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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#381 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:32 am

Brinbe wrote:
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Just remember one of these boys are coming home next year...





It will all be worth it
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knowing masai, it'll be



Personally I have no issue with drafting Malauch....IF those 3 were already drafted :lol:

BUT I'd still be very excited if we drafted him. We'll see what flashes he shows this season but he has been dubbed as the best African prospect since Embiid. While I don't think he's the talent Embiid is, let's say for the sake for the lack of a better comparison that Malauch is more an "Ewing" level prospect than Embiid's "Hakeem in Shaq's body (but not athleticism lol)". That would still be a fantastic outcome and I think someone Ewing level would at least make the team a darkhorse to win. To be clear I'm not saying Khaman is that, I gotta see more but I don't think scouts have dubbed him a top 5-10 or a school like Duke recruits him if he's just another energy big. There's something there but it we'll see how far from it he looks this season.

It's just of course Khaman will probably need more work to reach the height of his potential than those 3 will/would. But call me crazy but if Khaman hits, he could arguably have about as much potential as anyone not named Flagg in the draft.
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#382 » by Brinbe » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:39 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
Brinbe wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Spoiler:
Just remember one of these boys are coming home next year...





It will all be worth it
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knowing masai, it'll be



Personally I have no issue with drafting Malauch....IF those 3 were already drafted :lol:

BUT I'd still be very excited if we drafted him. We'll see what flashes he shows this season but he has been dubbed as the best African prospect since Embiid. While I don't think he's the talent Embiid is, let's say for the sake for the lack of a better comparison that Malauch is more an "Ewing" level prospect than Embiid's "Hakeem in Shaq's body (but not athleticism lol)". That would still be a fantastic outcome and I think someone Ewing level would at least make the team a darkhorse to win. To be clear I'm not saying Khaman is that, I gotta see more but I don't think scouts have dubbed him a top 5-10 or a school like Duke recruits him if he's just another energy big. There's something there but it we'll see how far from it he looks this season.

It's just of course Khaman will probably need more work to reach the height of his potential than those 3 will/would. But call me crazy but if Khaman hits, he could arguably have about as much potential as anyone not named Flagg in the draft.

Wouldn't be my first choice but wouldn't be the worst one either considering his potential. The good thing about being bad and having a probable high pick is that we'll have loads of scouting/prospect watching in store for us even outside the big 5 in flagg/bailey/harper/edgecombe/traore.

don't forget about



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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#383 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:41 am

Brinbe wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Brinbe wrote:knowing masai, it'll be



Personally I have no issue with drafting Malauch....IF those 3 were already drafted :lol:

BUT I'd still be very excited if we drafted him. We'll see what flashes he shows this season but he has been dubbed as the best African prospect since Embiid. While I don't think he's the talent Embiid is, let's say for the sake for the lack of a better comparison that Malauch is more an "Ewing" level prospect than Embiid's "Hakeem in Shaq's body (but not athleticism lol)". That would still be a fantastic outcome and I think someone Ewing level would at least make the team a darkhorse to win. To be clear I'm not saying Khaman is that, I gotta see more but I don't think scouts have dubbed him a top 5-10 or a school like Duke recruits him if he's just another energy big. There's something there but it we'll see how far from it he looks this season.

It's just of course Khaman will probably need more work to reach the height of his potential than those 3 will/would. But call me crazy but if Khaman hits, he could arguably have about as much potential as anyone not named Flagg in the draft.

Wouldn't be my first choice but wouldn't be the worst one either considering his potential. The good thing about being bad and having a probable high pick is that we'll have loads of scouting/prospect watching in store for us even outside the big 5 in flagg/bailey/harper/edgecombe/traore.

don't forget about



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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#384 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:43 am

Great start to the season.

We're gonna stink so bad.

Even if Scottie plays well, we'll still lose by 10 points.

Zero depth. Injuries piling up. Clueless coach.

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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#385 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:02 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
Brinbe wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Spoiler:
Just remember one of these boys are coming home next year...





It will all be worth it
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knowing masai, it'll be



Personally I have no issue with drafting Malauch....IF those 3 were already drafted :lol:

BUT I'd still be very excited if we drafted him. We'll see what flashes he shows this season but he has been dubbed as the best African prospect since Embiid. While I don't think he's the talent Embiid is, let's say for the sake for the lack of a better comparison that Malauch is more an "Ewing" level prospect than Embiid's "Hakeem in Shaq's body (but not athleticism lol)". That would still be a fantastic outcome and I think someone Ewing level would at least make the team a darkhorse to win. To be clear I'm not saying Khaman is that, I gotta see more but I don't think scouts have dubbed him a top 5-10 or a school like Duke recruits him if he's just another energy big. There's something there but it we'll see how far from it he looks this season.

