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I didn't even realize Brobley went to camp with the 76ers. I am sure he ends up on the Blue Coats.
I didn't even realize Brobley went to camp with the 76ers. I am sure he ends up on the Blue Coats.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/sixers_waive_isaiah_mobley_three_others/s1_17038_41069472
I didn't even realize Brobley went to camp with the 76ers. I am sure he ends up on the Blue Coats.
He def should try around. I think he should get a shot at an NBA roster
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Surprised he didn't try to go back to the Charge but maybe he sees no path to NBA minutes that way.ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/sixers_waive_isaiah_mobley_three_others/s1_17038_41069472
I didn't even realize Brobley went to camp with the 76ers. I am sure he ends up on the Blue Coats.
He def should try around. I think he should get a shot at an NBA roster
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Watching all these teams pay premiums to their guys coming off of rookie contracts makes me think we're going to struggle to dump Niang's contract.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:Watching all these teams pay premiums to their guys coming off of rookie contracts makes me think we're going to struggle to dump Niang's contract.
At this point, I think his place is contract filler in a bigger trade or waiting a year and being a salary dump for a rebuilding team.
Or he plays well for half a year and regains some value.
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ijspeelman wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Watching all these teams pay premiums to their guys coming off of rookie contracts makes me think we're going to struggle to dump Niang's contract.
At this point, I think his place is contract filler in a bigger trade or waiting a year and being a salary dump for a rebuilding team.
Or he plays well for half a year and regains some value.
Watching McDermott sign for the minimum was tough. I'm a fan of what Altman has done overall, but that signing was a miss, and going forward he really needs to ask whether guys can stay on the floor in the playoffs before paying anything over the minimum.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:ijspeelman wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Watching all these teams pay premiums to their guys coming off of rookie contracts makes me think we're going to struggle to dump Niang's contract.
At this point, I think his place is contract filler in a bigger trade or waiting a year and being a salary dump for a rebuilding team.
Or he plays well for half a year and regains some value.
Watching McDermott sign for the minimum was tough. I'm a fan of what Altman has done overall, but that signing was a miss, and going forward he really needs to ask whether guys can stay on the floor in the playoffs before paying anything over the minimum.
Agreed, but luckily its not a huge contract. We didn't pay him over 15mil/yr. It seemed like a fair price at the time
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ijspeelman wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Watching all these teams pay premiums to their guys coming off of rookie contracts makes me think we're going to struggle to dump Niang's contract.
At this point, I think his place is contract filler in a bigger trade or waiting a year and being a salary dump for a rebuilding team.
Or he plays well for half a year and regains some value.
Yes, I'd be happy if he just plays better for us. I won't waste my time sweating our cap number.
During the LeBron era we saw a lot of supposed shooters come in and not shoot very well for us, at least Niang knocked down 37% of his 3's.
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Boston is really putting it on the Knicks right now. The Knicks have a lot to figure out, but they might want to stop pinching into the paint to help when the end result is a wide open 3.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:Boston is really putting it on the Knicks right now. The Knicks have a lot to figure out, but they might want to stop pinching into the paint to help when the end result is a wide open 3.
The Knicks were really over-helping on Boston attacking KAT on the PNR. Looks like they really didn't want KAT to guard that action at all and it resulted in so many wide open threes. Cannot do much against the Celtics when they make 28 threes though
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Bronny and Sr just checked in together.
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That is wild the Celtics attempted 61 shots from beyond the arch vs the Knicks 30 attempts.ijspeelman wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Boston is really putting it on the Knicks right now. The Knicks have a lot to figure out, but they might want to stop pinching into the paint to help when the end result is a wide open 3.
The Knicks were really over-helping on Boston attacking KAT on the PNR. Looks like they really didn't want KAT to guard that action at all and it resulted in so many wide open threes. Cannot do much against the Celtics when they make 28 threes though
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jbk1234 wrote:Boston is really putting it on the Knicks right now. The Knicks have a lot to figure out, but they might want to stop pinching into the paint to help when the end result is a wide open 3.
The Knicks made some major changes, it might take them a minute.
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JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Boston is really putting it on the Knicks right now. The Knicks have a lot to figure out, but they might want to stop pinching into the paint to help when the end result is a wide open 3.
The Knicks made some major changes, it might take them a minute.
Some of what I'm watching is fixable, but Brunson as the only legitimate ball handler against a good defensive team is not.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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JonFromVA wrote:ijspeelman wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Watching all these teams pay premiums to their guys coming off of rookie contracts makes me think we're going to struggle to dump Niang's contract.
At this point, I think his place is contract filler in a bigger trade or waiting a year and being a salary dump for a rebuilding team.
Or he plays well for half a year and regains some value.
Yes, I'd be happy if he just plays better for us. I won't waste my time sweating our cap number.
During the LeBron era we saw a lot of supposed shooters come in and not shoot very well for us, at least Niang knocked down 37% of his 3's.
One postseason is also a pretty small sample.
