PG: Knicks vs Celtics: Season opener!

[3toheadmelo]

i think giannis might be available by next summer. and i would have rather waited on him than doing this. and maybe you don't get him. or maybe something else comes up or not. but you could still pivot if you had all your picks. and maybe even you take a slight step back this year. but if i could have put brunson and giannis together i would feel we had a better chance at winning it all and that's what it's all about. i kind of feel like up until this summer leon was pretty cautious in all his dealings and this summer he just went yolo for whatever reason. too many picks for mikal, no problem we're going for it. a trade for a somewhat maligned risky star in kat with a super expensive contract, let's do it. i wonder if all of this was part of the promises made to jalen to take less money. otherwise i'm not sure what changed.

This should’ve been the play. Giannis said if they don’t win a chip he thinks they’re gonna trade him. Waiting for Giannis would’ve been worth it.

I think Leon was pressured to go all in on KAT at the very least. Marc stein said Rosas pushed for the deal more than anyone.

they wouldn’t have traded us Giannis for Donte and Randle

the main reason he’s off the table is because we send all those picks for Mikal

Even if we did the towns trade we could have traded towns and all those picks for Giannis

We don’t know that. Randle is also an expiring. It’s very possible that the bucks wouldn’t want KAT’s massive contract. Either way, I would’ve waited for Giannis instead of going all in on KAT and mikal, even if it might’ve been a pipe dream.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We don't know whatever player is going to demand a trade or what other team is going to underperform wanting to blow it up.

I tend to think the kat/randle trade is fine considering the contracts/roster. But that mikal trade put us all in on a nice role player. One that even you think needs to average 26ppg which seems like an absurd lofty goal for him.

Mikal doesn't need to average 26ppg, he needs the aggression back that led to that. Playing passive like he did in the first half isn't the guy, the guy in the second half that actually looked to score is what we need from him.

I think more so than the offense we need him to be a two way player. He was getting smoked last night.

The offense was nice to see in the 2nd half it made me feel much better about his shooting going forward.

But he was brought in to be our POA defender...he will be on haliburton on friday...we need him to be super disruptive on defense.

I really feel Brunson and KAT can carry most of the offensive load with spurts for Mikal as a 3rd option...but we can't be throwing out defensive performances like last night from him and OG. THey need to be our core defensively.

They need his defense but they didn't trade all those picks to get a guy that can't score 20ppg. Hart is the guy that needs to pick up any slack defensively. Mikal becoming a better scorer and playing aggressive on offense is what raises our ceiling, we know Jalen and KAT are going to score, we need someone else that can get their own kill.


I'd actually put OG on Haliburton too, especially if we switch since that completely blows up their Siakam/Turner post options that come when Haliburton gets a screen and the switch results in a mismatch. I don't think Mikal can guard Siakam.

[3toheadmelo]

If the Knicks are still terrible after 15 games, we should consider blowing up the team and tank for Cooper Flagg/Ace Bailey

this is a troll post right? We don't have our 1st round pick

Blowing it up = getting picks for our players, potentially ours. You know what I meant

[TerrenceClarke]

Is this Your Mikal?

[mpharris36]

Mikal doesn't need to average 26ppg, he needs the aggression back that led to that. Playing passive like he did in the first half isn't the guy, the guy in the second half that actually looked to score is what we need from him.

I think more so than the offense we need him to be a two way player. He was getting smoked last night.

The offense was nice to see in the 2nd half it made me feel much better about his shooting going forward.

But he was brought in to be our POA defender...he will be on haliburton on friday...we need him to be super disruptive on defense.

I really feel Brunson and KAT can carry most of the offensive load with spurts for Mikal as a 3rd option...but we can't be throwing out defensive performances like last night from him and OG. THey need to be our core defensively.

They need his defense but they didn't trade all those picks to get a guy that can't score 20ppg. Hart is the guy that needs to pick up any slack defensively. Mikal becoming a better scorer and playing aggressive on offense is what raises our ceiling, we know Jalen and KAT are going to score, we need someone else that can get their own kill.


I'd actually put OG on Haliburton too, especially if we switch since that completely blows up their Siakam/Turner post options that come when Haliburton gets a screen and the switch results in a mismatch. I don't think Mikal can guard Siakam.

OG will be guarding Siakam don't think Hart or Mikal are big enough to do that. Mikal true value on defense is getting skinny around screens and using his wingspan that is why he will be used as a POA defender. Just like OG had trouble guarding Maxey around screens OG is better used as a free safety type or used on a big wing.

I don't disagree with what we need from Mikal in terms of offense...but the reason we gave up that pick package was his two way potential. We could have clearly gotten another offensive weapon with those picks but we decided to maybe take less big time scoring and buy more into a well rounded guy that impacts the game on both ends.

Like can he score 20 ppg....yes...is he needed to do that on games hwere brunson and KAt are dropping 30...unlikely. But he can still be super impactful on defense and picking his spots especially with the second unit of offense.

[mpharris36]

If the Knicks are still terrible after 15 games, we should consider blowing up the team and tank for Cooper Flagg/Ace Bailey

this is a troll post right? We don't have our 1st round pick

Blowing it up = getting picks for our players, potentially ours. You know what I meant

if we are truly bad which I don't believe for one second why would brooklyn bail us out and give us our pick back. They would just keep it. They aren't trying to win now.

those guys are going 1 and 2 in the draft...those type of picks don't get acquired in season.

