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Post#181 » by Ackshun » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:03 pm

HiJiNX wrote:Last night was really bad.

-the lineups were a mess once the subs began
-Boucher, who was playing well and making shots, was absent for a lot of the middle of the game when we needed spacing
-same for Dick
-Cavs ran the same pnr all game to destroy us and we made no adjustments to stop it in terms of lineups or personnel…didn’t try zone…didn’t try hard trapping the ball handler…didn’t try going under the screens…didn’t try helpside D doubling their bigs on the catch…didn’t try a double big lineup. Nothing.
-his offensive scheme with Poeltl making decisions at the high post makes less and less sense with our best shooters and cutters injured. Also, Poeltl can’t drive from that spot, which is necessary to make that set work (adds an extra dimension)
-Barnes needs the ball closer to the basket at times. He kept getting the ball on the perimeter, forcing him to be a traditional PG out there, which he is not. He can do PG duties in transition. In the half-court he’s a forward. Use him like one.


Man that Poetl action was hard to watch. This guy is putting it on the floor and going towards the rim vs zone coverage lol. I mean I applaud the guy for trying something new and he doesn’t have a ton to work with, but damn that one was a head scratcher.
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Post#182 » by ConSarnit » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:09 pm

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HiJiNX wrote:Last night was really bad.

-the lineups were a mess once the subs began
-Boucher, who was playing well and making shots, was absent for a lot of the middle of the game when we needed spacing
-same for Dick
-Cavs ran the same pnr all game to destroy us and we made no adjustments to stop it in terms of lineups or personnel…didn’t try zone…didn’t try hard trapping the ball handler…didn’t try going under the screens…didn’t try helpside D doubling their bigs on the catch…didn’t try a double big lineup. Nothing.
-his offensive scheme with Poeltl making decisions at the high post makes less and less sense with our best shooters and cutters injured. Also, Poeltl can’t drive from that spot, which is necessary to make that set work (adds an extra dimension)
-Barnes needs the ball closer to the basket at times. He kept getting the ball on the perimeter, forcing him to be a traditional PG out there, which he is not. He can do PG duties in transition. In the half-court he’s a forward. Use him like one.


Man that Poetl action was hard to watch. This guy is putting it on the floor and going towards the rim vs zone coverage lol. I mean I applaud the guy for trying something new and he doesn’t have a ton to work with, but damn that one was a head scratcher.


Is there ever a time where that “Poeltl as a hub in the high post” is actually going to work? The guy can’t shoot and is no threat to drive. Why is any team going to respect that and play up on Poeltl? I’ve seen a lot of posters call for more Poeltl as a hub offense but I just don’t get how that works when Poeltl is zero threat to score outside of 5 feet.
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Post#183 » by TeamDisgruntled » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:18 pm

I don’t mind Darko but his substitution patterns will forever confuse me. Im aware our bench is injury riddled at the moment, so with that said why still stick to the whole “Scottie plus the bench” sub pattern in that context? You had Scottie out there with 4 non shooters, what did he think was going to happen? That was the beginning of the end.
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Post#184 » by Chandan » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:21 pm

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Ackshun wrote:
HiJiNX wrote:Last night was really bad.

-the lineups were a mess once the subs began
-Boucher, who was playing well and making shots, was absent for a lot of the middle of the game when we needed spacing
-same for Dick
-Cavs ran the same pnr all game to destroy us and we made no adjustments to stop it in terms of lineups or personnel…didn’t try zone…didn’t try hard trapping the ball handler…didn’t try going under the screens…didn’t try helpside D doubling their bigs on the catch…didn’t try a double big lineup. Nothing.
-his offensive scheme with Poeltl making decisions at the high post makes less and less sense with our best shooters and cutters injured. Also, Poeltl can’t drive from that spot, which is necessary to make that set work (adds an extra dimension)
-Barnes needs the ball closer to the basket at times. He kept getting the ball on the perimeter, forcing him to be a traditional PG out there, which he is not. He can do PG duties in transition. In the half-court he’s a forward. Use him like one.


Man that Poetl action was hard to watch. This guy is putting it on the floor and going towards the rim vs zone coverage lol. I mean I applaud the guy for trying something new and he doesn’t have a ton to work with, but damn that one was a head scratcher.