Niang's major demerit in the playoffs wasn't even his defense, which you'd assume when drawing Banchero and Tatum as defensive assignments. His shooting fell off a cliff in ways that it hasn't in years past for him. His on/off was only -3.6, not good but not team-sinking. (Compare to Marcus Morris's -13.8 despite shooting well.)
It's possible he just hit a hard slump or had an undisclosed injury. He may yet be a contributor in next year's playoffs even if he shoots 30% on threes. Not that I wouldn't trade him, but sometimes things just don't work one year and start working the next year. We'll see.
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toooskies wrote:JonFromVA wrote:ijspeelman wrote:
At this point, I think his place is contract filler in a bigger trade or waiting a year and being a salary dump for a rebuilding team.
Or he plays well for half a year and regains some value.
Yes, I'd be happy if he just plays better for us. I won't waste my time sweating our cap number.
During the LeBron era we saw a lot of supposed shooters come in and not shoot very well for us, at least Niang knocked down 37% of his 3's.
One postseason is also a pretty small sample.
Niang's major demerit in the playoffs wasn't even his defense, which you'd assume when drawing Banchero and Tatum as defensive assignments. His shooting fell off a cliff in ways that it hasn't in years past for him. His on/off was only -3.6, not good but not team-sinking. (Compare to Marcus Morris's -13.8 despite shooting well.)
It's possible he just hit a hard slump or had an undisclosed injury. He may yet be a contributor in next year's playoffs even if he shoots 30% on threes. Not that I wouldn't trade him, but sometimes things just don't work one year and start working the next year. We'll see.
He was badly outplayed by JI and Celtics backups last postseason. In fact, he really struggled just to get his shot off against JI. His on/off looks a lot worse once you realize that Okoro and Morris were the only other options at the 4 after Allen went down and until Wade came back. I'm sure his +/- was pretty atrocious.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Boston is really putting it on the Knicks right now. The Knicks have a lot to figure out, but they might want to stop pinching into the paint to help when the end result is a wide open 3.
The Knicks made some major changes, it might take them a minute.
Some of what I'm watching is fixable, but Brunson as the only legitimate ball handler against a good defensive team is not.
Clearly they're expecting Bridges and Towns to help out, and they're also expecting McBride to contribute off the bench.
Windy's early impression is they may need a couple of trade cycles to fix their roster.
I've just seen too many weird things over the years to jump to conclusions as fun as it would be to bury the Knicks and laugh a their struggles. 20 games in is a good bench mark, but that's not always enough either if a team is struggling to implement a new system or integrate new players, or need some help they can only get at the trade deadline, etc.
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JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
The Knicks made some major changes, it might take them a minute.
Some of what I'm watching is fixable, but Brunson as the only legitimate ball handler against a good defensive team is not.
Clearly they're expecting Bridges and Towns to help out, and they're also expecting McBride to contribute off the bench.
Windy's early impression is they may need a couple of trade cycles to fix their roster.
I've just seen too many weird things over the years to jump to conclusions as fun as it would be to bury the Knicks and laugh a their struggles. 20 games in is a good bench mark, but that's not always enough either if a team is struggling to implement a new system or integrate new players, or need some help they can only get at the trade deadline, etc.
They can start McBride, and probably should in the playoffs, but I don't think OG at PF is ideal either.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:toooskies wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
Yes, I'd be happy if he just plays better for us. I won't waste my time sweating our cap number.
During the LeBron era we saw a lot of supposed shooters come in and not shoot very well for us, at least Niang knocked down 37% of his 3's.
One postseason is also a pretty small sample.
Niang's major demerit in the playoffs wasn't even his defense, which you'd assume when drawing Banchero and Tatum as defensive assignments. His shooting fell off a cliff in ways that it hasn't in years past for him. His on/off was only -3.6, not good but not team-sinking. (Compare to Marcus Morris's -13.8 despite shooting well.)
It's possible he just hit a hard slump or had an undisclosed injury. He may yet be a contributor in next year's playoffs even if he shoots 30% on threes. Not that I wouldn't trade him, but sometimes things just don't work one year and start working the next year. We'll see.
He was badly outplayed by JI and Celtics backups last postseason. In fact, he really struggled just to get his shot off against JI. His on/off looks a lot worse once you realize that Okoro and Morris were the only other options at the 4 after Allen went down and until Wade came back. I'm sure his +/- was pretty atrocious.
To be fair, Jonathan Isaac was one of the best defenders in the league statistically last year. 3rd in D-EPM. Plenty of good players struggled to get their shot off against him last year.
Okoro's on/off was +5.8 and Wade's was -7.5 (but he only got to play the Celtics while recovering from injury).
In raw +/-, Niang was once again behind Okoro but ahead of Wade and Morris.
My argument here isn't that Niang was particularly good or anything, just that everything outside of his shot was going well enough that even with his shooting he wasn't an anchor pulling the rest of the team down, statistically. (I'd have to look at what minutes he played in garbage time to get a clearer picture though.)
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jb's first game as DET head coach has a similar story. Blows a big lead late and runs his starters into the ground, good riddance.