Fake Trade Thread #6

[JustBuzzin]

I'm a simple man. Hope the Warriors are terrible. Steph demands out and has Charlotte on his list of teams.

Give them Bridges/Mark and a bunch of picks.


Let's go win the championship with Curry/Melo/Miller.

[Bassman]

I'm a simple man. Hope the Warriors are terrible. Steph demands out and has Charlotte on his list of teams.

Give them Bridges/Mark and a bunch of picks.


Let's go win the championship with Curry/Melo/Miller.

I hope you meant to put a sarcasm label next to this…!

[JustBuzzin]

I'm a simple man. Hope the Warriors are terrible. Steph demands out and has Charlotte on his list of teams.

Give them Bridges/Mark and a bunch of picks.


Let's go win the championship with Curry/Melo/Miller.

I hope you meant to put a sarcasm label next to this…!

I thought is was obvious?

Pipedream Buzzin!

[MasterIchiro]

How about Green + Grant + Micic for Ingram? Add either Mavs 1st or Heat 1st?

LaMelo - Mann
Miller - NSJ
Ingram - Martin
Miles - Salaun
Mark - NicRic

[JMAC3]

How about Green + Grant + Micic for Ingram? Add either Mavs 1st or Heat 1st?

LaMelo - Mann
Miller - NSJ
Ingram - Martin
Miles - Salaun
Mark - NicRic

Don't see the point in trading away two of our better defenders for a guy that is expected to ask for the MAX immediately and been known to pout along with not playing defense.

[HornetJail]

How about Green + Grant + Micic for Ingram? Add either Mavs 1st or Heat 1st?

LaMelo - Mann
Miller - NSJ
Ingram - Martin
Miles - Salaun
Mark - NicRic

nah, if we want to sign him and he wants to be here, clear the cap space and don't give up any asset for him next summer.

he is then also capped by how much we can actually offer him, instead of having us over a barrel.

I'm totally fine missing out on him though.

[MasterIchiro]

How about Green + Grant + Micic for Ingram? Add either Mavs 1st or Heat 1st?

LaMelo - Mann
Miller - NSJ
Ingram - Martin
Miles - Salaun
Mark - NicRic

Don't see the point in trading away two of our better defenders for a guy that is expected to ask for the MAX immediately and been known to pout along with not playing defense.

What was the point of the Knicks trading useful rotation players plus a 1st, similar price here, for KAT?

Like Ingram, KAT is a poor defender, plays video games all day long. He also makes 50 million.

But KAT is a number 1 scoring option. This explains the Knicks acquisition for a comparable player at a comparable price. Knicks front office is serious. They're a serious team.

LaMelo - Ingram - Miller is tough to defend.

Grant and Green are salary filler. Their contracts probably wouldn't command 2 second round picks. No pick value whatsoever.

So this is a 1st round pick, acquired by trading Terry Rozier, for Ingram.

Would the Knicks trade Rozier for Ingram? Why not the Hornets? At least Ingram doesn't pound the ball like Terry.

[JMAC3]

How about Green + Grant + Micic for Ingram? Add either Mavs 1st or Heat 1st?

LaMelo - Mann
Miller - NSJ
Ingram - Martin
Miles - Salaun
Mark - NicRic

Don't see the point in trading away two of our better defenders for a guy that is expected to ask for the MAX immediately and been known to pout along with not playing defense.

What was the point of the Knicks trading useful rotation players plus a 1st, similar price here, for KAT?

Like Ingram, KAT is a poor defender, plays video games all day long. He also makes 50 million.

But KAT is a number 1 scoring option. This explains the Knicks acquisition for a comparable player at a comparable price. Knicks front office is serious. They're a serious team.

LaMelo - Ingram - Miller is tough to defend.

Grant and Green are salary filler. Their contracts probably wouldn't command 2 second round picks. No pick value whatsoever.

So this is a 1st round pick, acquired by trading Terry Rozier, for Ingram.