Is there ever a time where that “Poeltl as a hub in the high post” is actually going to work? The guy can’t shoot and is no threat to drive. Why is any team going to respect that and play up on Poeltl? I’ve seen a lot of posters call for more Poeltl as a hub offense but I just don’t get how that works when Poeltl is zero threat to score outside of 5 feet.


You feel the difference between an impact big men rather than just a "solid" one.

Yak is a floor raiser but whenever hes up against good big men his game just crumbles. He relies on his smarts but his smart plays are so far apart it barely makes a swing in the score. (I have the same criticism for scottie) at some point you need to have something that works when backed into a corner. He cant even just be scary rim protector when the team fails to spoon fed him bunnies.

How ironic the player everyone concieved as smart is the biggest fools gold.
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Post#185 » by Scase » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:58 pm

HiJiNX wrote:Last night was really bad.

-the lineups were a mess once the subs began
-Boucher, who was playing well and making shots, was absent for a lot of the middle of the game when we needed spacing
-same for Dick
-Cavs ran the same pnr all game to destroy us and we made no adjustments to stop it in terms of lineups or personnel…didn’t try zone…didn’t try hard trapping the ball handler…didn’t try going under the screens…didn’t try helpside D doubling their bigs on the catch…didn’t try a double big lineup. Nothing.
-his offensive scheme with Poeltl making decisions at the high post makes less and less sense with our best shooters and cutters injured. Also, Poeltl can’t drive from that spot, which is necessary to make that set work (adds an extra dimension)
-Barnes needs the ball closer to the basket at times. He kept getting the ball on the perimeter, forcing him to be a traditional PG out there, which he is not. He can do PG duties in transition. In the half-court he’s a forward. Use him like one.

The Barnes stuff is bad, but I put a decent share of the blame on Scottie himself. He had mismatches and didn't exploit them enough, there were times he had Mitchell or Garland on him, and he wasn't fighting to get deep position on them and was settling on being around the FT line or even further out past the elbow. He needs to learn to use his size better.

Jak as some sort of high post ATC is just not gonna work, he doesn't have a great passing game, his hands are average at best, and like you said he doesn't have the driving game to keep the defence honest. Maybe the problem isnt the system and it's the players, but at some point you need to adjust the system to fit the players you have as best as possible.

I'm fine with us running these schemes with the younger guys so we can mould them to fit, but Jak is pushing 30, he's not going to suddenly break out and be this high post conductor. We need a less structured system for players like Gradey/Scottie, they thrive off chaos.

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Man that Poetl action was hard to watch. This guy is putting it on the floor and going towards the rim vs zone coverage lol. I mean I applaud the guy for trying something new and he doesn’t have a ton to work with, but damn that one was a head scratcher.


Is there ever a time where that “Poeltl as a hub in the high post” is actually going to work? The guy can’t shoot and is no threat to drive. Why is any team going to respect that and play up on Poeltl? I’ve seen a lot of posters call for more Poeltl as a hub offense but I just don’t get how that works when Poeltl is zero threat to score outside of 5 feet.


You feel the difference between an impact big men rather than just a "solid" one.

Yak is a floor raiser but whenever hes up against good big men his game just crumbles. He relies on his smarts but his smart plays are so far apart it barely makes a swing in the score. (I have the same criticism for scottie) at some point you need to have something that works when backed into a corner. He cant even just be scary rim protector when the team fails to spoon fed him bunnies.

How ironic the player everyone concieved as smart is the biggest fools gold.

People see his efficiency at the rim, and think he is someone who deserves more touches, and it's quite the opposite. He should be one of the last players to touch the ball from a scoring perspective virtually any time he is on the floor. The PnR with Scottie is solid, that's about the extent of what his offensive game should be. You can't even alley oop to the guy and he's god damned 7 feet tall.
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Post#186 » by ConSarnit » Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:03 pm

Chandan wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
Ackshun wrote:
Man that Poetl action was hard to watch. This guy is putting it on the floor and going towards the rim vs zone coverage lol. I mean I applaud the guy for trying something new and he doesn’t have a ton to work with, but damn that one was a head scratcher.