[3toheadmelo]

this is a troll post right? We don't have our 1st round pick

Blowing it up = getting picks for our players, potentially ours. You know what I meant

if we are truly bad which I don't believe for one second why would brooklyn bail us out and give us our pick back. They would just keep it. They aren't trying to win now.

those guys are going 1 and 2 in the draft...those type of picks don't get acquired in season.

You never know

[HEZI]

Put this one in the trash bin and move on. They will get better in time. What they also need is some MSG energy. Good vibes will return and Mikal will be doing that annoying 3 point celebration at The Garden once we find our rhythm and flow.

[Reign23]

the knicks will probably be around the same as last year when it's all said and done. but when you give up all your assets and flexibility you're supposed to get better.

we have to reach at least the conference finals or it's major bust.

[TerrenceClarke]

Blowing it up = getting picks for our players, potentially ours. You know what I meant

if we are truly bad which I don't believe for one second why would brooklyn bail us out and give us our pick back. They would just keep it. They aren't trying to win now.

those guys are going 1 and 2 in the draft...those type of picks don't get acquired in season.

You never know

Im not saying the Hype is Wemby level, but there is not a team in the NBA that would come off that type of pick for anything we have.

[mpharris36]

if we are truly bad which I don't believe for one second why would brooklyn bail us out and give us our pick back. They would just keep it. They aren't trying to win now.

those guys are going 1 and 2 in the draft...those type of picks don't get acquired in season.

You never know

Im not saying the Hype is Wemby level, but there is not a team in the NBA that would come off that type of pick for anything we have.

its also completely different circumstances. Like a bad team isn't going to put the same valuation on a OG or Mikal or KAT that we did. Those were suppose to be pieces to help you win.

A team that isn't good is going to try there luck with the lottery not trade picks for vets.

[3toheadmelo]

if we are truly bad which I don't believe for one second why would brooklyn bail us out and give us our pick back. They would just keep it. They aren't trying to win now.

those guys are going 1 and 2 in the draft...those type of picks don't get acquired in season.

You never know

Im not saying the Hype is Wemby level, but there is not a team in the NBA that would come off that type of pick for anything we have.

Houston is probably the team that will give up their pick. They in win now mode. They were willing to give up brooklyns picks and Jalen green for Mikal. I can def see them giving up mad picks for Brunson and Mikal.

[TKKnicks1]

Gardens gonna be rocking Friday and all you haters will be lurking in the shadows

[mpharris36]

You never know

Im not saying the Hype is Wemby level, but there is not a team in the NBA that would come off that type of pick for anything we have.

Houston is probably the team that will give up their pick. They in win now mode. They were willing to give up brooklyns picks and Jalen green for Mikal. I can def see them giving up mad picks for Brunson and Mikal.

If HOU gave up picks for Brunson and Mikal how would they be considered a lottery team, to even potentially get into the Flagg/Ace territory?

[3toheadmelo]

Im not saying the Hype is Wemby level, but there is not a team in the NBA that would come off that type of pick for anything we have.

Houston is probably the team that will give up their pick. They in win now mode. They were willing to give up brooklyns picks and Jalen green for Mikal. I can def see them giving up mad picks for Brunson and Mikal.

If HOU gave up picks for Brunson and Mikal how would they be considered a lottery team, to even potentially get into the Flagg/Ace territory?

Mikal definitely isn’t making their lottery odds worse, Brooklyn just went 32-50

Deal doesn’t have to be done during the season. Can be done after the season is done. Prob a draft night trade like AD went to the lakers.

[Reign23]

Just chill. We have a completely new team, they have a lot of continuity and hit every god damn three. contested or not. happens. carry on.

[3toheadmelo]

This isn’t a Thibs team. This is a Mike D’anphony team.

[Spree2Houston]

The Knicks as a team shot 55% last night (43/78) while Boston shot 48/95 (50%). The difference in the game was Boston shot 29/61 (48% lol) from 3 while we shot 11/30 (solid 37%). 65% of Boston's FGA were 3s which is unheard of. At one point both teams were trading baskets but Boston kept shooting 3s while New York was shooting 2s and the lead kept ballooning. If you're playing Boston, you need to defend the 3ball and NY is terrible at defending the 3

[robillionaire]

If the Knicks are still terrible after 15 games, we should consider blowing up the team and tank for Cooper Flagg/Ace Bailey

Don’t be ridiculous. I’d give them at least 20 games

Otherwise blow it up, build around Kolek and Pacome, fire sale trade Brunson Mikal and Towns to recuperate as many picks as we can get. Probably stuck with OG but at least he plays defense. 15-20 years from now we might make the playoffs again

[Clyde Frazier]

It's only 1 game. If there’s growing pains early that’s gonna be frustrating, but we can get through it. Way too many open 3s for the Celtics last night, as hot as they were.

Towns being able to iso without over dribbling is a breath of fresh air. Only time will tell with mikal's shot but those bricks in the first half were rough. His form has always been strange, but it worked! So it really makes no sense to me why he’d try to improve on it.

Onto the next. Would be nice to put the pacers in their place on Friday tho.