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Post#21 » by Bourne85 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:19 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:I might be wrong, But I think a significant part of the fan base kinds checked out when we didn't pull any major moves this off season.

To be honest it does feel a bit anti-climatic - this sort of running it back stronger them, but I honestly think that we have just enough fresh blood and inner growth to get me hyped.

Rozier with a full training camp,
Herro jacked and more focused,
Jovic breaking out,
Bam with a 3 ball,
Jamie more comfortable,
Larsson and Ware potential,

It could be a very good fun season if things break right.


What funny is that about 8 years ago, this room was clamouring for having a trio that was gonna last a long time and not have a trio that is only here for three years. There was a lot of complaints about Riley always going after the big name player for short term success and not having a core for the long term. The whole Spurs do it right group. I believe that group was also that loud group against the idea of trading for Butler. The Heat given those fans what they want. The Heat have been reloading around Herro, Bam and Butler for five years. Been to two NBA finals and One conference finals around the core of Bam, Butler and Herro. The fourth teir go-too player has been in reloading rotation; Nunn, Dragic, Oladipo, Lowry and now Rozier. The Heat have reloaded from Crowder, Iguadala, Tucker, Martin to Highsmith. The Heat have reloaded Olynyk, Leonard to Jovic. Whats new to the equation is Jamie and possibly Parsson and Ware.


I’m still here, haven’t posted much of anything during the off-season. Checked out? Sort of, we didn’t do anything lol. We lost more guys like Caleb, gave a raise to Highsmith etc. Was totally against the Scary Terry trade. The guy is an inefficient “scorer” just like Herro.

We didn’t just want any trio to grow with but have the correct trio, or right mix of trio. Herro isn’t it, he’s just another inefficient “scorer”. The Heat are trying to contend and get guys in the draft at the same time and that simply doesn’t work. You have to COMMIT to a rebuild. To a multi year tank. Grab a couple top 3 picks and then go from there. And we simply haven’t done that since we landed Wade. We keep overpaying mediocre guys and going for a very unrealistic title with our 2 best players in Jimmy and Bam.

This year will be no different imo. Another 6th-play in slot. 1st or possible 2nd round exit. The top teams in the east are all on paper far superior than our squad. Most of them got better while we have stagnated. I hope that after this season we can finally start a rebuild, but I’m sure the heat will do the wrong move and pay Jimmy a max and continue on with these unrealistic expectations, mostly to put butts in the seats and sell tickets. We fear a rebuild because Mickey knows the fans will stop showing up, hence stop putting $$$ in his pockets.
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Post#22 » by twix2500 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:44 pm

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Post#23 » by MHeat0279 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:32 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:I might be wrong, But I think a significant part of the fan base kinds checked out when we didn't pull any major moves this off season.

To be honest it does feel a bit anti-climatic - this sort of running it back stronger them, but I honestly think that we have just enough fresh blood and inner growth to get me hyped.

Rozier with a full training camp,
Herro jacked and more focused,
Jovic breaking out,
Bam with a 3 ball,
Jamie more comfortable,
Larsson and Ware potential,

It could be a very good fun season if things break right.


We are all in hiding waiting for the season to start so we can bother Bammy until no end
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Post#24 » by MiamiSun » Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:37 pm

To be honest, I am more tired of these type of comments than I am of this team. Who have they actually had the opportunity to get? Cronin wouldn't talk to us, KD was a pipe dream. The only one that might have been a possibility was Harden.

As it is, this franchise never finishes the year with the same players it started the season with. Making a judgement on the year right now is silly. Just grab some popcorn and get ready for a season that's going to be a wild ride. I am ready.



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twix2500 wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:I might be wrong, But I think a significant part of the fan base kinds checked out when we didn't pull any major moves this off season.

To be honest it does feel a bit anti-climatic - this sort of running it back stronger them, but I honestly think that we have just enough fresh blood and inner growth to get me hyped.

Rozier with a full training camp,
Herro jacked and more focused,
Jovic breaking out,
Bam with a 3 ball,
Jamie more comfortable,
Larsson and Ware potential,

It could be a very good fun season if things break right.


What funny is that about 8 years ago, this room was clamouring for having a trio that was gonna last a long time and not have a trio that is only here for three years. There was a lot of complaints about Riley always going after the big name player for short term success and not having a core for the long term. The whole Spurs do it right group. I believe that group was also that loud group against the idea of trading for Butler. The Heat given those fans what they want. The Heat have been reloading around Herro, Bam and Butler for five years. Been to two NBA finals and One conference finals around the core of Bam, Butler and Herro. The fourth teir go-too player has been in reloading rotation; Nunn, Dragic, Oladipo, Lowry and now Rozier. The Heat have reloaded from Crowder, Iguadala, Tucker, Martin to Highsmith. The Heat have reloaded Olynyk, Leonard to Jovic. Whats new to the equation is Jamie and possibly Parsson and Ware.