Is there ever a time where that “Poeltl as a hub in the high post” is actually going to work? The guy can’t shoot and is no threat to drive. Why is any team going to respect that and play up on Poeltl? I’ve seen a lot of posters call for more Poeltl as a hub offense but I just don’t get how that works when Poeltl is zero threat to score outside of 5 feet.


You feel the difference between an impact big men rather than just a "solid" one.

Yak is a floor raiser but whenever hes up against good big men his game just crumbles. He relies on his smarts but his smart plays are so far apart it barely makes a swing in the score. (I have the same criticism for scottie) at some point you need to have something that works when backed into a corner. He cant even just be scary rim protector when the team fails to spoon fed him bunnies.

How ironic the player everyone concieved as smart is the biggest fools gold.


He's not fools gold. He's exactly what he always was. Anyone who was familiar with his game knew exactly what he was: solid defensive C, rebounder, roll man and decent passer. Somewhere in the 15th-20th best C in the league. Anyone who thought he was more doesn't know what they are talking about. His rim protection has slipped from his SAS days, which is probably the biggest disappointment when it comes to what he was expected to be when brought here.
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Post#187 » by Chandan » Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:21 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
Chandan wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
Is there ever a time where that “Poeltl as a hub in the high post” is actually going to work? The guy can’t shoot and is no threat to drive. Why is any team going to respect that and play up on Poeltl? I’ve seen a lot of posters call for more Poeltl as a hub offense but I just don’t get how that works when Poeltl is zero threat to score outside of 5 feet.


You feel the difference between an impact big men rather than just a "solid" one.

Yak is a floor raiser but whenever hes up against good big men his game just crumbles. He relies on his smarts but his smart plays are so far apart it barely makes a swing in the score. (I have the same criticism for scottie) at some point you need to have something that works when backed into a corner. He cant even just be scary rim protector when the team fails to spoon fed him bunnies.

How ironic the player everyone concieved as smart is the biggest fools gold.


He's not fools gold. He's exactly what he always was. Anyone who was familiar with his game knew exactly what he was: solid defensive C, rebounder, roll man and decent passer. Somewhere in the 15th-20th best C in the league. Anyone who thought he was more doesn't know what they are talking about. His rim protection has slipped from his SAS days, which is probably the biggest disappointment when it comes to what he was expected to be when brought here.


Hes absolutely fools gold when you considered his purpose was to save the FVV Siakam core. But all it did was bar us from a chance at the wemby sweepstakes and maybe Edey this year. :lol:
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Post#188 » by ___Rand___ » Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:56 pm

No, he's just what we need. He's a good tank commander. Yes the team could look better prepared for game 1. Yes maybe some adjustments could've been made in 2nd half to be more competitive but didn't. Yes it's better that all the kids got to play. Do we have to look so bad? I don't know.

To be honest, it is really hard to accept emotionally that we can't compete.
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Post#189 » by Potential » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:05 pm

Read on Twitter


Sounds very encouraging.... until the next game where it's another blowout L at home
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Post#190 » by ___Rand___ » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:06 pm

Man, this thread was started in pre-season? LMAO. No, I didn't participate in this till after the season started.
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Post#191 » by nikster » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:17 pm

TeamDisgruntled wrote:I don’t mind Darko but his substitution patterns will forever confuse me. Im aware our bench is injury riddled at the moment, so with that said why still stick to the whole “Scottie plus the bench” sub pattern in that context? You had Scottie out there with 4 non shooters, what did he think was going to happen? That was the beginning of the end.

