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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#341 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:27 pm

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This certainly sucks. But Aiyuk has been much more of a detriment than an asset this season, so it could be worse. The worst ripple effect of this might be now Ronnie Bell not only will keep his roster spot but he's probably going to actually see more snaps now. Gross

Hopefully Jennings can continue his ascension, and Pearsall/Cowing start to emerge.


I don't know if that's true. If nothing else, he draws coverage attention. Without him to at least threaten the deeper part of the field, this offense could bog down big-time. It could be back to the days of Jimmy throwing everything within 10 yards of the LOS.

They desperately need something from Cowing and Pearsall.


Yeah there is something to be said for Defenses having to roll coverages over to Aiyuk. But man, that guy just wasn't him this season. He committed several game changing drops. And just generally seemed out of sync. He didn't really show much hunger or energy out there.

I'm hoping that since Cowing is now on tape showing the ability to get open behind a good defense, maybe that will allow him to run some clear out type routes and maybe open some things up. Perhaps might even be able to hit him on a couple of them to keep defenses honest.


Yeah. Cowing has to be on the field to keep defenses honest. He's been sitting behind Bell most of the time, even in this game.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#342 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:49 pm

arich35 wrote:Cowing got two chances yesterday and succeeded both times, he needs to get more snaps, he can actually extend the defense


He did slip and fall on a ball that was almost picked in the endzone. But he's easily shown enough to get snaps over Bell.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#343 » by wco81 » Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:57 pm

Well at least Aiyuk's injury was relatively early in the season, so he should be ready by the start of next season.

He was kind of sandwiched on the play but it looked like he was hit in the upper body, not the lower body so surprised he tore his knee.

Though when a team says "suspects" an ACL, they can tell on the field right away. They just move the lower leg and see how the knee moves in relation. MRI confirms but experienced trainers know.

I never got an MRI when I tore my knee. My regular doctor, not even an orthopedist, did that exam before referring me to an orthopedist. They still have you get X-rays to see if they can see other signs of damage.

They usually can't tell if you have a bad meniscus tear until they scope it. I didn't have a tear.

I recovered okay and had about 20 years of still playing basketball afterwards. However, it's been 30-35 years now and there some osteoarthritis in that knee -- my other knee is fine -- that prevents me from really doing anything more strenuous than a light jog without it swelling up and getting sore.

But BA is still in his early 20s and have the best doctors, plus he can go full-time rehab and should be back by next fall.

I recall Jerry Rice, he came back fast though I think he hurt it again or wasn't fully himself for another season.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#344 » by arich35 » Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:54 pm

Deebo is in the hospital with Pneumonia. Don't know when he will be able to play, great.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#345 » by zman1 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:57 am

arich35 wrote:Cowing got two chances yesterday and succeeded both times, he needs to get more snaps, he can actually extend the defense
How about some jet sweeps with him Kyle?

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#346 » by zman1 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:05 am

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I don't know if that's true. If nothing else, he draws coverage attention. Without him to at least threaten the deeper part of the field, this offense could bog down big-time. It could be back to the days of Jimmy throwing everything within 10 yards of the LOS.

They desperately need something from Cowing and Pearsall.


Yeah there is something to be said for Defenses having to roll coverages over to Aiyuk. But man, that guy just wasn't him this season. He committed several game changing drops. And just generally seemed out of sync. He didn't really show much hunger or energy out there.

I'm hoping that since Cowing is now on tape showing the ability to get open behind a good defense, maybe that will allow him to run some clear out type routes and maybe open some things up. Perhaps might even be able to hit him on a couple of them to keep defenses honest.


Yeah. Cowing has to be on the field to keep defenses honest. He's been sitting behind Bell most of the time, even in this game.
I heard Rich Gannon confirm that on the radio today. He said that Rod Woodson told him that if the offense doesn't at least try a couple deep shots, they are giving the db's a day off. I am not sure Kyle recognizes that concept.

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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#347 » by arich35 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:23 am

Didn't hear anything about Jennings today. Kittle sprained his foot
Could be without; CMC, Aiyuk, Deebo, Jennings, & Kittle on Sunday.

Finally get to go see a game (traveling across the country) and this is what I get. Figures
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#348 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:36 pm

So one thing I wanted to focus on after this game. It's something I've raised previously, but something that became even more glaring this week as there's a stark contrast with the Chiefs.

All this year, as their OTs have struggled and they have been hurting for WRs, the Chiefs have relied on shorter passes and really designed things to maximize YAC, minimize Mahomes' time with the ball in his hands, but still give him the option to get out of the pocket and make big plays with his arm or legs. Mahomes can make (some) plays with Noah Gray as his leading target because the offense and playcalling are helping him out.