I’m still here, haven’t posted much of anything during the off-season. Checked out? Sort of, we didn’t do anything lol. We lost more guys like Caleb, gave a raise to Highsmith etc. Was totally against the Scary Terry trade. The guy is an inefficient “scorer” just like Herro.

We didn’t just want any trio to grow with but have the correct trio, or right mix of trio. Herro isn’t it, he’s just another inefficient “scorer”. The Heat are trying to contend and get guys in the draft at the same time and that simply doesn’t work. You have to COMMIT to a rebuild. To a multi year tank. Grab a couple top 3 picks and then go from there. And we simply haven’t done that since we landed Wade. We keep overpaying mediocre guys and going for a very unrealistic title with our 2 best players in Jimmy and Bam.

This year will be no different imo. Another 6th-play in slot. 1st or possible 2nd round exit. The top teams in the east are all on paper far superior than our squad. Most of them got better while we have stagnated. I hope that after this season we can finally start a rebuild, but I’m sure the heat will do the wrong move and pay Jimmy a max and continue on with these unrealistic expectations, mostly to put butts in the seats and sell tickets. We fear a rebuild because Mickey knows the fans will stop showing up, hence stop putting $$$ in his pockets.
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Post#25 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:44 pm

I am in regardless of what happens. Lets go HEAT!!!
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Post#26 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:54 pm

MHeat0279 wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:I might be wrong, But I think a significant part of the fan base kinds checked out when we didn't pull any major moves this off season.

To be honest it does feel a bit anti-climatic - this sort of running it back stronger them, but I honestly think that we have just enough fresh blood and inner growth to get me hyped.

Rozier with a full training camp,
Herro jacked and more focused,
Jovic breaking out,
Bam with a 3 ball,
Jamie more comfortable,
Larsson and Ware potential,

It could be a very good fun season if things break right.


We are all in hiding waiting for the season to start so we can bother Bammy until no end


Just remember my friend, you and everyone else were wrong the whole time :nod:
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Post#27 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:08 pm

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Oh so it isn't a Heat exclusive thing as they said with Ainge lol. I wonder what the bastard wanted from GS
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Post#28 » by AirP. » Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:51 pm

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Oh so it isn't a Heat exclusive thing as they said with Ainge lol. I wonder what the bastard wanted from GS


Since Markkanen's contract was only 18 mil (before the extension) the idea was getting Markkanen and then doing some type of S&T for George or clear cap space to outright sign him for the max number of years (maybe not give him the max). Neither side was really all that serious trying to make a trade, I kept hearing about GS trying to get Markkanen for basically nothing.

It was a way to rebuild outside of the draft and then probably reset the franchise by trading Markkanen for assets at the end of the run with Curry, Green and George. This is the same franchise that had 3 lottery picks (1 being the #2 pick) and basically wasting nearly all those picks (Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody), why wouldn't you just go all in after that huge screwup with the chance at winning another championship?

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Post#29 » by MorbidHEAT » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:24 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:I might be wrong, But I think a significant part of the fan base kinds checked out when we didn't pull any major moves this off season.

To be honest it does feel a bit anti-climatic - this sort of running it back stronger them, but I honestly think that we have just enough fresh blood and inner growth to get me hyped.

Rozier with a full training camp,
Herro jacked and more focused,
Jovic breaking out,
Bam with a 3 ball,
Jamie more comfortable,
Larsson and Ware potential,

It could be a very good fun season if things break right.


I just checked out for the summer.

So is Rozier, Herro, Butler, Jovic, and Bam the starting 5? Thats the one I want.
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Post#30 » by Wiltside » Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:42 am

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RexBoyWonder wrote:I might be wrong, But I think a significant part of the fan base kinds checked out when we didn't pull any major moves this off season.

To be honest it does feel a bit anti-climatic - this sort of running it back stronger them, but I honestly think that we have just enough fresh blood and inner growth to get me hyped.

Rozier with a full training camp,
Herro jacked and more focused,
Jovic breaking out,
Bam with a 3 ball,
Jamie more comfortable,
Larsson and Ware potential,

It could be a very good fun season if things break right.


I just checked out for the summer.

So is Rozier, Herro, Butler, Jovic, and Bam the starting 5? Thats the one I want.


That does appear to be the starting 5.

