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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#621 » by Ito » Tue Oct 8, 2024 2:35 pm

All comes down to how this affects Brunson, you would never know what characters inspires others behind the scenes in the locker room
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#622 » by NoStatsGuy » Wed Oct 9, 2024 12:21 pm

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Oh man, you are really behind on this stuff. Tatum averaged more minutes than Brunson, as did Embiid and Maxey.

Also, again, you mean when everyone was injured? The Knicks were down to maybe 7 playable players in the playoffs.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/minutes/season/2024/seasontype/3/players/5/table/general/sort/avgMinutes/dir/desc

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dont bother with these guys on realgm. they dont actually watch the games or understand what they read in the boxscores.
picking up a narrative from 5 years ago and still clinging on to it. its obvious troll or just room tempreture iq (speaking of celsius). not worth the energy.

Knicks literally broke down last year in the playoffs because Thibs ran them into the ground. Don't have to go back 5 years.


just not true. not a single injury we had was related to playing too many minutes. thanks for proving my point
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#623 » by ajones9219 » Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:18 am

NoStatsGuy wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
dont bother with these guys on realgm. they dont actually watch the games or understand what they read in the boxscores.
picking up a narrative from 5 years ago and still clinging on to it. its obvious troll or just room tempreture iq (speaking of celsius). not worth the energy.

Knicks literally broke down last year in the playoffs because Thibs ran them into the ground. Don't have to go back 5 years.


just not true. not a single injury we had was related to playing too many minutes. thanks for proving my point


Brother you're arguing a nonsense point. There are literally so many examples of previous Knicks players that have started that Thibbs runs his players ragged. This includes game time and practice, which he is incredibly notorious for running incredibly daunting practices.

The Knicks were worn down and fell apart with injuries.... Same as what happened with every other team he coaches. You can deny what is plainly obvious but the rest of us aren't buying

Hopefully they can stay healthy this year with the extra horses
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#624 » by Sweet Serenity » Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:48 am

NoStatsGuy wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
dont bother with these guys on realgm. they dont actually watch the games or understand what they read in the boxscores.
picking up a narrative from 5 years ago and still clinging on to it. its obvious troll or just room tempreture iq (speaking of celsius). not worth the energy.

Knicks literally broke down last year in the playoffs because Thibs ran them into the ground. Don't have to go back 5 years.


just not true. not a single injury we had was related to playing too many minutes. thanks for proving my point


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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#625 » by NoStatsGuy » Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:21 am

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Celts17Pride wrote:Knicks literally broke down last year in the playoffs because Thibs ran them into the ground. Don't have to go back 5 years.


just not true. not a single injury we had was related to playing too many minutes. thanks for proving my point


Anunoby ?


you can pull a harmstring any time. just ask chris paul and james harden. Every impactful starter plays these kind of minutes in the playoffs..
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#626 » by NoStatsGuy » Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:22 am

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Celts17Pride wrote:Knicks literally broke down last year in the playoffs because Thibs ran them into the ground. Don't have to go back 5 years.


just not true. not a single injury we had was related to playing too many minutes. thanks for proving my point


Brother you're arguing a nonsense point. There are literally so many examples of previous Knicks players that have started that Thibbs runs his players ragged. This includes game time and practice, which he is incredibly notorious for running incredibly daunting practices.

The Knicks were worn down and fell apart with injuries.... Same as what happened with every other team he coaches. You can deny what is plainly obvious but the rest of us aren't buying

Hopefully they can stay healthy this year with the extra horses


you dont know what you are talking about, if you are trying to make that point with a straight face
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#627 » by slickrickstyles » Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:02 pm

The Pacers/Knicks series this year is going to be all time
Once they have that golden shining moment and it comes to them in a dream or whatever and they understand that, that's when this team and this franchise will go to another level from where it was when I was here.

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Post#628 » by Shock Defeat » Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:18 pm

slickrickstyles wrote:The Pacers/Knicks series this year is going to be all time

if by all time you mean Knicks win easily, sure. (assuming health)
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#629 » by Big_Aristotle » Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:36 pm

If healthy, yes they are legit contenders.
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Post#630 » by slickrickstyles » Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:32 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:
slickrickstyles wrote:The Pacers/Knicks series this year is going to be all time

if by all time you mean Knicks win easily, sure. (assuming health)


I have lived my entire life (39 years) with people downplaying the Pacers when it comes to the Knicks so this is nothing new...Even funnier considering the series numbers are basically deadlocked with the Pacers leading playoff games 26 to 22.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/head_to_head_gl/knicks_vs_pacers_game_log_pl.htm
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#631 » by Moose » Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:38 pm

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ajones9219 wrote:
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just not true. not a single injury we had was related to playing too many minutes. thanks for proving my point


Brother you're arguing a nonsense point. There are literally so many examples of previous Knicks players that have started that Thibbs runs his players ragged. This includes game time and practice, which he is incredibly notorious for running incredibly daunting practices.

