Barkley, Giannis, Karl Malone, KG, Dirk who's highest on your all time list?

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Didn’t realize Giannis was this underrated.

What’s an accomplishment that any of the other guys have done that Giannis hasn’t also done?

[dhsilv2]

Didn’t realize Giannis was this underrated.

What’s an accomplishment that any of the other guys have done that Giannis hasn’t also done?

They're all MVP's who took teams to the finals. I can't imagine anyone's ranking players on accomplishments at this level.

[DimesandKnicks]

He was an elite rebounder and one of the fastest decision makers ever. He had a season or two where his total time of possession per game was under a minute. That takes absolutely elite decision making and off ball play to do. Mind you I might have him last among this group...but he certainly belongs here and could be argued to be higher.

He was in no way shape or form an elite rebounder. Sure he averaged more in the playoffs but he was also playing over 40 minutes to be a double digit rebounder. It also helps that he wasn’t depended on to defend the rim or defender the other teams front court offensive threat which also should have made him a better rebounder. But he was not

Dirk was at his peak a top 10 defensive rebounder in the league. Suppose if elite is top 2 or something he wasn't. But given the era and his competition, I"d consider a guy peaking at 5th in defensive rebounding to be elite. He wasn't a strong offensive rebounder and that sometimes leads people to think he wasn't as good a rebounder. But that had everything to do with this role on offense.

I'll add in he's 6th all time in defensive rebounds. Obviously, that stat wasn't measured for wilt and russell's era. But none the less, he stands out there.

I'll add I forgot to mention his incredible turnover percentages. Dude just never turned it over.

You think being top 10 at one half of rebounding two times in a career that spans two decades makes someone an elite rebounder?

[JJ_PR]

Dirk
Malone
Giannis
KG
Barkley

[dhsilv2]

He was in no way shape or form an elite rebounder. Sure he averaged more in the playoffs but he was also playing over 40 minutes to be a double digit rebounder. It also helps that he wasn’t depended on to defend the rim or defender the other teams front court offensive threat which also should have made him a better rebounder. But he was not

Dirk was at his peak a top 10 defensive rebounder in the league. Suppose if elite is top 2 or something he wasn't. But given the era and his competition, I"d consider a guy peaking at 5th in defensive rebounding to be elite. He wasn't a strong offensive rebounder and that sometimes leads people to think he wasn't as good a rebounder. But that had everything to do with this role on offense.

I'll add in he's 6th all time in defensive rebounds. Obviously, that stat wasn't measured for wilt and russell's era. But none the less, he stands out there.

I'll add I forgot to mention his incredible turnover percentages. Dude just never turned it over.

You think being top 10 at one half of rebounding two times in a career that spans two decades makes someone an elite rebounder?

The half of rebounding that actually matters? And where the majority of rebounds are made. Again the guy is 6th all time in defensive rebounding.

Here are his totals

2001- 635 6th
2002 - 635 4th
2003 - 710 4th
2004 - 580 9th
2005 - 661 3rd
2006 - 613 6th
2007 - 571 8th
2008 - 564 10th
2009 - 593 5th
2010 - 540 13th

I don't know what you want to call a guy an elite rebounder

Hell he's 26th in NBA history in rebounds in the regular season and 25th in the playoffs and that includes guys from the 50's 60's and 70's when pace was idiotic and field goal percentages were near 40% with infinitely more boards available. For context the next guy ahead of him with about 100 more boards is Patrick Ewing (and obviously Dirk played more of his career in a slower pace).

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Didn’t realize Giannis was this underrated.

What’s an accomplishment that any of the other guys have done that Giannis hasn’t also done?

They're all MVP's who took teams to the finals. I can't imagine anyone's ranking players on accomplishments at this level.

Only one of them is a multiple time regular season MVP, finals MVP, and defensive player of the year.

[dhsilv2]

Didn’t realize Giannis was this underrated.

What’s an accomplishment that any of the other guys have done that Giannis hasn’t also done?

