacting games this year at the level of those max guys, the Warriors aren't going to tie up that much of the cap if they still think he's a 30m a year at the highest type of player. So for Kuminga to be a Warrior past the deadline (and definitely past free agency), he's going to have to ball out this year. And if he does ball out and earn that max deal, that is going to make this season and the future incredibly fun for Dubs fans.

I think this has the potential to get messy.

Dickinson on the light years pod, guesses jk wants 200M, wants to start at sf, and wants to be featured on offense.

At the same time we are getting reports in media of the team questioning jks fit.

Best case is jk plays like a max player with great offense and excellent defense and the dubs pay him.

JK really could be similar to Klay. We should be able to hide JK as a poa defender but the offense is going to be rough and they're really going to have to score in transition to keep things afloat for the starting lineup.