PG: Knicks vs Celtics: Season opener!

[Guano]

There is not enough.

Homers are Homing....

So there must be balance....

Funny thing is the hardcore "homers" rarely show up after sht like that last game. But they'll show up when it's sunshine and act like the critical fans aren't around during all of it. Not that im complaing its nice to have a break from em. The one positive to horrible outtings.

I actually think that it’s odd frequenting spaces that you hate. It’s a curious obsession, like a vegan at a steakhouse. Fan boards like this function to accommodate fans that root for team success. A few folks apparently like going to concerts to boo from the stands. The negativity is nothing but attention seeking behavior. It’s obvious because they post the most, which is once again very odd. The better the team gets, the louder the trolls squawk. It’s just something that takes getting used to.

It's bizarre that people think anyone here hates the team. It shows a real lack of nuisance when people think a different opinion means they don't share the same common desire for the team to succeed. But hey that's not just a problem here it infects everywhere. If it's not my way it's a problem.

[Deeeez Knicks]

its good to have both sides

Knicks usually end up disappointing us all but some success the last few years. Brunson is a legit franchise star. Things are def better then they have been.

The other pieces? It can go either way. I respect that they took a shot though. It will all come down to the playoffs and there are so many variables yet to be determined.

[god shammgod]

They’re crippled for years to come. They’ll try to recoup some of that draft capital by trading us Towns. Hopefully we don’t bite on it

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2235454&p=102480349&hilit=towns#p102480349

he's mostly upset because in his heart he knows we're right. sad.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

If it's not my way it's a problem.

This is how I live, glad to see you understand.

[RHODEY]

its evident were missing iHart more than anything else.

Yes

Can Huk duplicate what he did for us ?

Probably not the playmaking but the defensive presence and inside scoring...I think so .

[mpharris36]

They’re crippled for years to come. They’ll try to recoup some of that draft capital by trading us Towns. Hopefully we don’t bite on it

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2235454&p=102480349&hilit=towns#p102480349

he's mostly upset because in his heart he knows we're right. sad.

to be fair on that point I don't think anyone wanted to trade a bunch of draft capital for KAT. We gave up an extremely polarizing player in Randle who is talented...but even more flawed and less versatile than Towns. I'm really not sweating over a heavily protected lottery pick. Donte losing was not ideal but you also have to bridge gap to close a deal with the Randle non extension looming.

I think like you have said and I agree with the Mikal deal is far more "risky" to our future. Swapping Randle/DD for KAT I don't think will sink us and it has the potential fit to help up.

Mikal we obviously committed our significant tradable draft capital for (we can argue how valuable our draft capital was - I don't think its anywhere near to get a Giannis level player) but I'm sure there are other good players we could have acquired. There are obviously more skilled players we probably could have went after but I believe the org felt fit, two-way ability, and makeup was more valuable then simply #'s on the box score.

We will see if that was the right call.

[Iron Mantis]

There is not enough.

Homers are Homing....

So there must be balance....

Funny thing is the hardcore "homers" rarely show up after sht like that last game. But they'll show up when it's sunshine and act like the critical fans aren't around during all of it. Not that im complaing its nice to have a break from em. The one positive to horrible outtings.

I actually think that it’s odd frequenting spaces that you hate. It’s a curious obsession, like a vegan at a steakhouse. Fan boards like this function to accommodate fans that root for team success. A few folks apparently like going to concerts to boo from the stands. The negativity is nothing but attention seeking behavior. It’s obvious because they post the most, which is once again very odd. The better the team gets, the louder the trolls squawk. It’s just something that takes getting used to.

Additionally, for some, it's more about an individual player than the team.

If something goes awry with their favorite player then they become miserable.

And if they can't be happy then no one can be happy.

[god shammgod]

They’re crippled for years to come. They’ll try to recoup some of that draft capital by trading us Towns. Hopefully we don’t bite on it

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2235454&p=102480349&hilit=towns#p102480349

he's mostly upset because in his heart he knows we're right. sad.

to be fair on that point I don't think anyone wanted to trade a bunch of draft capital for KAT. We gave up an extremely polarizing player in Randle who is talented...but even more flawed and less versatile than Towns. I'm really not sweating over a heavily protected lottery pick. Donte losing was not ideal but you also have to bridge gap to close a deal with the Randle non extension looming.

I think like you have said and I agree with the Mikal deal is far more "risky" to our future. Swapping Randle/DD for KAT I don't think will sink us and it has the potential fit to help up.