It's just of course Khaman will probably need more work to reach the height of his potential than those 3 will/would. But call me crazy but if Khaman hits, he could arguably have about as much potential as anyone not named Flagg in the draft.


lol we need to see what Maluach does on the floor first the kid needs to show he's not chris boucher
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#386 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:04 am

Brinbe wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Brinbe wrote:knowing masai, it'll be



Spoiler:
Personally I have no issue with drafting Malauch....IF those 3 were already drafted :lol:

BUT I'd still be very excited if we drafted him. We'll see what flashes he shows this season but he has been dubbed as the best African prospect since Embiid. While I don't think he's the talent Embiid is, let's say for the sake for the lack of a better comparison that Malauch is more an "Ewing" level prospect than Embiid's "Hakeem in Shaq's body (but not athleticism lol)". That would still be a fantastic outcome and I think someone Ewing level would at least make the team a darkhorse to win. To be clear I'm not saying Khaman is that, I gotta see more but I don't think scouts have dubbed him a top 5-10 or a school like Duke recruits him if he's just another energy big. There's something there but it we'll see how far from it he looks this season.

It's just of course Khaman will probably need more work to reach the height of his potential than those 3 will/would. But call me crazy but if Khaman hits, he could arguably have about as much potential as anyone not named Flagg in the draft
.

Wouldn't be my first choice but wouldn't be the worst one either considering his potential. The good thing about being bad and having a probable high pick is that we'll have loads of scouting/prospect watching in store for us even outside the big 5 in flagg/bailey/harper/edgecombe/traore.

don't forget about



too


I won't lie to ya, I'm not Rocco fan lol not saying he can't turn out to be a really good player but I don't see any star potential there if I'm being brutally honest.

Coop/Ace/VJ are my clear favorites (obv lol) then I like guys like Harper, Saraf & Traore although they're pretty ball dominant so tbh I don't love the fit but if they're the best player on the team then it really doesn't matter.

The 2 players I need to see more of that MAY be able to leapfrog that second group of 3 for me is Maluach or Tre Johnson. Obviously with Khaman it's the physical traits and flashes of skill. But Tre reminds me so much of Booker when I watch his highlights but yet ihe's taller & longer. He looks like he has that takeover scorers mentality & just fearlessness taking big shots. Listening to Rafael Barlowe, he said that he wouldn't name names but he just remembers a NBA hooper was playing Tre and apparently it was Tre that was giving that dude the business lol. I've also heard more than once scouts say he might be the best pure scorer in the draft...ahem this team needs that lol but again we'll see what he & Malauch look like. But those are my current favorites and Drake Powell who's more than a honorable mention.

That's like 7-8 players I'd be extremely happy with drafting and taking the chance to develop into a star (although obv most of them don't quite have superstar potential). We just have to stay within the top 6-8 and I really believe we're adding another foundational level piece to the squad.
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#387 » by RoyceDa59 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:06 am

Tank is the only pathway forward that makes the most sense for our future.

Because Masai and co delayed the rebuild by a year or two, we find ourselves in an odd situation with our current talent potential and cap scenario.

We absolutely need a blue chip prospect added to this core to have a chance at regaining HCA in round 1 anytime soon.

I’m all for a year of big development minutes for the youngsters while finishing, ideally, 5th worst in the NBA in terms of record.

This draft has a number of blue chip prospects and I trust our exec group to find the best one in available in the lotto.

Here’s hoping for some ping pong ball luck as well.
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#388 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:46 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
Brinbe wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Spoiler:
Personally I have no issue with drafting Malauch....IF those 3 were already drafted :lol:

BUT I'd still be very excited if we drafted him. We'll see what flashes he shows this season but he has been dubbed as the best African prospect since Embiid. While I don't think he's the talent Embiid is, let's say for the sake for the lack of a better comparison that Malauch is more an "Ewing" level prospect than Embiid's "Hakeem in Shaq's body (but not athleticism lol)". That would still be a fantastic outcome and I think someone Ewing level would at least make the team a darkhorse to win. To be clear I'm not saying Khaman is that, I gotta see more but I don't think scouts have dubbed him a top 5-10 or a school like Duke recruits him if he's just another energy big. There's something there but it we'll see how far from it he looks this season.

It's just of course Khaman will probably need more work to reach the height of his potential than those 3 will/would. But call me crazy but if Khaman hits, he could arguably have about as much potential as anyone not named Flagg in the draft
.

Wouldn't be my first choice but wouldn't be the worst one either considering his potential. The good thing about being bad and having a probable high pick is that we'll have loads of scouting/prospect watching in store for us even outside the big 5 in flagg/bailey/harper/edgecombe/traore.

don't forget about



too


I won't lie to ya, I'm not Rocco fan lol not saying he can't turn out to be a really good player but I don't see any star potential there if I'm being brutally honest.