I know the Niners can maximize a short-passing game as they did it under Jimmy, but we haven't been doing it at all with Brock. I'm not entirely sure if that's him or the coaching, though clearly the design of the offense has changed since Brock has been QB. We are running much less play-action, a lot more drop-back game, which typically is not a strength. It seems like we're putting our QB in a tough situation.

Contributing to this is the fact that our WRs aren't really diverse. I think several of them could be, other than Deebo (and Bell, who I'm not counting), who is limited as a true WR. But Aiyuk has the tools to play any WR spot. Jennings can play any spot. I think Pearsall can, and probably Cowing. But it seems like instead of doing that, we just put Aiyuk at split end, Deebo at flanker, and Jennings in the slot, and then each of those guys has a backup. We don't use these guys creatively, we don't move them around the formation. And when we lose someone like Deebo, we don't really have anyone else who can do the things he does and the offense can stagnate.

I love Deebo, what he has done for this team, and how he plays with the ball in his hands (though I hate how he plays without it in his hands most of the time). But I think he's the easiest thing to pinpoint in terms of holding the team's offensive development back. We're too easy to defend. Man Deebo. Double Aiyuk. Get pressure up the middle against Brendel and Banks. I could design an effective defense. Kyle has to find a way to adjust and quickly.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#349 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:33 pm

I really hate to celebrate injuries, but Godwin and Evans both got hurt this week. That game coming out of the bye is huge for us - if we can beat the Cowboys - so not hoping for season-ending injuries, but I would not mind playing that team without those guys.

Update: Looks like Godwin will be out for a while, possibly the season. Evans tougher to say, but even a moderately serious hamstring strain could certainly knock him out for two or three weeks.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#350 » by arich35 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:54 pm

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This guy has posted a couple videos of how bad the protection was on some blitzes. Chiefs only bring 5 but get through easily, the offensive line just can't pick up who is coming.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#351 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:18 pm

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This guy has posted a couple videos of how bad the protection was on some blitzes. Chiefs only bring 5 but get through easily, the offensive line just can't pick up who is coming.


Yeah, our blitz pickup has been shaky at best. One of many things we really need to address if we're going to make any meaningful run this year.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#352 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:28 pm

For some reason, it's only just striking me that all three other NFC West teams won this week. Ugh. What a disaster.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#353 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:32 pm

wco81 wrote:Well at least Aiyuk's injury was relatively early in the season, so he should be ready by the start of next season.

He was kind of sandwiched on the play but it looked like he was hit in the upper body, not the lower body so surprised he tore his knee.

Though when a team says "suspects" an ACL, they can tell on the field right away. They just move the lower leg and see how the knee moves in relation. MRI confirms but experienced trainers know.

I never got an MRI when I tore my knee. My regular doctor, not even an orthopedist, did that exam before referring me to an orthopedist. They still have you get X-rays to see if they can see other signs of damage.

They usually can't tell if you have a bad meniscus tear until they scope it. I didn't have a tear.

I recovered okay and had about 20 years of still playing basketball afterwards. However, it's been 30-35 years now and there some osteoarthritis in that knee -- my other knee is fine -- that prevents me from really doing anything more strenuous than a light jog without it swelling up and getting sore.

But BA is still in his early 20s and have the best doctors, plus he can go full-time rehab and should be back by next fall.

I recall Jerry Rice, he came back fast though I think he hurt it again or wasn't fully himself for another season.


Jerry Rice was older when he experienced those knee injuries. While he did come back to be productive, he never quite looked the same to me. Prior to the injury he was still blowing past people and taking the opposing team's best DB with him and taking on double teams. After the injury he just didn't look as quick and wasn't beating people like he used to. He was productive with the Raiders where Brown was the #1 and it took some pressure off of him
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#354 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:34 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:For some reason, it's only just striking me that all three other NFC West teams won this week. Ugh. What a disaster.

I really don't have much hope for this season. A super bowl losing curse this year with all the injuries. The only small positive thing out of this is rookies like Pearsall and Cowling should get much more playing experience this year. If they are NFL caliber they will be better for the experience next season.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#355 » by 49er4life1979 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:03 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:For some reason, it's only just striking me that all three other NFC West teams won this week. Ugh. What a disaster.

I really don't have much hope for this season. A super bowl losing curse this year with all the injuries. The only small positive thing out of this is rookies like Pearsall and Cowling should get much more playing experience this year. If they are NFL caliber they will be better for the experience next season.


I think a loss to Dallas and then Tampa ends the season for us. The next two games are crucial. Rookie class has looked good so far - Puni, Mustapha, Renardo. Those 3 have really stood out and been very good. If Pearsall and Cowing start producing it will bode very well for the future. Mustapha has already made Hufanga expendable next year imo. Oh and if Guerendo improves his vision on inside runs it will be a home run class. And if Brock doesnt quite warrant a $60 million dollar contract but instead say $45-50 million, that leaves more money for guys like Lenoir who definitely needs to be kept.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#356 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:59 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:For some reason, it's only just striking me that all three other NFC West teams won this week. Ugh. What a disaster.