Mikal we obviously committed our significant tradable draft capital for (we can argue how valuable our draft capital was - I don't think its anywhere near to get a Giannis level player) but I'm sure there are other good players we could have acquired. There are obviously more skilled players we probably could have went after but I believe the org felt fit, two-way ability, and makeup was more valuable then simply #'s on the box score.

We will see if that was the right call.

my point is, a large percentage of the board was against trading for kat at all. they didn't like him. but somehow now that some of us haven't done a complete 180 we're not being fans ? c'mon. yeah, melo is upset about randle. but if you had traded him as part of a package for an embiid or a giannis or someone of that ilk, he wouldn't complain about it. it's not just sour grapes, he thinks it wasn't a good move. most of you agreed until we did it.

and yes mikal is more risky no doubt because of the cost. but he's also easier to trade if you have to. although we'll never get everything back that we gave up. kat fundamentally changes how the team plays and i'm not sure we're any better now after both of these moves than we were last year.

[stuporman]

There is not enough.

Homers are Homing....

So there must be balance....

Funny thing is the hardcore "homers" rarely show up after sht like that last game. But they'll show up when it's sunshine and act like the critical fans aren't around during all of it. Not that im complaing its nice to have a break from em. The one positive to horrible outtings.

I actually think that it’s odd frequenting spaces that you hate. It’s a curious obsession, like a vegan at a steakhouse. Fan boards like this function to accommodate fans that root for team success. A few folks apparently like going to concerts to boo from the stands. The negativity is nothing but attention seeking behavior. It’s obvious because they post the most, which is once again very odd. The better the team gets, the louder the trolls squawk. It’s just something that takes getting used to.

You are underestimating the addiction of rage, hate and self righteousness people have to the effects that happen in the brain. It doesn't come from the reasoning part of it but sure there is some back filling an argument to explain it. It's a part of brain getting flooded with endorphins even if it means purposefully creating the stressful conditions to produce it.

Social media and forums flourish with this dynamic but it isn't a new phenomenon, it is the bedrock motivational tactic used by ethnic, political, religious and even the most primitive tribal cultures to create an us vs them mentality to alienate or bond. I'm sure there are some on this forum who will scoff at this idea, but if you do, ask yourself...are you team villain or team homer?

[stuporman]

Funny thing is the hardcore "homers" rarely show up after sht like that last game. But they'll show up when it's sunshine and act like the critical fans aren't around during all of it. Not that im complaing its nice to have a break from em. The one positive to horrible outtings.

I actually think that it’s odd frequenting spaces that you hate. It’s a curious obsession, like a vegan at a steakhouse. Fan boards like this function to accommodate fans that root for team success. A few folks apparently like going to concerts to boo from the stands. The negativity is nothing but attention seeking behavior. It’s obvious because they post the most, which is once again very odd. The better the team gets, the louder the trolls squawk. It’s just something that takes getting used to.

It's bizarre that people think anyone here hates the team. It shows a real lack of nuisance when people think a different opinion means they don't share the same common desire for the team to succeed. But hey that's not just a problem here it infects everywhere. If it's not my way it's a problem.

Or the presence of nuisance...

[Iron Mantis]

Where is the game thread?

[stuporman]

its good to have both sides

Knicks usually end up disappointing us all but some success the last few years. Brunson is a legit franchise star. Things are def better then they have been.

The other pieces? It can go either way. I respect that they took a shot though. It will all come down to the playoffs and there are so many variables yet to be determined.

There are fine people on both sides....no wait, there are only terrible people on both sides, yea, that's it.

[Guano]

They’re crippled for years to come. They’ll try to recoup some of that draft capital by trading us Towns. Hopefully we don’t bite on it

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2235454&p=102480349&hilit=towns#p102480349

he's mostly upset because in his heart he knows we're right. sad.

While this validates your point i hate receipts cause I say contradictory sht all the time and I don't want to be held accountable here like I am at home. I come here to escape that burden.

[3toheadmelo]

Yep. When the season goes to hell they’re nowhere to be found. Then they pop up at the beginning of the season to tell us we’re not real fans lol

Now Sham don’t do this, you know that same crowd can say you were MIA when the Knicks started to play better last year and only post when the Knicks are playing bad to say told you so.

It’s two sides of the coin and neither side of it is good

Sham is always here like he’s serving time in this place lol. Plus nobody was really negative last year. Well except for needles.

January was prob the most peaceful on this board in recent times. Trading our most toxic player for OG and then winning all the time was just so fun to watch. It’s too bad we won’t witness that team again.