They're all MVP's who took teams to the finals. I can't imagine anyone's ranking players on accomplishments at this level.

Only one of them is a multiple time regular season MVP, finals MVP, and defensive player of the year.

As I said at this level, looking at that stuff is just silly. If someone added Chris Webber..ok we can just dismiss him on lack of an MVP or something sure.

[Packbuckman]

Giannis
Dirk
Barkley
KG
Malone
Except for Giannis first couple of years when he was young his dominant play over the last 8 years what separates him from the rest for me.
Best two way player out of all of them KG just wasn’t as dominant as an offensive player as Giannis for this long. Dirk and the others were never was as good on defense as Giannis

[LakerLegend]

Dirk does not belong in this conversation.

[DimesandKnicks]

Dirk was at his peak a top 10 defensive rebounder in the league. Suppose if elite is top 2 or something he wasn't. But given the era and his competition, I"d consider a guy peaking at 5th in defensive rebounding to be elite. He wasn't a strong offensive rebounder and that sometimes leads people to think he wasn't as good a rebounder. But that had everything to do with this role on offense.

I'll add in he's 6th all time in defensive rebounds. Obviously, that stat wasn't measured for wilt and russell's era. But none the less, he stands out there.

I'll add I forgot to mention his incredible turnover percentages. Dude just never turned it over.

You think being top 10 at one half of rebounding two times in a career that spans two decades makes someone an elite rebounder?

The half of rebounding that actually matters? And where the majority of rebounds are made. Again the guy is 6th all time in defensive rebounding.

Here are his totals

2001- 635 6th
2002 - 635 4th
2003 - 710 4th
2004 - 580 9th
2005 - 661 3rd
2006 - 613 6th
2007 - 571 8th
2008 - 564 10th
2009 - 593 5th
2010 - 540 13th

I don't know what you want to call a guy an elite rebounder

Hell he's 26th in NBA history in rebounds in the regular season and 25th in the playoffs and that includes guys from the 50's 60's and 70's when pace was idiotic and field goal percentages were near 40% with infinitely more boards available. For context the next guy ahead of him with about 100 more boards is Patrick Ewing (and obviously Dirk played more of his career in a slower pace).

Every other play in consideration is literally a better defensive and offensive rebounder

[dhsilv2]

You think being top 10 at one half of rebounding two times in a career that spans two decades makes someone an elite rebounder?

The half of rebounding that actually matters? And where the majority of rebounds are made. Again the guy is 6th all time in defensive rebounding.

Here are his totals

2001- 635 6th
2002 - 635 4th
2003 - 710 4th
2004 - 580 9th
2005 - 661 3rd
2006 - 613 6th
2007 - 571 8th
2008 - 564 10th
2009 - 593 5th
2010 - 540 13th

I don't know what you want to call a guy an elite rebounder

Hell he's 26th in NBA history in rebounds in the regular season and 25th in the playoffs and that includes guys from the 50's 60's and 70's when pace was idiotic and field goal percentages were near 40% with infinitely more boards available. For context the next guy ahead of him with about 100 more boards is Patrick Ewing (and obviously Dirk played more of his career in a slower pace).

Every other play in consideration is literally a better defensive and offensive rebounder

Every player listed is among the best players to ever play the game...

[NZB2323]

I really cannot understand why this board is so obsessed with Dirk. It’s like you all have an affinity for unauthentic white players. He was great at one thing meanwhile the other options where great at multiple aspects of the game

The most efficient scorer of his era, MVP, Finals MVP, beat Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Kobe, Pau, Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Lebron, Wade, Bosh, KG, Billups, Nash, Amare, Malone, and Stockton in the playoffs.

I voted for Giannis but Dirk definitely has an argument.

[DimesandKnicks]

The half of rebounding that actually matters? And where the majority of rebounds are made. Again the guy is 6th all time in defensive rebounding.