I really don't have much hope for this season. A super bowl losing curse this year with all the injuries. The only small positive thing out of this is rookies like Pearsall and Cowling should get much more playing experience this year. If they are NFL caliber they will be better for the experience next season.


I think a loss to Dallas and then Tampa ends the season for us. The next two games are crucial. Rookie class has looked good so far - Puni, Mustapha, Renardo. Those 3 have really stood out and been very good. If Pearsall and Cowing start producing it will bode very well for the future. Mustapha has already made Hufanga expendable next year imo. Oh and if Guerendo improves his vision on inside runs it will be a home run class. And if Brock doesnt quite warrant a $60 million dollar contract but instead say $45-50 million, that leaves more money for guys like Lenoir who definitely needs to be kept.


Yeah, if we lose the next two, we're done. We still have to play Buffalo, Detroit, Green Bay, Chicago. Hard to see us winning all of those the way the team has looked to date this year.

My hope, if we do miss the playoffs, is that Ulbrich gets fired by the Jets, we bring him in as DC, crush some relatively high picks in the draft, shed some pricey contracts and buy ourselves a few more competitive years. I still think we re-sign Purdy, but he's not getting that $60 million at this point without a serious playoff run.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#357 » by thesack12 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:31 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:So one thing I wanted to focus on after this game. It's something I've raised previously, but something that became even more glaring this week as there's a stark contrast with the Chiefs.

All this year, as their OTs have struggled and they have been hurting for WRs, the Chiefs have relied on shorter passes and really designed things to maximize YAC, minimize Mahomes' time with the ball in his hands, but still give him the option to get out of the pocket and make big plays with his arm or legs. Mahomes can make (some) plays with Noah Gray as his leading target because the offense and playcalling are helping him out.

I know the Niners can maximize a short-passing game as they did it under Jimmy, but we haven't been doing it at all with Brock. I'm not entirely sure if that's him or the coaching, though clearly the design of the offense has changed since Brock has been QB. We are running much less play-action, a lot more drop-back game, which typically is not a strength. It seems like we're putting our QB in a tough situation.

Contributing to this is the fact that our WRs aren't really diverse. I think several of them could be, other than Deebo (and Bell, who I'm not counting), who is limited as a true WR. But Aiyuk has the tools to play any WR spot. Jennings can play any spot. I think Pearsall can, and probably Cowing. But it seems like instead of doing that, we just put Aiyuk at split end, Deebo at flanker, and Jennings in the slot, and then each of those guys has a backup. We don't use these guys creatively, we don't move them around the formation. And when we lose someone like Deebo, we don't really have anyone else who can do the things he does and the offense can stagnate.

I love Deebo, what he has done for this team, and how he plays with the ball in his hands (though I hate how he plays without it in his hands most of the time). But I think he's the easiest thing to pinpoint in terms of holding the team's offensive development back. We're too easy to defend. Man Deebo. Double Aiyuk. Get pressure up the middle against Brendel and Banks. I could design an effective defense. Kyle has to find a way to adjust and quickly.


Well said.

To compound these issues you are talking about, even with defense consistently dropping 7-8 into coverage the O-line still can't give Purdy much time in the pocket. Only Trent can consistently win 1on1 matchups, and outside of Puni the other 3 struggle to sustain blocks even with double teams. And that's even im the rare event they pick everybody up that is coming at the QB.

As you elaborate here, there are several issues with the offense (well team overall) but for me the most biggest issues can be tied back to the poor O-line. So, so many times Brock gets pressured before he even finishes his drop and he has nowhere to throw ball because nobody is open, a lot of times that is because the pressure came so quickly guys aren't even out of their breaks yet. You are absolutely right that the receivers struggle to beat man coverage, and that certainly needs to be fixed. But I do think that if the O-line could hold their protections for a modicum of time, we would see Brock be able to find somebody opening up, instead of having to constantly scramble around.

Trent Williams has been on retirement watch for the last couple seasons, but if they don't pull this season out of the gutter and they flame out, I can easily see Trent hanging em up. Which would exponentially elevate the O-line concerns. Unless they think they can move Puni to the outside, without Trent this team has 0 promising OT's.

All that said, its much more likely for the receivers to step up their game and/or Kyle come up with better more creative scheming, than it is that the Oline will be able to elevate their play. Hopefully Feliciano will be able to provide a little boost when he comes back, but that is pretty much about all we can realistically hope for.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#358 » by thesack12 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:44 am

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Ouch. This is certainly plays into the red zone issues.