Would the Knicks trade Rozier for Ingram? Why not the Hornets? At least Ingram doesn't pound the ball like Terry.

Because the Knicks already have OG, Bridges, Robinson and Hart who are all better defenders than offensive players. They needed more scoring. Whereas we have LaMelo, Miller, Miles and Mann... who are all better offensive players than defensive players so doesn't make much sense to continue to only add offensive players at the expense of losing your better defenders.

[MasterIchiro]

And before we get into it, Ingram is a clear upgrade over Terry.

The reason a number 1 scoring option like KAT or Ingram can be had cheaply, is because of money.

But Ingram fits our budget. And we don't lose any prospect here. I think if it's in your budget to acquire a top scoring option cheaply, you have to leverage your space. We are not attracting any free agents here with that space. And Ingram is still 27.

[MasterIchiro]

Don't see the point in trading away two of our better defenders for a guy that is expected to ask for the MAX immediately and been known to pout along with not playing defense.

What was the point of the Knicks trading useful rotation players plus a 1st, similar price here, for KAT?

Like Ingram, KAT is a poor defender, plays video games all day long. He also makes 50 million.

But KAT is a number 1 scoring option. This explains the Knicks acquisition for a comparable player at a comparable price. Knicks front office is serious. They're a serious team.

LaMelo - Ingram - Miller is tough to defend.

Grant and Green are salary filler. Their contracts probably wouldn't command 2 second round picks. No pick value whatsoever.

So this is a 1st round pick, acquired by trading Terry Rozier, for Ingram.

Would the Knicks trade Rozier for Ingram? Why not the Hornets? At least Ingram doesn't pound the ball like Terry.

Because the Knicks already have OG, Bridges, Robinson and Hart who are all better defenders than offensive players. They needed more scoring. Whereas we have LaMelo, Miller, Miles and Mann... who are all better offensive players than defensive players so doesn't make much sense to continue to only add offensive players at the expense of losing your better defenders.

Our coach also prefers a traditional 5 role for protection of the paint. He wants to run up the score at the 3 point line and protect the rim.

We will be playing 4 out against playoff teams that play 5 out.

After acquiring Ingram, we could leverage 4 Hornets 1st plus the remaining 1st of Heat/Mavs to round out the roster with better defenders. That's 5 first round picks compared to Knicks who are cashed out. They emptied their cupboard. Ours would remain stocked.

And/or we can trade Miles down the line for better defenders.

We also project Salaun to defend well at the 4 in place of Miles.

[Braggins]

Be patient Ichiro. This season will be really fun to watch even if they win 30-35 games. After the 1st round pick conveys to the Spurs as two 2nds is when they need to start considering making big moves.

[JMAC3]

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Our coach also prefers a traditional 5 role for protection of the paint. He wants to run up the score at the 3 point line and protect the rim.

We will be playing 4 out against playoff teams that play 5 out.

After acquiring Ingram, we could leverage 4 Hornets 1st plus the remaining 1st of Heat/Mavs to round out the roster with better defenders. That's 5 first round picks compared to Knicks who are cashed out. They emptied their cupboard. Ours would remain stocked.

And/or we can trade Miles down the line for better defenders.

We also project Salaun to defend well at the 4 in place of Miles.

Ingram isn't a guy that shoots threes. 55% of his shot attempts are midrange (non threes and outside of 3 feet).
I just don't think it is a good fit, especially when he is going to want 40+ million a year.

The Pelicans are moving off for a reason, he is destined to be the next Lavine.

[MasterIchiro]

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Our coach also prefers a traditional 5 role for protection of the paint. He wants to run up the score at the 3 point line and protect the rim.

We will be playing 4 out against playoff teams that play 5 out.

After acquiring Ingram, we could leverage 4 Hornets 1st plus the remaining 1st of Heat/Mavs to round out the roster with better defenders. That's 5 first round picks compared to Knicks who are cashed out. They emptied their cupboard. Ours would remain stocked.

