PG: Knicks vs Celtics: Season opener!

[god shammgod]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

[KnixinSix]

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Eye opening.

They literally used our defensive system against us.

We like robots would drop and then their guys would be wide open for 3s. Disgusting.

In this singular game we werent beat because of talent deficiency as we played to 124 pts over 100 possessions on 55% shooting offensively (would have led league last year!).

No its because of a severe system deficiency defensively.

Thibs will need to quickly learn from this.

[Chanel Bomber]

I'm just curious as to who the KAT-trade critics wanted at the 5 with iHart gone and Mitch sidelined.

Randle? Sims?

Precious, ok, but is a KAT-Precious frontcourt any worse than Randle-Precious?

And is Randle even tradable for a superstar like Giannis with a 4-year, 40 million plus contract extension, since you don't want to lose him for nothing?

We'll see how the trade pans out and I'm open to the possibility that my stance on it will be proven wrong.

But the trade that killed our flexibility was the Mikal trade.

What does any of that matter when criticizing KAT?

Can we only be critical of KAT based on what our other options were?

Cause that's giving sham a free pass for beign an Allonzo Trier fan cause the rest of the roster was trash.

Also The mikal trade being bad or worse doesn't negate criticizing KAT.

No, you can still critique his game, I think that's fair.

What I don't think is fair is attributing the change of identity to the KAT trade knowing that it was losing iHart and Mitch that had the biggest impact.

I also don't find it fair or accurate to say that the KAT trade hurt our flexibility for future trades when it's the Mikal trade that cost us all our draft picks.

And I don't think it's fair to analyze the KAT trade without recognizing the impasse the Knicks were in with Randle. Because good luck trading Randle's next contract for an upgrade without any draft capital.

[Chanel Bomber]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

[KnixinSix]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

I still believe KAT properly utilized will easily prove to be an upgrade. However properly utilized remains in question until we see what adjustments Thibs is willing to make.

KAT is not a one size fits all or just plug and play in any system. You have to utilize him in specific ways to mask some of his weaknesses and accentuate his strenghts. He is a flawed star like Randle was. However utilized properly you will get more what he looked like under Finch defensively and something like what KP did spacing things out for the Celts stars offensively.

[Guano]

I'm just curious as to who the KAT-trade critics wanted at the 5 with iHart gone and Mitch sidelined.

Randle? Sims?

Precious, ok, but is a KAT-Precious frontcourt any worse than Randle-Precious?

And is Randle even tradable for a superstar like Giannis with a 4-year, 40 million plus contract extension, since you don't want to lose him for nothing?

We'll see how the trade pans out and I'm open to the possibility that my stance on it will be proven wrong.

But the trade that killed our flexibility was the Mikal trade.

What does any of that matter when criticizing KAT?

Can we only be critical of KAT based on what our other options were?

Cause that's giving sham a free pass for beign an Allonzo Trier fan cause the rest of the roster was trash.

Also The mikal trade being bad or worse doesn't negate criticizing KAT.

No, you can still critique his game, I think that's fair.

What I don't think is fair is attributing the change of identity to the KAT trade knowing that it was losing iHart and Mitch that had the biggest impact.

I also don't find it fair or accurate to say that the KAT trade hurt our flexibility for future trades when it's the Mikal trade that cost us all our draft picks.

And I don't think it's fair to analyze the KAT trade without recognizing the impasse the Knicks were in with Randle. Because good luck trading Randle's next contract for an upgrade without any draft capital.

Whole lotta words just to say Fck Mikal

[god shammgod]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

you could always just find similar money with an extra year on it if he had no actual value in a trade.

plus there's nowhere to go. there's 2 teams in the league expected to have any kind of real cap room this summer in the nets and wizards. neither of them are investing in him in the beginning of a rebuild. he'd have to either settle or he would just pick up his option at that point and ask for a trade if he's really unhappy. and at that point we could see what our options were.

[stuporman]

Rose going after who he wants with a vengeance...

Brunson - genius!
Hartenstein - brilliant!
Hart - wow!
Divo - hey now there ya go!
Bridges - so surprising but he cooking!
KAT - wait, wtf...too far!

[Guano]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

Trading one problem for another problem.

[spree2kawhi]

I'm just curious as to who the KAT-trade critics wanted at the 5 with iHart gone and Mitch sidelined.

Randle? Sims?

Precious, ok, but is a KAT-Precious frontcourt any worse than Randle-Precious?

And is Randle even tradable for a superstar like Giannis with a 4-year, 40 million plus contract extension, since you don't want to lose him for nothing?