Its probably over simplifying it, but again I think a lot of this comes down to the O-line. Mason has solid vision, and is great after contact. Inside the 5 heavily relies on north to south power running, the O-line is going to struggle to open up running lanes when the boz is stacked in a condensed field. The O-line just isn't going to win many hat on hat type of situations.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#359 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:57 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:So one thing I wanted to focus on after this game. It's something I've raised previously, but something that became even more glaring this week as there's a stark contrast with the Chiefs.

All this year, as their OTs have struggled and they have been hurting for WRs, the Chiefs have relied on shorter passes and really designed things to maximize YAC, minimize Mahomes' time with the ball in his hands, but still give him the option to get out of the pocket and make big plays with his arm or legs. Mahomes can make (some) plays with Noah Gray as his leading target because the offense and playcalling are helping him out.

I know the Niners can maximize a short-passing game as they did it under Jimmy, but we haven't been doing it at all with Brock. I'm not entirely sure if that's him or the coaching, though clearly the design of the offense has changed since Brock has been QB. We are running much less play-action, a lot more drop-back game, which typically is not a strength. It seems like we're putting our QB in a tough situation.

Contributing to this is the fact that our WRs aren't really diverse. I think several of them could be, other than Deebo (and Bell, who I'm not counting), who is limited as a true WR. But Aiyuk has the tools to play any WR spot. Jennings can play any spot. I think Pearsall can, and probably Cowing. But it seems like instead of doing that, we just put Aiyuk at split end, Deebo at flanker, and Jennings in the slot, and then each of those guys has a backup. We don't use these guys creatively, we don't move them around the formation. And when we lose someone like Deebo, we don't really have anyone else who can do the things he does and the offense can stagnate.

I love Deebo, what he has done for this team, and how he plays with the ball in his hands (though I hate how he plays without it in his hands most of the time). But I think he's the easiest thing to pinpoint in terms of holding the team's offensive development back. We're too easy to defend. Man Deebo. Double Aiyuk. Get pressure up the middle against Brendel and Banks. I could design an effective defense. Kyle has to find a way to adjust and quickly.


Well said.

To compound these issues you are talking about, even with defense consistently dropping 7-8 into coverage the O-line still can't give Purdy much time in the pocket. Only Trent can consistently win 1on1 matchups, and outside of Puni the other 3 struggle to sustain blocks even with double teams. And that's even im the rare event they pick everybody up that is coming at the QB.

As you elaborate here, there are several issues with the offense (well team overall) but for me the most biggest issues can be tied back to the poor O-line. So, so many times Brock gets pressured before he even finishes his drop and he has nowhere to throw ball because nobody is open, a lot of times that is because the pressure came so quickly guys aren't even out of their breaks yet. You are absolutely right that the receivers struggle to beat man coverage, and that certainly needs to be fixed. But I do think that if the O-line could hold their protections for a modicum of time, we would see Brock be able to find somebody opening up, instead of having to constantly scramble around.

Trent Williams has been on retirement watch for the last couple seasons, but if they don't pull this season out of the gutter and they flame out, I can easily see Trent hanging em up. Which would exponentially elevate the O-line concerns. Unless they think they can move Puni to the outside, without Trent this team has 0 promising OT's.

All that said, its much more likely for the receivers to step up their game and/or Kyle come up with better more creative scheming, than it is that the Oline will be able to elevate their play. Hopefully Feliciano will be able to provide a little boost when he comes back, but that is pretty much about all we can realistically hope for.


Yeah, OL definitely a concern as well. As was posted above, it seems like teams have largely figured out our keys and are exploiting them to routinely get free rushers. We just have to clean that up. Brendel is such a bad pass blocker that if he's also missing the calls, he just needs to go and we need to try Feliciano. I had really hoped Jarrett Kingston might be our center of the future, but now he's on the Panthers. Maybe Drake Nugent can develop into something, but he's got marginal NFL size even for the center position.
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Re: 2024 49ers Season 

Post#360 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:58 pm

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Ouch. This is certainly plays into the red zone issues.

Its probably over simplifying it, but again I think a lot of this comes down to the O-line. Mason has solid vision, and is great after contact. Inside the 5 heavily relies on north to south power running, the O-line is going to struggle to open up running lanes when the boz is stacked in a condensed field. The O-line just isn't going to win many hat on hat type of situations.


I've watched a few film breakdowns where Mason gets excited and doesn't read his keys the way he should. That's Guerendo's problem, too. Right now, it seems like nothing is working. The run game is solid, but not inside the 20. Our playmakers aren't really making plays. Purdy is pressing. Kyle has got to find a way to settle the guys down and make it work. The game this week is a huge one for us.

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