Here are his totals

2001- 635 6th
2002 - 635 4th
2003 - 710 4th
2004 - 580 9th
2005 - 661 3rd
2006 - 613 6th
2007 - 571 8th
2008 - 564 10th
2009 - 593 5th
2010 - 540 13th

I don't know what you want to call a guy an elite rebounder

Hell he's 26th in NBA history in rebounds in the regular season and 25th in the playoffs and that includes guys from the 50's 60's and 70's when pace was idiotic and field goal percentages were near 40% with infinitely more boards available. For context the next guy ahead of him with about 100 more boards is Patrick Ewing (and obviously Dirk played more of his career in a slower pace).

Every other play in consideration is literally a better defensive and offensive rebounder

Every player listed is among the best players to ever play the game...

Best actual rebounders too, is there a adjective you use that’s greater than elite?

[NZB2323]

Every other play in consideration is literally a better defensive and offensive rebounder

Every player listed is among the best players to ever play the game...

Best actual rebounders too, is there a adjective you use that’s greater than elite?

If you want to say that Dirk is not an elite rebounder, then we can also say that Karl Malone and Kevin Garnett are not elite scorers.

[dhsilv2]

Every other play in consideration is literally a better defensive and offensive rebounder

Every player listed is among the best players to ever play the game...

Best actual rebounders too, is there a adjective you use that’s greater than elite?

I mean this is 5 guys, all big guys, who were on the play comp board's top 25 all time. I mean we can rank these guys and I might agree that Dirk comes in last among these 5. But...they're all clear elite rebounders. Which was really my point in that Dirk wasn't great at just one thing.

If you want to say Dirk isn't in the conversation for GOAT defensive rebounder, agree.

[mastermixer]

Hard to rank Giannis cuz he still has an active career

But I would go

Chuck
Malone
Dirk
Gianni’s
KG

[chicago paxsons]

Garnett
Giannis (assuming he still plays at the level he does for a few more seasons so he has similar longevity to the others)
Nowitzki
Barkley
Malone

[DimesandKnicks]

Every player listed is among the best players to ever play the game...

Best actual rebounders too, is there a adjective you use that’s greater than elite?

I mean this is 5 guys, all big guys, who were on the play comp board's top 25 all time. I mean we can rank these guys and I might agree that Dirk comes in last among these 5. But...they're all clear elite rebounders. Which was really my point in that Dirk wasn't great at just one thing.

If you want to say Dirk isn't in the conversation for GOAT defensive rebounder, agree.

Him being an elite defensive rebounder isn't a differentiating aspect of his game when the other players that many poster here claim he is better then are better defensive and offensive rebounders.

[DimesandKnicks]

Every player listed is among the best players to ever play the game...

Best actual rebounders too, is there a adjective you use that’s greater than elite?

If you want to say that Dirk is not an elite rebounder, then we can also say that Karl Malone and Kevin Garnett are not elite scorers.

Works for me

[dhsilv2]

Best actual rebounders too, is there a adjective you use that’s greater than elite?

I mean this is 5 guys, all big guys, who were on the play comp board's top 25 all time. I mean we can rank these guys and I might agree that Dirk comes in last among these 5. But...they're all clear elite rebounders. Which was really my point in that Dirk wasn't great at just one thing.

If you want to say Dirk isn't in the conversation for GOAT defensive rebounder, agree.

Him being an elite defensive rebounder isn't a differentiating aspect of his game when the other players that many poster here claim he is better then are better defensive and offensive rebounders.

If that was your context then I'll grant you that one.

But I'd point out again his insane economy of time with the ball and just down right insanely low turnovers. Dirk wasn't just the best offensive player here by a small amount. And I'm even with you I think in that I have dirk near the bottom of this list. But he's by far the best offensive player here and it goes beyond just shooting ability but in how he could make those fast decisions.

I thought you were getting at he wasn't elite or special among nba players in general outside of his scoring. So I took you the wrong way by including his rebounding, which is still elite.

That said...I think Dirk's a better defender than Chuck. Not that either were especially good or that the gap between them would move the needle.