The Knicks were worn down and fell apart with injuries.... Same as what happened with every other team he coaches. You can deny what is plainly obvious but the rest of us aren't buying

Hopefully they can stay healthy this year with the extra horses


you dont know what you are talking about, if you are trying to make that point with a straight face


I'm pretty sure it was DDV or Hart last season on the podcast that said many of the practices are just walkthroughs/Xs&Os vs running simulated games

So this dude is just lying now for very little reason lol
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#632 » by ajones9219 » Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:25 pm

Moose wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Brother you're arguing a nonsense point. There are literally so many examples of previous Knicks players that have started that Thibbs runs his players ragged. This includes game time and practice, which he is incredibly notorious for running incredibly daunting practices.

The Knicks were worn down and fell apart with injuries.... Same as what happened with every other team he coaches. You can deny what is plainly obvious but the rest of us aren't buying

Hopefully they can stay healthy this year with the extra horses


you dont know what you are talking about, if you are trying to make that point with a straight face


I'm pretty sure it was DDV or Hart last season on the podcast that said many of the practices are just walkthroughs/Xs&Os vs running simulated games

So this dude is just lying now for very little reason lol


Fox Sports literally did a survey earlier this season to anonymous players/coaches/gm's about Thibs' coaching style with responses such as:

"An Eastern Conference GM simply responded by sending a TV screenshot of the Knicks listed as out or injured for the decisive Game 7 against the Pacers"

In the yearly NBA player survey, Thibs was once again voted as the coach that players would least like to play for. Why exactly do you think that is?

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He's run multiple players into the ground such as Deng/Noah/Rose, he has said multiple times that he doesn't believe in load management, doesn't care about minutes, and you can try to deny it if you want, but again, it's accepted fact that he has tough practices with fewer days off than most coaches. Hell he played Hart in 48 straight minutes for multiple games due to his team being decimated with injuries.

Again, y'all can choose not to accept it if you want but you're arguing a nonsense point. The man has been around for over a decade and this is nothing new
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#633 » by cgf » Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:35 pm

Moose wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Brother you're arguing a nonsense point. There are literally so many examples of previous Knicks players that have started that Thibbs runs his players ragged. This includes game time and practice, which he is incredibly notorious for running incredibly daunting practices.

The Knicks were worn down and fell apart with injuries.... Same as what happened with every other team he coaches. You can deny what is plainly obvious but the rest of us aren't buying

Hopefully they can stay healthy this year with the extra horses


you dont know what you are talking about, if you are trying to make that point with a straight face


I'm pretty sure it was DDV or Hart last season on the podcast that said many of the practices are just walkthroughs/Xs&Os vs running simulated games

So this dude is just lying now for very little reason lol


Yeah. Josh is notorious for not even practicing many days. The conversation in my sig started with Hart saying he wasn’t paid to practice :lol:
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#634 » by cgf » Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:39 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Moose wrote:
NoStatsGuy wrote:
you dont know what you are talking about, if you are trying to make that point with a straight face


I'm pretty sure it was DDV or Hart last season on the podcast that said many of the practices are just walkthroughs/Xs&Os vs running simulated games

So this dude is just lying now for very little reason lol


Fox Sports literally did a survey earlier this season to anonymous players/coaches/gm's about Thibs' coaching style with responses such as:

"An Eastern Conference GM simply responded by sending a TV screenshot of the Knicks listed as out or injured for the decisive Game 7 against the Pacers"

In the yearly NBA player survey, Thibs was once again voted as the team that players would least like to play for. Why exactly do you think that is?

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He's run multiple players into the ground such as Deng/Noah/Rose, he has said multiple times that he doesn't believe in load management, doesn't care about minutes, and you can try to deny it if you want, but again, it's accepted fact that he has tough practices with fewer days off than most coaches. Hell he played Hart in 48 straight minutes for multiple games due to his team being decimated with injuries.

Again, y'all can choose not to accept it if you want but you're arguing a nonsense point. The man has been around for over a decade and this is nothing new


How does a poll that explicitly excludes Knicks players, provide evidence of Knicks players saying he drives guys into the ground?

I get that it’s easier to regurgitate outdated memes than notice how much Thibs has changed but before our entire starting frontcourt went down, just 1 Knick was in the top 20 for mpg…Brunson at #14.

