Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0

[Stromile12]

I'm a fan of the Jalen Johnson contract.

[HumbleRen]

Interesting to see the takes on Suggs. I'm a big fan. He has a spot in the backcourt on a contending team. I'm not so sure of that with IQ.

I'd much rather IQ than Suggs, Infact IQ would take Orlando to another level imo. IQ has the shooting and creating that Orlando is missing.

Suggs is the key to their defence though.

His POA defence is what helps them be a top 5 defence.

IQ needs to raise up his volume and maintain efficiency.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

suggs has performed better against NBA starters than Quickley ever has while being 2 years younger and at an age where significant development is more likely to occur

quickley needs to prove he can carve up nba starters

his ast:to is very promising but he now needs to prove he can maintain a level of efficiency against the big boys

[Tripod]

The Barnes comments are confusing.

His contract is based on growth/potential? It is? Yes he has LOTS of improving he can still do...only a fool would think he is a finished product.

But he also has already DELIVERED under his rookie contract. Even though he was deemed "long term project" compared to others, he delivered the ROTY trophies and is the only All Star from his draft class. He has EARNED his Max contract...simple as that.

And remember, some of the guys on shorter deals might get to bigger money quicker based on how they play.

And as for Barnes, all of us should be happy that he is already so good and yet has LOTS of improvements he can make to his game. Let's see how he continues to grow.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

The Barnes comments are confusing.

His contract is based on growth/potential? It is? Yes he has LOTS of improving he can still do...only a fool would think he is a finished product.

But he also has already DELIVERED under his rookie contract. Even though he was deemed "long term project" compared to others, he delivered the ROTY trophies and is the only All Star from his draft class. He has EARNED his Max contract...simple as that.

And remember, some of the guys on shorter deals might get to bigger money quicker based on how they play.

And as for Barnes, all of us should be happy that he is already so good and yet has LOTS of improvements he can make to his game. Let's see how he continues to grow.

barnes' contract is completely normal and well deserved

at its peak we will be paying him as if he's the 15th or so best player in the league

it's a jump that in all likelihood will be made (he's already not so far away) and he will probably outplay the value of that contract over its first 4 years

[Wise80]

Interesting to see the takes on Suggs. I'm a big fan. He has a spot in the backcourt on a contending team. I'm not so sure of that with IQ.

I'd much rather IQ than Suggs, Infact IQ would take Orlando to another level imo. IQ has the shooting and creating that Orlando is missing.

Suggs is the key to their defence though.

His POA defence is what helps them be a top 5 defence.

IQ needs to raise up his volume and maintain efficiency.

Yep. I don't think he gets there. To the point where he is the number 1 or 2 option on a very good team. Suggs with his d and intangibles makes a way better number 3 or 4 option.

I also understand this is the Raps board. but I haven't heard the argument that IQ being 2 years older is better lmao.

We have a strange hate for the magic on this board. I'd love to be in there position. They're ready to take the next step imo.

[OakleyDokely]

suggs has performed better against NBA starters than Quickley ever has while being 2 years younger and at an age where significant development is more likely to occur

quickley needs to prove he can carve up nba starters

his ast:to is very promising but he now needs to prove he can maintain a level of efficiency against the big boys

As a starter:

22/23:
IQ: 21 GMS, 38.6 MINS, 22.6 PPG, 5.5 REB, 5.1 AST, .469 FG, .406 3PT, .773 FT
JS: 19 GMS, 27.4 MINS, 12.1 PPG, 3.7 REB, 4.4 AST, .434 FG, .341 3PT, .700 FT

23/24:
IQ: 38 GMS, 33.3 MINS, 18.6 PPG, 4.8 REB, 6.8 AST, .422 FG, .395 3PT, .841 FT
JS: 75 GMS, 27.0 MINS, 12.6 PPG, 3.1 REB, 2.7 AST, .471 FG, .397 3PT, .756 FT


IQ has actually performed very well as a starter with two different teams now, displaying a much better all-around game when starting compared to when he came off the bench in NY.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

suggs has performed better against NBA starters than Quickley ever has while being 2 years younger and at an age where significant development is more likely to occur

quickley needs to prove he can carve up nba starters

his ast:to is very promising but he now needs to prove he can maintain a level of efficiency against the big boys