We'll see how the trade pans out and I'm open to the possibility that my stance on it will be proven wrong.

But the trade that killed our flexibility was the Mikal trade.

What does any of that matter when criticizing KAT?

Can we only be critical of KAT based on what our other options were?

Cause that's giving sham a free pass for beign an Allonzo Trier fan cause the rest of the roster was trash.

Also The mikal trade being bad or worse doesn't negate criticizing KAT.

No, you can still critique his game, I think that's fair.

What I don't think is fair is attributing the change of identity to the KAT trade knowing that it was losing iHart and Mitch that had the biggest impact.

I also don't find it fair or accurate to say that the KAT trade hurt our flexibility for future trades when it's the Mikal trade that cost us all our draft picks.

And I don't think it's fair to analyze the KAT trade without recognizing the impasse the Knicks were in with Randle. Because good luck trading Randle's next contract for an upgrade without any draft capital.

We‘ll be such a good team down the road. Towns looked rock-solid in this beatdown and we can still be a defensive juggernaut on any given night. The overall mood around here is just pathetic.

[spree2kawhi]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

Trading one problem for another problem.

There isn’t even a problem. We have a great team.

[Guano]

can't believe you all were comfortable settling for mikal and kat when we could have had booker and butler

[Chanel Bomber]

What does any of that matter when criticizing KAT?

Can we only be critical of KAT based on what our other options were?

Cause that's giving sham a free pass for beign an Allonzo Trier fan cause the rest of the roster was trash.

Also The mikal trade being bad or worse doesn't negate criticizing KAT.

No, you can still critique his game, I think that's fair.

What I don't think is fair is attributing the change of identity to the KAT trade knowing that it was losing iHart and Mitch that had the biggest impact.

I also don't find it fair or accurate to say that the KAT trade hurt our flexibility for future trades when it's the Mikal trade that cost us all our draft picks.

And I don't think it's fair to analyze the KAT trade without recognizing the impasse the Knicks were in with Randle. Because good luck trading Randle's next contract for an upgrade without any draft capital.

Whole lotta words just to say Fck Mikal

Your BS detector is unparalleled

[Capn'O]

I also have been on record I don't think the moves are fail proof. When making big moves like there you can potentially upset a lot of different factors. I am not the biggest KAT guy but I certainly wasn't a big Randle guy either but at least understood what he brought to the team in terms of scoring and attention.

I just don't think some are being realistic on the timeline the franchise had with the Randle contract. Once the extension deadline came and went I don't think doing nothing especially with what wasn't in the building anymore (ihart and mitch injury and overall health). Just running it back without our bigs would have made any sense either...then the uncertainty of Randle leaving could us in a terrible spot in terms of the CBA without being able to replace that production.

So I can't fault the org for making the moves.

Thats my overall 2 cents...just knowing it will take time for the team to gel but hopefully we look way better then what we did against BOS

Another thing I do like about KAT is he has historically played good defense on Jokic.

Spoiler:

[Chanel Bomber]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

Trading one problem for another problem.

A lesser problem

Randle entering his 30s on a multi-year 40+ million contract is basically Lucifer

[Capn'O]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

This board has come full circle.

Spoiler:

Fairly sure I uttered this exact phrase after the Melo trade.

[E-Balla]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

The Isiah Thomas special baby. At least the betting market and talking heads overrated us.

[Guano]

No, you can still critique his game, I think that's fair.

What I don't think is fair is attributing the change of identity to the KAT trade knowing that it was losing iHart and Mitch that had the biggest impact.

I also don't find it fair or accurate to say that the KAT trade hurt our flexibility for future trades when it's the Mikal trade that cost us all our draft picks.

And I don't think it's fair to analyze the KAT trade without recognizing the impasse the Knicks were in with Randle. Because good luck trading Randle's next contract for an upgrade without any draft capital.

Whole lotta words just to say Fck Mikal

Your BS detector is unparalleled

thank you for recognizing my talents. it's taken a lifetime of work to get here.

[E-Balla]

Jarrett Allen probably another target we probably could have gotten for Randle and picks. I think his name has been floated around by the board by a few people. That probably would have been realistic.

I get the direction that probably makes us better defensively. I do think you then have a gaping hole with your #2 option on offense. And basically asking Brunson to do all the playmaking/scoring.

Our defense hasn't played a great game since February. They been awful.

[Guano]

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

Trading one problem for another problem.

A lesser problem

Randle entering his 30s on a multi-year 40+ million contract is basically Lucifer

banking on kat playing C doesn't exactly sound like the harmony of angels singing