Thibs just isn’t that Nick Nurse-y anymore if you’re willing to do some digging :dontknow:
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#635 » by ajones9219 » Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:41 pm

cgf wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Moose wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was DDV or Hart last season on the podcast that said many of the practices are just walkthroughs/Xs&Os vs running simulated games

So this dude is just lying now for very little reason lol


Fox Sports literally did a survey earlier this season to anonymous players/coaches/gm's about Thibs' coaching style with responses such as:

"An Eastern Conference GM simply responded by sending a TV screenshot of the Knicks listed as out or injured for the decisive Game 7 against the Pacers"

In the yearly NBA player survey, Thibs was once again voted as the team that players would least like to play for. Why exactly do you think that is?

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He's run multiple players into the ground such as Deng/Noah/Rose, he has said multiple times that he doesn't believe in load management, doesn't care about minutes, and you can try to deny it if you want, but again, it's accepted fact that he has tough practices with fewer days off than most coaches. Hell he played Hart in 48 straight minutes for multiple games due to his team being decimated with injuries.

Again, y'all can choose not to accept it if you want but you're arguing a nonsense point. The man has been around for over a decade and this is nothing new


How does a poll that explicitly excludes Knicks players, provide evidence of Knicks players saying he drives guys into the ground?

I get that it’s easier to regurgitate outdated memes than notice how much Thibs has changed but before our entire starting frontcourt went down, just 1 Knick was in the top 20 for mpg…Brunson at #14.

Thibs just isn’t that Nick Nurse-y anymore if you’re willing to do some digging :dontknow:


So your argument is he used to run players into the ground....but not anymore? If that's the case, i'd love to hear your take on why the Knicks have been hit so hard with injuries the past few years. I find it much harder to believe that it's just bad luck when the alternative is just the norm of Thibs entire career.
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#636 » by cgf » Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:53 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
cgf wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Fox Sports literally did a survey earlier this season to anonymous players/coaches/gm's about Thibs' coaching style with responses such as:

"An Eastern Conference GM simply responded by sending a TV screenshot of the Knicks listed as out or injured for the decisive Game 7 against the Pacers"

In the yearly NBA player survey, Thibs was once again voted as the team that players would least like to play for. Why exactly do you think that is?

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He's run multiple players into the ground such as Deng/Noah/Rose, he has said multiple times that he doesn't believe in load management, doesn't care about minutes, and you can try to deny it if you want, but again, it's accepted fact that he has tough practices with fewer days off than most coaches. Hell he played Hart in 48 straight minutes for multiple games due to his team being decimated with injuries.

Again, y'all can choose not to accept it if you want but you're arguing a nonsense point. The man has been around for over a decade and this is nothing new


How does a poll that explicitly excludes Knicks players, provide evidence of Knicks players saying he drives guys into the ground?

I get that it’s easier to regurgitate outdated memes than notice how much Thibs has changed but before our entire starting frontcourt went down, just 1 Knick was in the top 20 for mpg…Brunson at #14.

Thibs just isn’t that Nick Nurse-y anymore if you’re willing to do some digging :dontknow:


So your argument is he used to run players into the ground....but not anymore? If that's the case, i'd love to hear your take on why the Knicks have been hit so hard with injuries the past few years. I find it much harder to believe that it's just bad luck when the alternative is just the norm of Thibs entire career.


My argument is that after his Minnesota stint failed Thibs took some time to learn & change. He’s still going to bark during games and he still values rim protection & offensive rebounds more than some other coaches…but he’s changed a lot.

Those changes include becoming way more flexible / experimentative than he used to be, trusting young players more than he used to, running much lighter practices, and utilizing a longer bench than he used to.

He doesn’t take players out of it’s within 20 pts until really late, and he won’t stick with something if the team is losing those minutes. So when the team lacks depth he will run a shorter bench…but Thibs isn’t exceptional in that respect. Nick Nurse is a lot worse about running up his stars’ minutes.

Two years ago our only injury entering the playoffs was Randle, who got hurt because Bam walks the line between physical & reckless. That game wasn’t a blowout or too late in the season to risk having Randle on the court so you can’t blame Thibs. And last year nobody was getting crazy minutes until trades & injuries sapped our depth. So it’s lazy to blame Thibs.

I get that if you ignore the details, the meme still seems like it might fit…if you squint hard enough…but that doesn’t mean it’s actually true.
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#637 » by LakerLegend » Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:11 pm

When Robinson comes back are they getter off running him at the 5 with Kat at the 4 or trying to trade him for another piece?
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Post#638 » by LakerLegend » Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:54 am

Said it before..Brunson isn't leading anybody to a chip.
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Post#639 » by knicksfan974 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:13 am

LakerLegend wrote:Said it before..Brunson isn't leading anybody to a chip.


It's just one game and the Celtics just couldn't miss any shots. Nobody is beating them when they shoot like that.
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Re: are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?! 

Post#640 » by Lalouie » Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:34 am

if the knicks are "legit", the celts will win 76games

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