Coop/Ace/VJ are my clear favorites (obv lol) then I like guys like Harper, Saraf & Traore although they're pretty ball dominant so tbh I don't love the fit but if they're the best player on the team then it really doesn't matter.

The 2 players I need to see more of that MAY be able to leapfrog that second group of 3 for me is Maluach or Tre Johnson. Obviously with Khaman it's the physical traits and flashes of skill. But Tre reminds me so much of Booker when I watch his highlights but yet ihe's taller & longer. He looks like he has that takeover scorers mentality & just fearlessness taking big shots. Listening to Rafael Barlowe, he said that he wouldn't name names but he just remembers a NBA hooper was playing Tre and apparently it was Tre that was giving that dude the business lol. I've also heard more than once scouts say he might be the best pure scorer in the draft...ahem this team needs that lol but again we'll see what he & Malauch look like. But those are my current favorites and Drake Powell who's more than a honorable mention.

That's like 7-8 players I'd be extremely happy with drafting and taking the chance to develop into a star (although obv most of them don't quite have superstar potential). We just have to stay within the top 6-8 and I really believe we're adding another foundational level piece to the squad.


I soured a lot on rocco lately he looks more like a big agile guy who is trying to play basketball than a hooper
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#389 » by Chuck Everett » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:11 am

Team needs at least two drafts of being awful to get some more prospects on the roster. These young vets are going nowhere. They'd help other teams for sure, but collectively, they're a zero.
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#390 » by Brinbe » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:19 am

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blazers had pretty much the exact same game and beat us out by five to the bottom of the standings. capture the flagg is off to a serious start

Chuck Everett wrote:Team needs at least two drafts of being awful to get some more prospects on the roster. These young vets are going nowhere. They'd help other teams for sure, but collectively, they're a zero.

that's the entire point and exactly what they're doing. they're tanking this year and probably next for dybantsa. from 2014 to 2019, there was only one raptor left on that championship team and that was kyle lowry.

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and even from that team there's only one guy left over and that's boucher who's probably gone after this season
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#391 » by Scase » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:35 am

Brinbe wrote:Image

blazers had pretty much the exact same game and beat us out by five to the bottom of the standings. capture the flagg is off to a serious start

Chuck Everett wrote:Team needs at least two drafts of being awful to get some more prospects on the roster. These young vets are going nowhere. They'd help other teams for sure, but collectively, they're a zero.

that's the entire point and exactly what they're doing. they're tanking this year and probably next for dybantsa. from 2014 to 2019, there was only one raptor left on that championship team and that was kyle lowry.

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and even from that team there's only one guy left over and that's boucher who's probably gone after this season

You are much more confident in this FO to tank than I am. I fully expect them to push for pointless wins, the only thing that I am trusting in currently are the injuries and schedule forcing their hand. Masai has never tanked intentionally before.
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Post#392 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:06 am

S Case, a friend of mine claims to be a member of the tWo, but hasn't seen the Cooper Flagg game 1 Duke highlights yet, is he really, and truly, tWo?
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#393 » by Brinbe » Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:46 am

Scase wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Image

blazers had pretty much the exact same game and beat us out by five to the bottom of the standings. capture the flagg is off to a serious start

Chuck Everett wrote:Team needs at least two drafts of being awful to get some more prospects on the roster. These young vets are going nowhere. They'd help other teams for sure, but collectively, they're a zero.

that's the entire point and exactly what they're doing. they're tanking this year and probably next for dybantsa. from 2014 to 2019, there was only one raptor left on that championship team and that was kyle lowry.

Image

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and even from that team there's only one guy left over and that's boucher who's probably gone after this season

You are much more confident in this FO to tank than I am. I fully expect them to push for pointless wins, the only thing that I am trusting in currently are the injuries and schedule forcing their hand. Masai has never tanked intentionally before.

Huh? This is just blatantly false. They can tank just fine like anyone else. When did they push for pointless wins last season when they fielded godawful lineups on purpose or in the Tampa year when they rested Lowry and others down the stretch. Whatever happened during the Wemby year wasn't pointless because they were giving that Siakam/Fred/OG/Scottie/Yak/Nurse core a chance to show something and they got upended by DeMar's daughter in the end. The context is entirely different now and everyone from management to coaching to the players themselves have been preaching rebuild since the opening press conference.

At this point, it's just annoying contrarianism to be saying the same old stuff when you know better. Literally game one and Jamison Battle already got 16 minutes of run.

