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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#361 » by -Jragon- » Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:10 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:Here are all nine makes the Heat had against Brook.



There's more Duncan Robinson DHOs, while Brook is standing in the lane.


Coach's decision to have him stay in the lane there.. nice try I guess
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#362 » by Dick Tate » Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:16 pm

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Dick Tate wrote:PSA: Please don't portray Pacers series stats as having any sort of meaning whatsoever. Especially defensively.


Can you share why?

Yes.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#363 » by -Jragon- » Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:16 pm

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Those are regular season stats. Teams aren't willing to majorly adjust their offenses for 1 game in the regular season, but have been more than willing to go all in for a playoff series to expose Brook.

The amount of 3s Brook gives up come playoff time is insurmountable.


Insurmountable except when it wasn't. Using Indiana as any kind of evidence is completely asinine.


Why? Bucks had the best Indiana defense in the playoffs when Brook was off the court, and that's despite Beasley playing heavy minutes, and maybe playing huge minutes.

Brook was also cooked from 3 by Boston and Brooklyn. Miami ran tons of DHOs to get uncontested 3s.


1 takeaway from Indy was hiding KM on a 4 on D could be a way (power) forward for him if he'll use his leverage like he did vs Siakim to make him take tough shots
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#364 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:43 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:There's more Duncan Robinson DHOs, while Brook is standing in the lane.


Brook was on the court for six of Robinson's threes that entire series.



He maybe could have jumped out and defended on two of those.

You're full of **** and you should just stop.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#365 » by kanyon » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:04 am

Anything substantial about getting Lonnie Walker? That was pretty intriguing.....
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#366 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:00 am

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Insurmountable except when it wasn't. Using Indiana as any kind of evidence is completely asinine.


Why? Bucks had the best Indiana defense in the playoffs when Brook was off the court, and that's despite Beasley playing heavy minutes, and maybe playing huge minutes.

Brook was also cooked from 3 by Boston and Brooklyn. Miami ran tons of DHOs to get uncontested 3s.


1 takeaway from Indy was hiding KM on a 4 on D could be a way (power) forward for him if he'll use his leverage like he did vs Siakim to make him take tough shots


Never a need to hide Mids on D, they always give him a priority assignment. Bucks weren't going to waste Mids talents on Nesmith.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#367 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:04 am

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ReasonablySober wrote:Here are all nine makes the Heat had against Brook.



There's more Duncan Robinson DHOs, while Brook is standing in the lane.


Coach's decision to have him stay in the lane there.. nice try I guess


Of course, because he's too slow to help and recover. This series was one of the better matchups for Brook, because Bam can't shoot. Unfortunately, all the actual contenders now have shooting centers.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#368 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:24 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:Never a need to hide Mids on D, they always give him a priority assignment. Bucks weren't going to waste Mids talents on Nesmith.


Lopez vs Turner was the #1 matchup that series in terms of minutes.

I'll give you one guess what #2 was.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#369 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:16 pm

A year ago, the board was full of "Giannis is on the downturn" talk after game 1. He's still got it. Happy times.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#370 » by German Athens » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:57 pm

Eason with 13 minutes and the 8th man in their debut.

Whitmore 8 minutes and 10th man.

I don’t know if either are on a minutes restriction, but no 8th-10th man is so coveted that they can’t be pried away. Some combo of their younger dudes are definitely getting traded at some point.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#371 » by raferfenix » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:03 pm

kanyon wrote:Anything substantial about getting Lonnie Walker? That was pretty intriguing.....


Delay must be the Bucks negotiating a MarJon dump to open a roster spot, clearly (hopefully).

I don’t think we’re getting even a protected 2nd in this case mind you. We got no leverage if we need a deal done fast.

Few teams need a guy with MarJon’s attributes more than the Bucks do. If we just don’t see it he’s probably not making it in the NBA.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#372 » by soxperry » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:23 pm

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kanyon wrote:Anything substantial about getting Lonnie Walker? That was pretty intriguing.....


Delay must be the Bucks negotiating a MarJon dump to open a roster spot, clearly (hopefully).

I don’t think we’re getting even a protected 2nd in this case mind you. We got no leverage if we need a deal done fast.

Few teams need a guy with MarJon’s attributes more than the Bucks do. If we just don’t see it he’s probably not making it in the NBA.


Are we actually linked to him or are we just speculating that he would be a good add?