As a starter:

22/23:
IQ: 21 GMS, 38.6 MINS, 22.6 PPG, 5.5 REB, 5.1 AST, .469 FG, .406 3PT, .773 FT
JS: 19 GMS, 27.4 MINS, 12.1 PPG, 3.7 REB, 4.4 AST, .434 FG, .341 3PT, .700 FT

23/24:
IQ: 38 GMS, 33.3 MINS, 18.6 PPG, 4.8 REB, 6.8 AST, .422 FG, .395 3PT, .841 FT
JS: 75 GMS, 27.0 MINS, 12.6 PPG, 3.1 REB, 2.7 AST, .471 FG, .397 3PT, .756 FT


IQ has actually performed very well as a starter with two different teams now, displaying a much better all-around game when starting compared to when he came off the bench in NY.

Defense is a thing and I stand by my claim besides it being irrelevant when you factor age in because of how undeniable the production relative to age advantage is in Suggs' favor

[OakleyDokely]

suggs has performed better against NBA starters than Quickley ever has while being 2 years younger and at an age where significant development is more likely to occur

quickley needs to prove he can carve up nba starters

his ast:to is very promising but he now needs to prove he can maintain a level of efficiency against the big boys

As a starter:

22/23:
IQ: 21 GMS, 38.6 MINS, 22.6 PPG, 5.5 REB, 5.1 AST, .469 FG, .406 3PT, .773 FT
JS: 19 GMS, 27.4 MINS, 12.1 PPG, 3.7 REB, 4.4 AST, .434 FG, .341 3PT, .700 FT

23/24:
IQ: 38 GMS, 33.3 MINS, 18.6 PPG, 4.8 REB, 6.8 AST, .422 FG, .395 3PT, .841 FT
JS: 75 GMS, 27.0 MINS, 12.6 PPG, 3.1 REB, 2.7 AST, .471 FG, .397 3PT, .756 FT


IQ has actually performed very well as a starter with two different teams now, displaying a much better all-around game when starting compared to when he came off the bench in NY.

Defense is a thing and I stand by my claim besides it being irrelevant when you factor age in because of how undeniable the production relative to age advantage is in Suggs' favor

Suggs is definitely the better defender, but he also has a much smaller offensive load to carry so he can put a lot more energy on the defensive side of the ball. Suggs is basically a spot up shooter at this point in his career as he doesn't get to the line much, nor is he much of a playmaker or offensive creator. He's purely a 3+D role player who plays off the magic's best players.

[Los_29]

suggs has performed better against NBA starters than Quickley ever has while being 2 years younger and at an age where significant development is more likely to occur

quickley needs to prove he can carve up nba starters

his ast:to is very promising but he now needs to prove he can maintain a level of efficiency against the big boys

IQ as a starter in his career has averaged 20/5/6 with a TS% of 57.5. Suggs as a starter has averaged 12/3/3 with a TS% of 53.5%. Suggs did post a TS% of 60% last year though which is very encouraging. However, that’s on very low volume and he’s a bad playmaker at the point guard position and generally just not a good offensive player.

The talk about IQ in NY was always about how well he performed as a starter.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

As a starter:

22/23:
IQ: 21 GMS, 38.6 MINS, 22.6 PPG, 5.5 REB, 5.1 AST, .469 FG, .406 3PT, .773 FT
JS: 19 GMS, 27.4 MINS, 12.1 PPG, 3.7 REB, 4.4 AST, .434 FG, .341 3PT, .700 FT

23/24:
IQ: 38 GMS, 33.3 MINS, 18.6 PPG, 4.8 REB, 6.8 AST, .422 FG, .395 3PT, .841 FT
JS: 75 GMS, 27.0 MINS, 12.6 PPG, 3.1 REB, 2.7 AST, .471 FG, .397 3PT, .756 FT


IQ has actually performed very well as a starter with two different teams now, displaying a much better all-around game when starting compared to when he came off the bench in NY.