There's a couple of positive developments there though:

- Bam and Jovic creating shots
- Bam spacing the floor. 3 ball looking like a legit weapon this year.
- Butler also appears willing to shoot.
- Herro playing more off ball, catch and shoot.
- Playing at a higher pace; threes and layups the focus

If we can defend at a high level and keep playing at our pace, we should do OK. Continuity hopefully...finally...pays off.
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Post#31 » by Bmaster » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:48 pm

Like to see ware being involved early in season. He is better than love and Thomas Bryant
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Post#32 » by contract » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:57 am

My way too early '24-'25 overreaction:

Jimmy wanted what? :roll:
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Post#33 » by _GH0ST_ » Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:48 am

contract wrote:My way too early '24-'25 overreaction:

Jimmy wanted what? :roll:

I don't want to scapegoat him because of the first game but he looked pretty bad in the preseason too. We don't expect him to spend the entire regular season in playoff mode but come on man...

If he continues like this no one will give him a max and he will accept the player option and we will have a bad contract for 1 year. He needs to be traded before he looks even worse.

Tanking for a year seems like a good idea. 2025 class is pretty solid. Trade him to Warriors for Podz or Kuminga and 2025 GSW FRP. Or continue to be a play-in team and pray for Jimmy to care.
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Post#34 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm

Talked all offseason about moving Bam to the 4 spot and yet we are running Jovic and Highsmith still at the 4 spot. Jovic is a mirage of a good fit next to Bam
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Post#35 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:14 pm

Blow this chit up and just build this around Bam. Get him an enforcer at the 4 or 5 spot and a real PG to get him and Ware easy baskets. Draft Cooper Flagg next year.
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Post#36 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:41 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Blow this chit up and just build this around Bam. Get him an enforcer at the 4 or 5 spot and a real PG to get him and Ware easy baskets. Draft Cooper Flagg next year.


I know this is sure to activate somebody but I'm just going to say it anyway, building around Bam is like the 2014 Hawks saying they're going to build around Al Horford. I mean yea you can do it, and you can have a really good regular season team but you're not going to win it all.

I don't want to caste too many aspersions over game 1, but if there's any fundamental flaw in this core it isn't the fit of the surrounding pieces per se, it's that the two centerpieces are guys that just cant go get it every night. They don't have a natural scorer's mentality, if we look at the teams that finished top 4 in the East last year - none of them have this burden with their top 2 players. That's why we had the hots for the Lillards, Mitchells and KDs of the world, because we know these guys arent it. Jimmy can tap into superstar mode on occasion, and honestly thats what propelled our deep playoff runs. It wasn't a 2 man show dragging the team, it was "look, we actually have a superstar" and that makes a world of difference in May.

1 game into a long season, so there is plenty of time for them to shift the narrative but from my view thats where we stand.
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Post#37 » by AirP. » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:24 pm

Fans need to be questioning the FO. It's crazy to have Butler and Bam take you to the finals in 2020, with a talented rookie in Herro on the roster and then live off of developing players nobody else wanted in the next 5 off seasons while spending 5 1st round picks (drafted Precious, Jovic, Jaquez Jr, Ware, traded 1 Rozier) to be where Miami currently is talent wise.

I expect Butler and Bam to figure it out (to be good in this offense), but really, look around the roster, look at what the FO has put around them in half a decade, it's laughable while also putting the owner in the tax 2 seasons in a row. It's a mess and I don't know why anyone would be good with being horrible on purpose for a rebuild, what has the FO shown you in the last decade to say yeah... it'll work when they were given 2 studs in 2020 and 5 off seasons and 5 1st round picks later haven't really upgraded the players around them?
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Post#38 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:32 pm

Our stars shouldn’t be trying to fit in to the offense, the offense needs to be sitting in around them. Banchero and Wagner were trying to fit in, they were involved in every action making plays or scoring. Their team was finding mismatches for them (Herro/Rozier) and taking advantage of it like you’re supposed to do. We had our stars parked in the corner
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Post#39 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:33 pm

We have **** schemes and disguise it as “Heat Culture we do things different around here”
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Post#40 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:34 pm

Bam is volume and/or a good playmaker away from averaging 25 a night.

But ok got my posts in, I honestly don’t give a fuxk which is why I couldn’t do anything but laugh watching that **** show and seeing our hierarchy. I had a feeling it was going to be more of the same post Rozier trade stuff we saw last year. Bam is our 4th option and we’ve neutered arguably our best player yet again. If he regresses this season in status he just needs to do what’s best for his career/legacy and ask for a trade, tired of watching him defer to lesser players for the sake of scheme
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