If you consider Boucher a non shooter our entire bench was non shooters. Once Quickley went down Gradey was literally the only shooter on the team. How do you expect Scottie to play with one of them all Gane?
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Post#192 » by Scase » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:49 pm

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Sounds very encouraging.... until the next game where it's another blowout L at home

Blowouts are fine, blowouts with Scottie putting up a rich mans Tony Snell numbers is not. Bring on the losses, even blowouts, but guys can be individually better even with a loss. Scottie having a 20pt trip dub we likely still lose by like 10. Shead and Gradey showed some promise which is good, but Scottie has to be better. And I'm a huge Scottie defender.
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Post#193 » by disoblige » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:12 am

I am not a big Darko fan, but its a bit unfair since we were blantly tanking last year and this year.
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Post#194 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:14 am

fire darko during '26-'27 season
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Post#195 » by Ackshun » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:04 am

nikster wrote:
TeamDisgruntled wrote:I don’t mind Darko but his substitution patterns will forever confuse me. Im aware our bench is injury riddled at the moment, so with that said why still stick to the whole “Scottie plus the bench” sub pattern in that context? You had Scottie out there with 4 non shooters, what did he think was going to happen? That was the beginning of the end.

If you consider Boucher a non shooter our entire bench was non shooters. Once Quickley went down Gradey was literally the only shooter on the team. How do you expect Scottie to play with one of them all Gane?


The team is poorly built once again.

This rebuild is 2-3 years too late.
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Post#196 » by C_Money » Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:14 am

ConSarnit wrote:
Ackshun wrote:
HiJiNX wrote:Last night was really bad.

-the lineups were a mess once the subs began
-Boucher, who was playing well and making shots, was absent for a lot of the middle of the game when we needed spacing
-same for Dick
-Cavs ran the same pnr all game to destroy us and we made no adjustments to stop it in terms of lineups or personnel…didn’t try zone…didn’t try hard trapping the ball handler…didn’t try going under the screens…didn’t try helpside D doubling their bigs on the catch…didn’t try a double big lineup. Nothing.
-his offensive scheme with Poeltl making decisions at the high post makes less and less sense with our best shooters and cutters injured. Also, Poeltl can’t drive from that spot, which is necessary to make that set work (adds an extra dimension)
-Barnes needs the ball closer to the basket at times. He kept getting the ball on the perimeter, forcing him to be a traditional PG out there, which he is not. He can do PG duties in transition. In the half-court he’s a forward. Use him like one.


Man that Poetl action was hard to watch. This guy is putting it on the floor and going towards the rim vs zone coverage lol. I mean I applaud the guy for trying something new and he doesn’t have a ton to work with, but damn that one was a head scratcher.


Is there ever a time where that “Poeltl as a hub in the high post” is actually going to work? The guy can’t shoot and is no threat to drive. Why is any team going to respect that and play up on Poeltl? I’ve seen a lot of posters call for more Poeltl as a hub offense but I just don’t get how that works when Poeltl is zero threat to score outside of 5 feet.


It’s totally useless. We do this with both Poeltl and Olynyk and they end up turning the ball over half the time.
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Post#197 » by Harold_and_Kumar » Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:01 am

I dont think Poeltl and Barnes are complimentary pieces. Poeltl clogs the high post on offense, taking up spaces that Scottie has previously thrived in. I still think in the half court, having Scottie in the high post where he can drive or pass with players spacing the floor is still ideal. It makes the best use of his unique skillet.
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Post#198 » by nikster » Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:36 am

Ackshun wrote:
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TeamDisgruntled wrote:I don’t mind Darko but his substitution patterns will forever confuse me. Im aware our bench is injury riddled at the moment, so with that said why still stick to the whole “Scottie plus the bench” sub pattern in that context? You had Scottie out there with 4 non shooters, what did he think was going to happen? That was the beginning of the end.

If you consider Boucher a non shooter our entire bench was non shooters. Once Quickley went down Gradey was literally the only shooter on the team. How do you expect Scottie to play with one of them all Gane?


The team is poorly built once again.

This rebuild is 2-3 years too late.

Eh I think the Poeltl trade was the time to start the rebuild, don't think it's that late.

Either way we are like half a season and 1 off season into this rebuild and were missing half of our NBA quality players. And if the team is banking on a high draft pick this year it makes sense they didn't make any other additions. Their last 2 first round draft picks were an attempt to fix the shooting
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Post#199 » by sbsat » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:06 pm

I think this will be the last year darko coaches in the nba.
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Post#200 » by RoteSchroder » Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:59 pm

For the people pining over Nurse, you have to ask yourself if Nurse would be able to get this team playing unselfish basketball with plenty of player and ball movement. A lot of the problems this guy has with Nurse sounds familiar:

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