And/or we can trade Miles down the line for better defenders.

We also project Salaun to defend well at the 4 in place of Miles.

Ingram isn't a guy that shoots threes. 55% of his shot attempts are midrange (non threes and outside of 3 feet).
I just don't think it is a good fit, especially when he is going to want 40+ million a year.

The Pelicans are moving off for a reason, he is destined to be the next Lavine.

Ingram is an accomplished scorer in isolation. Every team needs those. To turn Terry into Ingram is a huge win. Terry plays iso but isn't talented enough to justify it. The Pelicans also have been poorly spaced building around Zion.

The Pelicans can't afford Ingram They opted for Tre Murphy III at lower cost and for more spacing for Zion. They also selected Jordan Hawkins for their spacing issues. Ingram had less value on that roster.

He has a ton of value here because he makes our offense top 10.

[MasterIchiro]

Be patient Ichiro. This season will be really fun to watch even if they win 30-35 games. After the 1st round pick conveys to the Spurs as two 2nds is when they need to start considering making big moves.

I wouldn't do this deal if we don't look legitimate at the deadline. If we're holding/fighting for seed 6, well then add that #1 scorer from Kinston, NC.

We aren't doing anything with Josh Green and Grant Williams. That's why Dallas (a very serious front office and defending WC champions) dumped them as filler. And Micic? Don't get me started on him.

I have zero interest in paying those 3 big dollars collectively next season because they don't move the needle. If we can turn them plus cap under the tax into a legit scoring threat, the offense could thrive. We'd see shootouts, but those are fun. If Mark can lock down the paint, we'd win more of those than lose them. Like the Pacers.

[JMAC3]

Ingram is an accomplished scorer in isolation. Every team needs those. To turn Terry into Ingram is a huge win. Terry plays iso but isn't talented enough to justify it. The Pelicans also have been poorly spaced building around Zion.

The Pelicans can't afford Ingram They opted for Tre Murphy III at lower cost and for more spacing for Zion. They also selected Jordan Hawkins for their spacing issues. Ingram had less value on that roster.

He has a ton of value here because he makes our offense top 10.

Terry has nothing to do with Ingram at this point. What matters is

1. Does Ingram fit with out other stars?
2. Is he worth the money he will ask for? Reportedly the Max, which is like 4/207.

The Pelicans can't afford Ingram because they would rather pay other guys, yes. Not a great sign lol. Part of the reason they have spacing issues is because Ingram refuses to take threes and instead shoots contested midrange shots.

Like yes in a vacuum he is talented, but blowing 50 million in cap space is a lot more nuanced than is he a good basketball player.

Also, for the people who are in freakout mode over injuries. Ingram misses 20-30 games every single year.

[Rich4114]

It's a big hell nah to Ingram. Any trade we make needs to be for an impact front-court player or backup PG.

[fatlever]

use a combo of mavs 1st, 2nds, micic or nsj to find an upgrade at backup pg

[LofJ]

It seems like it's every damn year we're weak at backup point guard and center. Even when we go into the season thinking we're solid at those spots something usually happens to screw it up.

[Rich4114]

use a combo of mavs 1st, 2nds, micic or nsj to find an upgrade at backup pg

This is the route I'd try. At this rate, NSJ will never fit into major rotational mins without injuries anyway.

[MasterIchiro]

We have a swath of cap occupied by neutral/negative assets.

On the one hand, it will translate to losses, but on the other, we have matching salary to bundle with a full cupboard of draft capital (5-6 first round picks) for a big time positive asset we could target this deadline or next.

In order of cap hit with highest first:

Grant Williams - 13
Josh Green - 12.6
Cody Martin - 8.1
Vasilije Micic - 7.7
Nick Richards - 5

Total non-core cap = 46.5 million

Not this trade deadline but next, we could see a total transformation of the roster that ignites a new phase of this team's pathway to contender status.