Defense is a thing and I stand by my claim besides it being irrelevant when you factor age in because of how undeniable the production relative to age advantage is in Suggs' favor

Suggs is definitely the better defender, but he also has a much smaller offensive load to carry so he can put a lot more energy on the defensive side of the ball. Suggs is basically a spot up shooter at this point in his career as he doesn't get to the line much, nor is he much of a playmaker or offensive creator. He's purely a 3+D role player who plays off the magic's best players.

My big issue with quickley has been the low percentage takes from 2. When the floater isn't falling it's ugly and a lot of his assists come from when he gets to a point in the paint where he knows he cant finish so he either floats it or passes and it's generally a poor situation to find himself in just because other guys have more options in those situations (getting to rack, drawing contact, more efficient mid range shot)

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

suggs has performed better against NBA starters than Quickley ever has while being 2 years younger and at an age where significant development is more likely to occur

quickley needs to prove he can carve up nba starters

his ast:to is very promising but he now needs to prove he can maintain a level of efficiency against the big boys

IQ as a starter in his career has averaged 20/5/6 with a TS% of 57.5. Suggs as a starter has averaged 12/3/3 with a TS% of 53.5%. Suggs did post a TS% of 60% last year though which is very encouraging. However, that’s on very low volume and he’s a bad playmaker at the point guard position and generally just not a good offensive player.

The talk about IQ in NY was always about how well he performed as a starter.

Iq also seems to be very synergistic with barrett and it might not be a good thing

Trainwreck early playoff returns too but i dont hold that against him that much

[OakleyDokely]

Defense is a thing and I stand by my claim besides it being irrelevant when you factor age in because of how undeniable the production relative to age advantage is in Suggs' favor

Suggs is definitely the better defender, but he also has a much smaller offensive load to carry so he can put a lot more energy on the defensive side of the ball. Suggs is basically a spot up shooter at this point in his career as he doesn't get to the line much, nor is he much of a playmaker or offensive creator. He's purely a 3+D role player who plays off the magic's best players.

My big issue with quickley has been the low percentage takes from 2. When the floater isn't falling it's ugly and a lot of his assists come from when he gets to a point in the paint where he knows he cant finish so he either floats it or passes and it's generally a poor situation to find himself in just because other guys have more options in those situations (getting to rack, drawing contact, more efficient mid range shot)

ya, the floater was highly effective in NY, but it tailed off in TOR for whatever reason. He still got to the line though, averaged 4 attempts per game with TOR.

I still believe the key for him is upping the 3pt attempts. He needs to be around 10 per game.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Suggs is definitely the better defender, but he also has a much smaller offensive load to carry so he can put a lot more energy on the defensive side of the ball. Suggs is basically a spot up shooter at this point in his career as he doesn't get to the line much, nor is he much of a playmaker or offensive creator. He's purely a 3+D role player who plays off the magic's best players.

My big issue with quickley has been the low percentage takes from 2. When the floater isn't falling it's ugly and a lot of his assists come from when he gets to a point in the paint where he knows he cant finish so he either floats it or passes and it's generally a poor situation to find himself in just because other guys have more options in those situations (getting to rack, drawing contact, more efficient mid range shot)

ya, the floater was highly effective in NY, but it tailed off in TOR for whatever reason. He still got to the line though, averaged 4 attempts per game with TOR.

I still believe the key for him is upping the 3pt attempts. He needs to be around 10 per game.

yes if he manages to eliminate a couple of floaters and replaces them with 3s that will help his TS%

but in terms of taking those 2 pt shots because he operates with the ball so much and drives it, it seems like he doesn't have options other than floater or pass

and then there's the fact he isn't an event creator when it comes to ORB or stocks (2.1 combined per 100)

his only out in my opinion is as you said to really become an ultra high volume 3 point chucker (7.9/36 looking at the leaderboard no reason he can't get up to 9.5+/36 with how much he has the ball and the green light) who plays clean basketball as a secondary facilitator (limits errors makes good reads) and does whatever he can as a technical defender (which he grades decently in) to make up for the lack of event creation. there's not a lot of margin for error if he wants to be the type of guy you can win big games with as a 3rd (and some nights 2nd) scoring option.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

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[GIZMO]

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Knicks getting destroyed.

[DemHeavyHands]

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[NinjaBro]

Bridges has been a disaster. Knicks fans panicking, you hate to see it.

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[Pointgod]

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[MainEvent]

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