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come on now. The people that defended Masai/Fred and all that despite everything were annoying to be sure, but being totally on the total other side of that coin where you're being militantly opposed to everything the FO does despite the reality of what they're currently doing, which is obvious tanking, is also just as bad.
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Post#394 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:07 pm

It's still too early to tell. But from the design of the team it's another Masai hedge. Potentially good enough to come together and win high 30s low 40s, but weak enough around the edges that they could sit Scottie for half a season and lose 55 games. I don't think there's a scenario where Scottie plays a full year and they lose under 30 games, which seems like a necessary threshold to get into the surefire stud picks in this draft.
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Post#395 » by bluerap23 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm

Brinbe wrote:Image

blazers had pretty much the exact same game and beat us out by five to the bottom of the standings. capture the flagg is off to a serious start

Chuck Everett wrote:Team needs at least two drafts of being awful to get some more prospects on the roster. These young vets are going nowhere. They'd help other teams for sure, but collectively, they're a zero.

that's the entire point and exactly what they're doing. they're tanking this year and probably next for dybantsa. from 2014 to 2019, there was only one raptor left on that championship team and that was kyle lowry.

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and even from that team there's only one guy left over and that's boucher who's probably gone after this season

Blazers have a huge advantage being in the west. Don't see anyone in the east out-tanking them.
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#396 » by Brinbe » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:50 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Image

blazers had pretty much the exact same game and beat us out by five to the bottom of the standings. capture the flagg is off to a serious start

Chuck Everett wrote:Team needs at least two drafts of being awful to get some more prospects on the roster. These young vets are going nowhere. They'd help other teams for sure, but collectively, they're a zero.

that's the entire point and exactly what they're doing. they're tanking this year and probably next for dybantsa. from 2014 to 2019, there was only one raptor left on that championship team and that was kyle lowry.

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and even from that team there's only one guy left over and that's boucher who's probably gone after this season

Blazers have a huge advantage being in the west. Don't see anyone in the east out-tanking them.

def in agreement there. meanwhile we'll be stuck with the nets/wiz/pistons
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#397 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:13 pm

Brinbe wrote:
Scase wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Image

blazers had pretty much the exact same game and beat us out by five to the bottom of the standings. capture the flagg is off to a serious start


that's the entire point and exactly what they're doing. they're tanking this year and probably next for dybantsa. from 2014 to 2019, there was only one raptor left on that championship team and that was kyle lowry.

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and even from that team there's only one guy left over and that's boucher who's probably gone after this season

You are much more confident in this FO to tank than I am. I fully expect them to push for pointless wins, the only thing that I am trusting in currently are the injuries and schedule forcing their hand. Masai has never tanked intentionally before.

Huh? This is just blatantly false. They can tank just fine like anyone else. When did they push for pointless wins last season when they fielded godawful lineups on purpose or in the Tampa year when they rested Lowry and others down the stretch. Whatever happened during the Wemby year wasn't pointless because they were giving that Siakam/Fred/OG/Scottie/Yak/Nurse core a chance to show something and they got upended by DeMar's daughter in the end. The context is entirely different now and everyone from management to coaching to the players themselves have been preaching rebuild since the opening press conference.

At this point, it's just annoying contrarianism to be saying the same old stuff when you know better. Literally game one and Jamison Battle already got 16 minutes of run.

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come on now. The people that defended Masai/Fred and all that despite everything were annoying to be sure, but being totally on the total other side of that coin where you're being militantly opposed to everything the FO does despite the reality of what they're currently doing, which is obvious tanking, is also just as bad.

Tried to tank in 2013/14
Tanked in 2020/21
Tanked to close out 2023/24
And is pretty clearly going to steer to a tank if we start our poorly / half our team is hurt

All that and still 6th in wins since Masai took over - but hey, we should have no trust in the guy.
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#398 » by Chandan » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:25 pm

I will believe he's committed to tanking when he trades away Poetlt.
The fact that there is still "wait and see how they do first " mentality doesn't tell me he has learn his lesson at all. There should be urgency even with tanking.

By the time deadline rolls around, even if they trade Poeltl at a seemingly more opportuned time, we could be 8 games behind Wizards and Blazers.

Although hiring darko is a home run move.
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Post#399 » by TimeForChange » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:51 pm

Darko is the perfect tank commander. He’s so so bad.

Now they need to move Jak, Chris and Bruce. Need to go all in on the tank.
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Re: Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix) 

Post#400 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:57 pm

Lots of things stack up, and show the direction.

- Didn't move on from Darko.

- Didn't retain shooting (GTJ)

- Didn't bring in new shooting other than a rookie

- re-signed a worthless contract in Brown

- re-signed Agbaji (friend of the father, deal)

- Masai's contract's expiring effectively, so he's a lame duck GM
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