[god shammgod]

They’re crippled for years to come. They’ll try to recoup some of that draft capital by trading us Towns. Hopefully we don’t bite on it

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2235454&p=102480349&hilit=towns#p102480349

he's mostly upset because in his heart he knows we're right. sad.

While this validates your point i hate receipts cause I say contradictory sht all the time and I don't want to be held accountable here like I am at home. I come here to escape that burden.

it wouldn't hurt you anyway because you don't lie to yourself like you're above what goes on here

[3toheadmelo]

They’re crippled for years to come. They’ll try to recoup some of that draft capital by trading us Towns. Hopefully we don’t bite on it

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2235454&p=102480349&hilit=towns#p102480349

he's mostly upset because in his heart he knows we're right. sad.

Yikes!

[Guano]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2235454&p=102480349&hilit=towns#p102480349

he's mostly upset because in his heart he knows we're right. sad.

While this validates your point i hate receipts cause I say contradictory sht all the time and I don't want to be held accountable here like I am at home. I come here to escape that burden.

it wouldn't hurt you anyway because you don't lie to yourself like you're above what goes on here

its sports. while we invest a lot of time and the consequences of the team affect me more than I care to admit i don't have any self worth tied into my fandom. being right or wrong on a public forum does nothing for me. i'm here for the vibes(I'm never beating the hippy allegations).

I guess that isn't fully true i enjoy reading opinions from some of you who know more about the game than I do cause I am too lazy to research and to flip melo sht cause i hate the kids

[Gravy]

The team lost IHart, Mitch and Precious. We absolutely need KAT now regardless of if we wanted him before or not. Its either him or 40 minutes of Sims at center next to a bipolar Randle lol

[jvsimonetti0514]

I noticed in preseason that the Celtics were shooting like 50+ 3’s a night. Which was more than they did last season. Hate to say it but it’s end game of the 3 point revolution. The game is gonna be a 3 point contest from now on and we need to get on board. The 30 we shot last night isn’t going to cut it going forward.

it doesn't have to necessarily become a shoot out though. we can counter with rebounding into transition buckets and not settling early to keep scoring momentum going

You’re not wrong. I’m just worried that if they keep up this high volume that there won’t be another way to create enough extra possessions to combat it. They’re playing Washington tonight, very interested how many they’ll shoot tonight.

[Capn'O]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2235454&p=102480349&hilit=towns#p102480349

he's mostly upset because in his heart he knows we're right. sad.

to be fair on that point I don't think anyone wanted to trade a bunch of draft capital for KAT. We gave up an extremely polarizing player in Randle who is talented...but even more flawed and less versatile than Towns. I'm really not sweating over a heavily protected lottery pick. Donte losing was not ideal but you also have to bridge gap to close a deal with the Randle non extension looming.

I think like you have said and I agree with the Mikal deal is far more "risky" to our future. Swapping Randle/DD for KAT I don't think will sink us and it has the potential fit to help up.

Mikal we obviously committed our significant tradable draft capital for (we can argue how valuable our draft capital was - I don't think its anywhere near to get a Giannis level player) but I'm sure there are other good players we could have acquired. There are obviously more skilled players we probably could have went after but I believe the org felt fit, two-way ability, and makeup was more valuable then simply #'s on the box score.

We will see if that was the right call.

my point is, a large percentage of the board was against trading for kat at all. they didn't like him. but somehow now that some of us haven't done a complete 180 we're not being fans ? c'mon. yeah, melo is upset about randle. but if you had traded him as part of a package for an embiid or a giannis or someone of that ilk, he wouldn't complain about it. it's not just sour grapes, he thinks it wasn't a good move. most of you agreed until we did it.

and yes mikal is more risky no doubt because of the cost. but he's also easier to trade if you have to. although we'll never get everything back that we gave up. kat fundamentally changes how the team plays and i'm not sure we're any better now after both of these moves than we were last year.

I've been on the fence with Towns for a minute. I did trade for him in BAF but I'm of the mind that he should be a 4 with rim protection around him.

Yuge longtime supporter of Mikal. Yuge. I wanted us to get him in the draft 2nd (SGA first - I had a good year in 2018 - not so great since) and then later hoped we could piggyback on the Durant trade to the Suns with draft capital to get him. Even as a longtime fan, first time caller, the price we got him for was still pretty steep.

I think we're not better now, but we could be better by season's end. Really depends on whether Thibs can implement a defense that incorporates the new personnel. Our offense should be excellent in short order.