Edit: looked up his numbers and metrics. barf
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#373 » by German Athens » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:41 pm

Does anyone frequently look at EPM?

I just went to look at it, and it appears they made a bunch of changes to the formula. Last year, Embiid and Shai had the highest EPM, but now it looks like Jokic has the highest listed last year while Shai was 5th.

Also, Giannis 2020 season went from 1st to 2nd that year.

Does anyone know what happened?
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Post#374 » by Thunder Muscle » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:48 pm

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JayMKE wrote:For free and with no expectation for big minutes maybe PJ could have a limited role but it doesn't seem like he's content to sit on the bench. I'm getting really down on Marjon and AJJ but I don't want to dump them or any other asset so we can get 39 year old still malcontent PJ Tucker.


I'd be fine letting Marjon walk at any point. There is literally nothing there. AJJ could work, but we need to give him serious minutes to see and find where he fits in the rotation. I'd happily get rid of Marjon for Tucker because even though Tucker is washed, he's better than Marjon.


Don’t we have to decide on Marjon’s 4th year rookie option (25-26 season) soon? Thought I saw it was going to be like 4.7M. I can’t imagine the team is going to bother picking that up at this point.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#375 » by BUCKnation » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:00 pm

BigO wrote:When you think of trades, consider how Boston's team was crafted. Every position has a shooter. Jrue is probably the worst of the starters and he's good. Off the bench, they bring in Pritchard and Houser, neither one of whom will make an all defensive team or can do much else, except shoot.

So trading Middleton or Portis makes no sense. Both Middleton and Portis can get their own shot when the clock is running down, a skillset that is not easily available. Portis isn't going anywhere unless some team gives the Bucks draft choices and a player that can help win a championship now. The Bucks love Portis and Middleton, unlike much of this board.

if we could swindle teams like Boston did, we'd be in better shape too
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#376 » by raferfenix » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:09 pm

soxperry wrote:Are we actually linked to him or are we just speculating that he would be a good add?

Edit: looked up his numbers and metrics. barf


Lonnie's pure speculation beyond Dalton Sell ardently advocating for him.

I don't know that much about him beyond that actually, could be persuaded he isn't even worth committing to the minutes we'd need to sign him to fill an open spot.

Like the idea of an athlete in the backcourt who can run the break and take it to the rack. If he's a chucker or can't defend that'd be different though.

And wouldn't it be great if Ajax could fill this role. But ya know.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#377 » by Badgerlander » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:17 pm

We should call up the pistons and see if we can swap MarJon for Wendall Moore, the old change of scenery ploy. pistons already declined to pick up his option. May not be much more than MarJon but at least Moore can shoot.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#378 » by Bernman » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:29 pm

German Athens wrote:Eason with 13 minutes and the 8th man in their debut.

Whitmore 8 minutes and 10th man.

I don’t know if either are on a minutes restriction, but no 8th-10th man is so coveted that they can’t be pried away. Some combo of their younger dudes are definitely getting traded at some point.


Paul Reed also got a DNP-CD & Sasser 3 min's. These are 2 teams w/ mega depth that have extra guys who'd be firmly in the rotation for us. They also are the types of teams 2nd apron orgs can actually maneuver w/. So they're who we should be targeting.

I'd love to pare down the useless youth for this season. Problem is none of these guys are making enough $ to deal straight up & we can't package players unless we can get under the 2nd apron in the move. Maybe attach Bobby, w/ 1 or of the youth & get Reed/Eason + Whitmore/Sasser. 2 rotation players now for 1, get fleeter of foot, & maybe they're here long-term.

BTW, I'd also watch the Grizz, who have way too much depth. There are guys like Pippen, LaRavia, Clarke, & GG Jackson who'd be very useful to us, but may be buried by them.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#379 » by Neuromancer56 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:54 pm

Any reason to be concerned about Giannis' knee tendonitis that almost held him out of the first game of the season? He had that nagging knee tendonitis last year, and I'm kind of disappointed that they didn't get it improved over summer. Is he going to fall apart just before the playoffs again?
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Shockingly, Middleton to Miss Opener 

Post#380 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:03 pm

Badgerlander wrote:We should call up the pistons and see if we can swap MarJon for Wendall Moore, the old change of scenery ploy. pistons already declined to pick up his option. May not be much more than MarJon but at least Moore can shoot.


Moore was awesome against us in the preseason.

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